Roy Williams leaving Kansas for UNC

[badluck]

Whatever. Last I checked UNC was still funded by tax payers' money as well as students' tuition money. These state-funded schools disgust me for paying this kind of money for a fvcking BB coach, while cutting back on the number of TAs and laying off non BB-coaching employees. Oh well. That's about what I expect from UNC and its gutless operation. Their AD sucks nuts. He proved that he has no spine by letting the kids talk him into firing Dogherty(oh that's right.. he resigned :roll, and now he's going to throw $1.7 mil to a basketball coach whom no one else was pursuing.

Well, you are comparing apples and oranges.

1.) Donors can get the money together to pay him.
2.) Nike and Gatorade and every other sponsor will be pitching in to pay the bill as well
3.) The University might be capped as to what they can pay him. Do you know what that number is? At KU, I believe they couldn't pay him more than $130k (directly from the University)
4. That 1.7 mil number is not confirmed

I bet some of the more famous bball alums told UNC to get him at any cost. In addition, (winning) sports are what bring millions and millions of dollars to the university. If UNC bball sux, so will the rest of your sports (from lack of funds).

Quit crying now.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I'm hearing reports of a $1.7 million a year deal. That is disgusting when the school is freezing salaries and slashing budgets.

It will NEVER happen . . . Roy will be well compensated on par with other coaches at elite programs. He may command a total staff payroll on the order of $1.7M considering the assistants are reportedly Phil Ford (great recruiter/teacher . . . formerly expert drinker), Steve Robinson (diito for Phil except the drinking plus he's a former ACC head coach would should have a little pipeline leftover from his FSU days), and a holdover from KU.

UNC is one of the few institutions that usually makes money on college athletics despite an expansive program in Olympic (non-revenue) sports. But money aside UNC will never be coached by a Gene Keady or Bobbby Knight clone. Doherty might be a great coach one day but he owed his positions at ND and UNC to his Carolina/Kansas connections. He then decided Carolina basketball needed a makeover in his image. Roy's teams played in Rupp Arena and executed a Carolina (derivative from Kansas) offense. Now his team will play in the Dean Dome, run the same offense, his commute to his SC and NC abodes are much shorter, his only son is 2.5hrs away, and extended family for himself and his wife are a hop and a skip away as well.

Roy came home . . . so stop all the playa hating . . .

 

[UNCjigga]

News conference on now

*OFFICIAL* AND *CONFIRMED* can be added to thread title!

 

[UNCjigga]

8 year contract

$260,000 base salary
+ bonus for post-season tournament play
+ bonus for ACC championship title
+ bonus for bringing the graduation rate on par with the rest of the university

 

[tm37]

OK and who thought this wasn't gonna happen as soon as the job opened up?

 

[diamondgoat53]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

I'm hearing reports of a $1.7 million a year deal. That is disgusting when the school is freezing salaries and slashing budgets.

It will NEVER happen . . . Roy will be well compensated on par with other coaches at elite programs. He may command a total staff payroll on the order of $1.7M considering the assistants are reportedly Phil Ford (great recruiter/teacher . . . formerly expert drinker), Steve Robinson (diito for Phil except the drinking plus he's a former ACC head coach would should have a little pipeline leftover from his FSU days), and a holdover from KU.

UNC is one of the few institutions that usually makes money on college athletics despite an expansive program in Olympic (non-revenue) sports. But money aside UNC will never be coached by a Gene Keady or Bobbby Knight clone. Doherty might be a great coach one day but he owed his positions at ND and UNC to his Carolina/Kansas connections. He then decided Carolina basketball needed a makeover in his image. Roy's teams played in Rupp Arena and executed a Carolina (derivative from Kansas) offense. Now his team will play in the Dean Dome, run the same offense, his commute to his SC and NC abodes are much shorter, his only son is 2.5hrs away, and extended family for himself and his wife are a hop and a skip away as well.

Roy came home . . . so stop all the playa hating . . .

why would Roy's teams play in Rupp Arena? Carolina offense? i would hazard a guess that you couldn't diagram a shuffle post or a UCLA cut to save your life. he's not running Dean's offense. and he played in Allen Fieldhouse.

 

[deftron]

Kinda sucks for KU fans (like me)

but we've always rebounded from a coaching change.

I remember when Larry Brown won the championship and went NBA.

Roy Williams stepped in and went right to work.


Hopefully, we can land another coach with like that.

Tom Izzo would be cool.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

Originally posted by: bigsmooth
Hard to say no when it's his alma mater; plus, it's the post formerly held by one of the greatest college coaches of all time.

Yeah, they're paying him a lot of money, but if he brings UNC back to its former glory that $1.7 million/year will seem like a bargain.

Whatever. Last I checked UNC was still funded by tax payers' money as well as students' tuition money. These state-funded schools disgust me for paying this kind of money for a fvcking BB coach, while cutting back on the number of TAs and laying off non BB-coaching employees. Oh well. That's about what I expect from UNC and its gutless operation. Their AD sucks nuts. He proved that he has no spine by letting the kids talk him into firing Dogherty(oh that's right.. he resigned :roll, and now he's going to throw $1.7 mil to a basketball coach whom no one else was pursuing.

Dogherty pretty much pissed everyone off as NC. He fired all the assistants ("family members") as soon as he got there so he could bring his own people over from ND. Pissed off all the office staff, etc. He allienated everyone. That being said he never had any right getting that job in the first place. Someone with a whole year of head coaching experience shouldn't get that job ever.

Also, keep laughing KU fan. There's a good chance you might end up with NC's left overs. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see dogherty go to kansas.

One more thing. I've seen a few shots at Roy for "getting the AD fired". As has been stated not many people at kansas liked bohl. Despite that fact it wasn't Roys fault. That move was made by Kansas for the sole reason of showing Roy that they'd do whatever it took to keep him. It wasn't something Roy went after. Williams is one of the truly class guys in coaching. To blame him really isn't fair.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

Originally posted by: bigsmooth
Hard to say no when it's his alma mater; plus, it's the post formerly held by one of the greatest college coaches of all time.

Yeah, they're paying him a lot of money, but if he brings UNC back to its former glory that $1.7 million/year will seem like a bargain.

Whatever. Last I checked UNC was still funded by tax payers' money as well as students' tuition money. These state-funded schools disgust me for paying this kind of money for a fvcking BB coach, while cutting back on the number of TAs and laying off non BB-coaching employees. Oh well. That's about what I expect from UNC and its gutless operation. Their AD sucks nuts. He proved that he has no spine by letting the kids talk him into firing Dogherty(oh that's right.. he resigned :roll, and now he's going to throw $1.7 mil to a basketball coach whom no one else was pursuing.

You might want to check out how a coach gets paid that much. It isn't from the school......the majority of most coaches' pay comes from shoe and TV contracts.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

why would Roy's teams play in Rupp Arena? Carolina offense? i would hazard a guess that you couldn't diagram a shuffle post or a UCLA cut to save your life. he's not running Dean's offense. and he played in Allen Fieldhouse.

Brainfart . . . Tubby Smith was our backup after Larry Brown. Now twit . . . if you saw his press conference . . . the man . . . himself . . . talked about how EVERYTHING he learned about basketball came from Smith, Guthridge, and Fogler . . . I guess they were running the Princeton offense

So unless Roy is lying and I'm blind he was running his version of Dean's offense. Shuffle post I heard of . . . but you are right I would certainly die if forced to diagram a UCLA cut . . . unless of course you mean this cut.

 

[UNCjigga]

Originally posted by: deftron
Hopefully, we can land another coach with like that.

Tom Izzo would be cool.

In the press conference he said he'd push for Holiday(?) to become the next coach. Getting the AD fired could be a sure-fire way of allowing Roy pick his replacement...

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Kinda sucks for KU fans (like me)

but we've always rebounded from a coaching change.

I remember when Larry Brown won the championship and went NBA.

Roy Williams stepped in and went right to work.


Hopefully, we can land another coach with like that.

Tom Izzo would be cool.

Kansas deserves and likely will get a great coach. It's easy to be contrite when you get everything you want . . . except David Padgett . . . but I personally believe Roy had all the same attractions the first time. IMHO, there's a certain amount of responsibility he feels in not allowing what Dean built to fall into disarray.

 

[Krugger]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

why would Roy's teams play in Rupp Arena? Carolina offense? i would hazard a guess that you couldn't diagram a shuffle post or a UCLA cut to save your life. he's not running Dean's offense. and he played in Allen Fieldhouse.

Brainfart . . . Tubby Smith was our backup after Larry Brown. Now twit . . . if you saw his press conference . . . the man . . . himself . . . talked about how EVERYTHING he learned about basketball came from Smith, Guthridge, and Fogler . . . I guess they were running the Princeton offense

So unless Roy is lying and I'm blind he was running his version of Dean's offense. Shuffle post I heard of . . . but you are right I would certainly die if forced to diagram a UCLA cut . . . unless of course you mean this cut.

who was running our offense? or was that sarcasm, i guess? im confused by your "...."s Williams actually DID try to institute some parts of it (Princeton system) preseason but said it didn't match with his personel. They did keep two plays, at least i've seen them run two this year. As for the two schools, NC and KU, they do run slightly different offenses, but i guess i could see similarities. it's hard b/c KU is so uptempo these days, they don't run much offense. NC is too i suppose, but they also rely more on one-on-one play, at least this year.
I like Coach W. he was a class act both times we played them, and i think NC has gotten themselves an awesome coach. he's down to earth and respectful, and cares about kids. other coaches i've run into are not like that. it's b/c he's a product of the UNC system i feel.
-Krugger

 

[badluck]

In the press conference he said he'd push for Holiday(?) to become the next coach. Getting the AD fired could be a sure-fire way of allowing Roy pick his replacement...

There is no chance that Joe Holladay will get the job. KU needs a guy who is a proven coach, not some guy who has been a KU assistant and a high school coach. KU has been to the final four two years in a row. You don't let that type of program fall into the hands of someone who hasn't coached before (at this level). Sure, they took a chance with Roy, but that was a different situation. The team was on probation, and I think Roy was KU's 5th choice.

Anyways, it looks like Bill Self will be the next coach at KU. I like the choice (should he accept). It will be tough for him to leave a top 20 team next year with a great trio of sophomores. He's a Big 12 guy, so I can see it happening. Actually, I could see KU introducing Self as the next head coach at KU by Thursday or Friday of this week.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: tm37
OK and who thought this wasn't gonna happen as soon as the job opened up?

Considering that it didn't happen 3 years ago, and considering what Roy said 3 years ago, and considering that there are always rumors about Roy leaving, I wasn't going to believe it until it happened.

Ryan

 

[badluck]

NBC CHANNEL 41 AND 810 WHB REPORT BILL SELF.........


Has been offered a 5 year deal to take over as the Kansas basketball coach. How exciting. They site a source from inside the Kansas Athletic department. The only hold up is the half-million dollar buy- out of Self's contract. Sounds like this could happen by Thursday. And the KU athletic department is saying that they will have a coach within days, not weeks. That could mean that they already have a coach. I think they do.