Rowing information - Joined the crew team (Rowing)

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Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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Okay, I know my initial post was lack luster and not reply-worthy, so here is an attempt to correction the injustice I served upon you all.

I joined my university's novice crew team. The women's crew team is NCAA, but due to Title 9 funding restrictions, the men's team is not. We are a simple club team. That didn't discourage me, however, since almost all men's crew teams are clubs for the same reason.

We currently have practice Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday, for a total of 4 hours per week, though we are curently transitioning into a daily practice schedule (sans Saturday). That means we will have 7 or 8 hours of training per week.

If anyone is at all interested in mixing up their current cardiovascular workouts, HIIT or LISS, try a rowing machine.

Sample workouts: (SPM = Strokes per Minute)
1) Distance Pyramid - 500/1000/1500/2000/1500/1000/500 meter intervals, with 3 minutes rest between each.
2) Circuits - Eight repetitions of 500 meters (26+ SPM, high power), 50 crunches, 50 lunges.
3) LISS - Two sets of 25 minutes rowing (20 to 24 SPM) with 9 minutes rest between.
4) HIIT - Arbitrary number of 1 minute on (26+ SPM, high power), 1 minute off (18 - 20 SPM, low power).

** We normally do LISS + Circuits or HIIT + Circuits.
** If we do a pyramid, we don't do much else. Maybe a wall sit or a few circuits.

To start rowing and to determine your baseline, set your erg to a 2000m piece and pull it as hard as you can. Maintain about 26 - 28 SPM. What is important is your average 500m split time.

Olympic athletes can pull a 2000m in just below 6 minutes, so their average split is just under 1:30/500m. My first 2k test was 1:51.8/500m. My fastest single 500m so far (without the aim to be the fastest, just the first 500m in the pyramid) was 1:37.1/500m. The world record 500m time is right around 1:18.

As for the machinery, make sure you are using a Concept 2 erg! I cannot stress this enough. Set the air damper right on Level 5. This is the generally accepted level for all training and competitions.

Regarding form, make sure you have excellent form! Try searching for "proper erg form" or "erg technique" or "erg form" on YouTube. There are some top notch training videos posted that show proper form. Just remember this: legs, back, arms, arms, back, legs. Pull in that order! Lean all the way in with the slide forward for the 'catch'. Push with your legs only until fully extended. Then continue the motion by leaning back ~15 degrees, and end the stroke by pulling horizontally with your arms. Slide back in the opposite order. Release your arms as quickly as possible. Lean forward. Slowly slide back in.

I know this post is a jumbled mess, but if people want to discuss rowing, I will clean it up and answer questions.

Original lame post:
Crew is amazing. Rowing machines (ergs) are ridiculously efficient hell machines. I burn 900 calories or more per workout.

Proper form works your quads, core, shoulders, back, and arms.

I almost threw up once due to the stress on my core.
 

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Lifer
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Yep. Have you gotten out in the water, or just done the ERG? My best friend has rowed since junior high in Canada and is a coach up in Tulsa now. She got me hooked on it a while back. I never really did anything with it, but it's a helluva workout. The ERG vs actually on the water is totally different though. There's so many things to keep in your mind that you can't do on the ERG.
 

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Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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Yea, we get out on the water every Sunday. Thankfully, I haven't mis-feathered the oar yet! Another guy on my boat did and got kicked into the water.
 

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Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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Does anyone know any good support exercises? I am doing leg presses, cycling, rows, crunches, ... I need explosive power and endurance. They seem to be opposing forces.
 

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It's tough stuff...I've done 500m on the C2 in 1:32:xx and I'm only 5'10. My other mate is 6'2 and did 1:34:xx I have to do an extra few pulls to get his dam f0cking height! I was obviously beasted at the end...

Leg presses? Ditch them and do squats mate. Why cycling?

Explosive power = Do Pulls, like Deadlifts but they are done explosively so you will use less weight then your usual weight for a DL, and more hip drive in the 2nd pull, where the bar is past your knee. Keep your BACK STRAIGHT. If your back is rounding your using too much weight or your haven't trained yourself to keep a straight back!

Koing
 

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Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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Our coach made us pull a 10000m piece this morning. I ended up pulling over 11000m so I would finish with everyone else. Afterward, we did 100 crunches and 3 x 20 push-ups.

Koing: I am trying to find another low-impact LISS/HIIT exercise to compliment rowing. I think that a stepper might be best, but I hate those. I much prefer cycling. As for squats, you are correct -- a compound exercise that focuses on legs and core is best, but I hate squats and cannot seem to get the form down. I feel like such a weenie when I can do 720 lb presses and a fraction of that on squats.
 

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Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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Koing, part deux: I know that potassium is a common recommendation to aid with cramping. (Well, and extended cardio sessions to built up lactic acid system.) Are potassium glutamate pills an appropriate substitute? Any potassium-______ pill more beneficial? I can't eat 10 bananas a day.
 

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I've done a bit of rowing recently on the C2 and love the thing, it's so much better than all the other gimmicky ones (my gym has some 'water rowers' where the chain pulls a thing that actually has water in it for some odd reason). I've been using damper 4 or 5 (but every time I sit down someone has it at 10 since they think that's the hardest or something).

Anyway thanks for the post, I might try that distance pyramid sometime and I like the 500's one too.

My technique sucks though, I use my arms too much, going to watch a few vids and try to refine it. I think the last CrossFit WOD I did with rowing had 5x 500M and I was averaging about 1:56. Not sure what SPM.
 

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Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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Yea, level 5 is the standard. Maybe you would set it to a higher resistance when training for a sprint.

At absolute 100% effort, I can pull 500m in 1:34 (new personal best set today). That is 15 seconds off the world record. The problem is, I can't get even ONE pull to 1:19.
 

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High resistance combined with high rate is a really good way to mess up your back.
When I rowed we generally used high resistance for 'power strokes'. This session consists of sets of around 20-30 strokes at max effort and 18-20spm, followed by 10 strokes rest, usually doing 3 lots of 10sets. This is a great workout to build rowing strength.

A pretty good technique video to watch is this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXnKyJdA01w

Here's some trivia for world records over various distances:

Distance, Time, /500m split, Power, Name

500m, 1:14.8, 1:14.8, 836W, Graham Benton
1000m, 2:39.6, 1:19.8, 689W, Jose Luis Sanz Ortega
2000m, 5:36.6, 1:24.2, 586W, Rob Waddell
5000m, 14:58.3, 1:29.8, 483W, Rob Waddell
 

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Lifer
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I hadn't used the C2 in a few weeks and hopped on yesterday...legs were still raw from leg day so I only did 3x 500m sets. I think I'll try using it more often for cardio work...I just wish we had one at my apartment complex's gym (it's brand new).
 

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Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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I'll post some pictures of the boathouse tomorrow. I hope I will anyway. Dallas is so much more pompous than Austin. I went to a club tonight called Lotus, and all the dudes are pricks and all the chicks are ugly. I guess that's how Dallas rolls. Hooking up the pricks with chicks, no matter how low on the totem pole they stand. There were a few truly hot girls there, but they where hounded by douches in Justin Timberlake hats and cheap cologne. All these 30k millionaires get on my nerves. They are driving 5 year old Jaguars and Audis and BMWs. The girls think they are expensive, but I know they are $15k to $20k, and they should have bought a Honda Accord instead of a BMW with 90k miles and a worn out alternator.

Good night.
 

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Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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This morning, we did 500m, 1 minute off, repeat 15 times.

The Concept 2 rowers are nice in that you can set a distance interval and a rest interval, and it automatically counts down. Once you hit 0m, the rest time automatically starts and count's down on the display. It also keeps track of how many intervals you have completed. At the end of the intervals, you can go back and review your splits for all intervals.

After that, we did a wall sit. I lasted 1:45, the last guy dropped at just over 3 minutes, and the coach stood up at 6 minutes. Granted, he didn't row. And after that, we did push-ups and crunches.

Yay, rowing!
 

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Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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Today was my second 2k test. I managed to pull 1:49.1/500m, for a total of 7:16.4. Weight adjusted, it is 6:53.

I really want to get my actual time below 7:00 as a mid-term goal, and below 6:30 as a long-term goal. Once I get below 7:00 based on endurance alone, I will need to get the weights moving for more power.
 

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Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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It is fairly official. I am going to join a local CrossFit gym within the next week.

I might start a comparable fitness journal, I will definitely take pictures, I might post them.
 

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Lifer
Jun 22, 2004
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Did a fairly intense, albeit short, workout.

10 minutes rowing - (4min@18spm, 3min@22spm, 2min@24spm, 1min@26spm)
3 minutes rest
10 minutes rowing - (4min@18spm, 3min@22spm, 2min@24spm, 1min@26spm)
3 minutes rest
10 minutes rowing - (4min@18spm, 3min@22spm, 2min@24spm, 1min@26spm)

It was so intense because we were increasing our stroke rate as we became more fatigued.

Going to my first CrossFit deal today.