Rove: Biden a 'blowhard' and 'liar'

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: dphantom

No I will not shut up. We do have a right to free speech and I will continue to exercise it regardless of your wish to shut up those with whom you disagree.

OK. You're welcome to exercise your option to remain a deluded, sycophantic Bushwhacko wingnut. You might save some money by checking Hot Deals for a special on aluminum foil beanies. :laugh:

Now, I'll ask again... exactly where are those "lies" from any of those you named that were directly responsible for killing and wounding thousands of American troops in a war based entirely on LIES?
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Since you chose to edit my post by removing pertinent information, I am going to include the entire post.

"Didn't Obama vote in favor of a 6 month withdrawal that Bush vetoed?

No I will not shut up. We do have a right to free speech and I will continue to exercise it regardless of your wish to shut up those with whom you disagree. I don't like your ideas at all yet I have never used and I hope never will use the vulgarity you do one a daily basis. No educated person need stoop so low to express themselves as you do. Your inability to articulate a position without invective, innuendo and slander are indicative of either a bigotry and hatred within you or simply a low intelligence. It matters not to me which is the case.

Have you met Harvey, he's not educated and vulgarity is a major part of his vocabulary

I will hold both parties to the same standard and will call out both dems and reps when I see the need. I did with bush on any number of occasions and will with Obama when I see the need."

The left will never do this.

And to set the record straight, I did not say those named lied about Iraq nor did Bush lie. Bush failed in ohter ways. You were the one who brought that up. But those I named have lied about their complicity in the financial situation and are not being held accountable. Biden lied about his meeting with Bush and Rove called him on it.

My point will is that it is about time anyone lying be called for what it is. Dem or rep.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
wellll...OK!!!
Let`s belief factor---
GWB ---NOT!!!!!
Biden -- most definately!!!

So the letter "D" gives people credibility while the letter "R" removes credibility.

Sounds like irrefutable logic to me

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
All one has to do is look at all the troops who have been killed for what pray tell....defending a lie perpetrated by none other than -----DRUM ROLL please----- GWB!!!!

Then why is Obama still asking our troops to die? Shouldn't he have immediately withdrawn every single one if the war was nothing but a lie? Why is Obama expecting our troops to continue to die for a lie? Why is Obama asking for more money to fight a lie?

Because it is not a lie. The war in Afghanistan and Iraq is just. But very badly mismanaged and it continues to this day. Why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan is right and we need to see it thru.

As for Rove, good for him. It's about time Biden was called a liar. Hopefully, the same will be done to Franks, Dodd, Reid and others - liars all.

Do NOT mix up the wars, Afghanistan was just because of an attack and because the Taliban refused to hand over the perpetrators, the Iraq war was completely unustified, COMPLETELY unjustified.

Rove, Cheney and GW needs to just die, they have done NOTHING positive, they left us alone in Afghanistan, the REAL battlefield and focused on something that was just made up.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
All one has to do is look at all the troops who have been killed for what pray tell....defending a lie perpetrated by none other than -----DRUM ROLL please----- GWB!!!!

Then why is Obama still asking our troops to die? Shouldn't he have immediately withdrawn every single one if the war was nothing but a lie? Why is Obama expecting our troops to continue to die for a lie? Why is Obama asking for more money to fight a lie?

Because it is not a lie. The war in Afghanistan and Iraq is just. But very badly mismanaged and it continues to this day. Why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan is right and we need to see it thru.

As for Rove, good for him. It's about time Biden was called a liar. Hopefully, the same will be done to Franks, Dodd, Reid and others - liars all.

Do NOT mix up the wars, Afghanistan was just because of an attack and because the Taliban refused to hand over the perpetrators, the Iraq war was completely unustified, COMPLETELY unjustified.

Rove, Cheney and GW needs to just die, they have done NOTHING positive, they left us alone in Afghanistan, the REAL battlefield and focused on something that was just made up.

Really? Bush Cheney and Rove need to DIE?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
wellll...OK!!!
Let`s belief factor---
GWB ---NOT!!!!!
Biden -- most definately!!!

So the letter "D" gives people credibility while the letter "R" removes credibility.

Sounds like irrefutable logic to me

No, ignorance gives YOU no credibility what so ever. Seriously, focus on school because you suck at trying to portray your ignorance as valid information.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
All one has to do is look at all the troops who have been killed for what pray tell....defending a lie perpetrated by none other than -----DRUM ROLL please----- GWB!!!!

Then why is Obama still asking our troops to die? Shouldn't he have immediately withdrawn every single one if the war was nothing but a lie? Why is Obama expecting our troops to continue to die for a lie? Why is Obama asking for more money to fight a lie?

Because it is not a lie. The war in Afghanistan and Iraq is just. But very badly mismanaged and it continues to this day. Why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan is right and we need to see it thru.

As for Rove, good for him. It's about time Biden was called a liar. Hopefully, the same will be done to Franks, Dodd, Reid and others - liars all.

Do NOT mix up the wars, Afghanistan was just because of an attack and because the Taliban refused to hand over the perpetrators, the Iraq war was completely unustified, COMPLETELY unjustified.

Rove, Cheney and GW needs to just die, they have done NOTHING positive, they left us alone in Afghanistan, the REAL battlefield and focused on something that was just made up.

Really? Bush Cheney and Rove need to DIE?

I'd prefer it if they had died long before any of them had started the Iraq war, you don't know sheit about me so you probably don't know why but both dphantom and Harvey who have participated in this thread do.

Now? Well better nate than lever as they say in Brazil.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
All one has to do is look at all the troops who have been killed for what pray tell....defending a lie perpetrated by none other than -----DRUM ROLL please----- GWB!!!!

Then why is Obama still asking our troops to die? Shouldn't he have immediately withdrawn every single one if the war was nothing but a lie? Why is Obama expecting our troops to continue to die for a lie? Why is Obama asking for more money to fight a lie?

Because it is not a lie. The war in Afghanistan and Iraq is just. But very badly mismanaged and it continues to this day. Why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan is right and we need to see it thru.

As for Rove, good for him. It's about time Biden was called a liar. Hopefully, the same will be done to Franks, Dodd, Reid and others - liars all.

Do NOT mix up the wars, Afghanistan was just because of an attack and because the Taliban refused to hand over the perpetrators, the Iraq war was completely unustified, COMPLETELY unjustified.

Rove, Cheney and GW needs to just die, they have done NOTHING positive, they left us alone in Afghanistan, the REAL battlefield and focused on something that was just made up.

You are not alone.

Bush/Rumsfeld screwed up the Iraq war and made a situation that could have and should have been stabilized in a couple years into a 7 year war. I still think it was the right thing to do but very badly executed. The result being we (USA) could not send the troops necessary to nip the comeback of the Taliban and AQ early. That is not criminal in my mind, but absolutely incompetent.

I have little hope what few additional combat troops going to Afghanistan will make much of a difference except provide some additional limited means to hold some ground not not continually give it back. What I think might make more of a difference is what happens inside Pakistan by "anti-Taliban" operators.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Really? Bush Cheney and Rove need to DIE?

What fucking good would that do us, they already fucked things up, their demise wouldn't make any difference what so ever.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
All one has to do is look at all the troops who have been killed for what pray tell....defending a lie perpetrated by none other than -----DRUM ROLL please----- GWB!!!!

Then why is Obama still asking our troops to die? Shouldn't he have immediately withdrawn every single one if the war was nothing but a lie? Why is Obama expecting our troops to continue to die for a lie? Why is Obama asking for more money to fight a lie?

Because it is not a lie. The war in Afghanistan and Iraq is just. But very badly mismanaged and it continues to this day. Why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan is right and we need to see it thru.

As for Rove, good for him. It's about time Biden was called a liar. Hopefully, the same will be done to Franks, Dodd, Reid and others - liars all.

Do NOT mix up the wars, Afghanistan was just because of an attack and because the Taliban refused to hand over the perpetrators, the Iraq war was completely unustified, COMPLETELY unjustified.

Rove, Cheney and GW needs to just die, they have done NOTHING positive, they left us alone in Afghanistan, the REAL battlefield and focused on something that was just made up.

You are not alone.

Bush/Rumsfeld screwed up the Iraq war and made a situation that could have and should have been stabilized in a couple years into a 7 year war. I still think it was the right thing to do but very badly executed. The result being we (USA) could not send the troops necessary to nip the comeback of the Taliban and AQ early. That is not criminal in my mind, but absolutely incompetent.

I have little hope what few additional combat troops going to Afghanistan will make much of a difference except provide some additional limited means to hold some ground not not continually give it back. What I think might make more of a difference is what happens inside Pakistan by "anti-Taliban" operators.

No, the Iraq war shouldn't have happened at all, there was NO legitimate reason for it which is why Powell was sweating through his shirt when he tried to sell the info in the UN hall, i know, i was there and he knew full well that he was lying. Blair was one of the perpetrators too and they should all be rotting in a jail cell for crimes against international law. Do you think Serbia is laughing their arse off when you ask them to hand over Mladic? I don't think they are, i KNOW they are, in the international diplomacy arena the US and the UK have become the joke around the neighbourhood and it's sad because it has cost us troops in Afghanistan too. (and by cost us troops i don't just mean troops that were killed because there were no air support AT ALL for a period of time but also countries retracting their support)

And thank you for your confidence and you are right, if they have no where to run... They are running out of compounds real fucking fast.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Really? Bush Cheney and Rove need to DIE?

What fucking good would that do us, they already fucked things up, their demise wouldn't make any difference what so ever.

Say that to the person who suggested it, not me dumbass.. I'm just wondering, if I wished for the death of Obama would that be allowed in this forum?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Really? Bush Cheney and Rove need to DIE?

What fucking good would that do us, they already fucked things up, their demise wouldn't make any difference what so ever.

My fault really, they need to be punished for their actions and to me, hanging sounds like something i'd recommend, or firing squad.

Preferably done by the peers of those dead in Afghanistan and Iraq because of the choices made by those three people.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
All one has to do is look at all the troops who have been killed for what pray tell....defending a lie perpetrated by none other than -----DRUM ROLL please----- GWB!!!!

Then why is Obama still asking our troops to die? Shouldn't he have immediately withdrawn every single one if the war was nothing but a lie? Why is Obama expecting our troops to continue to die for a lie? Why is Obama asking for more money to fight a lie?

Because it is not a lie. The war in Afghanistan and Iraq is just. But very badly mismanaged and it continues to this day. Why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan is right and we need to see it thru.

As for Rove, good for him. It's about time Biden was called a liar. Hopefully, the same will be done to Franks, Dodd, Reid and others - liars all.

Do NOT mix up the wars, Afghanistan was just because of an attack and because the Taliban refused to hand over the perpetrators, the Iraq war was completely unustified, COMPLETELY unjustified.

Rove, Cheney and GW needs to just die, they have done NOTHING positive, they left us alone in Afghanistan, the REAL battlefield and focused on something that was just made up.

Really? Bush Cheney and Rove need to DIE?

I'd prefer it if they had died long before any of them had started the Iraq war, you don't know sheit about me so you probably don't know why but both dphantom and Harvey who have participated in this thread do.

Now? Well better nate than lever as they say in Brazil.

I don't really give a fuck what your history is. I don't think it gives you a right to wish for the DEATH of people. At the very least you could suggest a criminal TRIAL for Bush/Cheney/etc.. but no, you are judge jury and executioner apparently.. Do the Brits let you carry a weapon? I hope those around you are safe and they don't piss you off to the point you decide THEY might need to die.

 

[palehorse]

Rove and Biden are both shmucks of the highest order...

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Really? Bush Cheney and Rove need to DIE?

What fucking good would that do us, they already fucked things up, their demise wouldn't make any difference what so ever.

My fault really, they need to be punished for their actions and to me, hanging sounds like something i'd recommend, or firing squad.

Preferably done by the peers of those dead in Afghanistan and Iraq because of the choices made by those three people.

How far down the chain do we go? Should Colon Powell be killed as well? What about other members of the Administration and other top military people? Any generals or anything you would like to see put to death? How about some British Generals and politicians as well.. would you like to mark any of them for death as well?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: palehorse
Rove and Biden are both shmucks of the highest order...

Please explain how the two are equivalent.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Really? Bush Cheney and Rove need to DIE?

What fucking good would that do us, they already fucked things up, their demise wouldn't make any difference what so ever.

Say that to the person who suggested it, not me dumbass.. I'm just wondering, if I wished for the death of Obama would that be allowed in this forum?

If he committed acts on the same scale as Milosevic, Mladic, Bush, Cheney or Rove then sure, i think it'd be welcome.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Really? Bush Cheney and Rove need to DIE?

What fucking good would that do us, they already fucked things up, their demise wouldn't make any difference what so ever.

My fault really, they need to be punished for their actions and to me, hanging sounds like something i'd recommend, or firing squad.

Preferably done by the peers of those dead in Afghanistan and Iraq because of the choices made by those three people.

How far down the chain do we go? Should Colon Powell be killed as well? What about other members of the Administration and other top military people? Any generals or anything you would like to see put to death? How about some British Generals and politicians as well.. would you like to mark any of them for death as well?

Colin Powell followed orders. (I had a deep seated respect for the man after the Balkan wars but it all went away when he tried to push known lies)

Obviously, since you're what, 12, you won't get this but the order and the perpetrators didn't come from lower ranks, it came from those three and one more, sorry, i forgot to mention Blair in the last message, i would like to see him hung too.

These people are traitors who lied to the people and to all of us in the military.

I have no sympathy for them, hang them all and hang them low.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse
Rove and Biden are both shmucks of the highest order...

Please explain how the two are equivalent.

I didn't say that they are "equivalent." They're simply both d-bags who I don't respect at all.

I voted for Obama in spite of his choice for VP, not because of...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
All one has to do is look at all the troops who have been killed for what pray tell....defending a lie perpetrated by none other than -----DRUM ROLL please----- GWB!!!!

Then why is Obama still asking our troops to die? Shouldn't he have immediately withdrawn every single one if the war was nothing but a lie? Why is Obama expecting our troops to continue to die for a lie? Why is Obama asking for more money to fight a lie?

Because it is not a lie. The war in Afghanistan and Iraq is just. But very badly mismanaged and it continues to this day. Why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan is right and we need to see it thru.

As for Rove, good for him. It's about time Biden was called a liar. Hopefully, the same will be done to Franks, Dodd, Reid and others - liars all.

Do NOT mix up the wars, Afghanistan was just because of an attack and because the Taliban refused to hand over the perpetrators, the Iraq war was completely unustified, COMPLETELY unjustified.

Rove, Cheney and GW needs to just die, they have done NOTHING positive, they left us alone in Afghanistan, the REAL battlefield and focused on something that was just made up.

Really? Bush Cheney and Rove need to DIE?

I'd prefer it if they had died long before any of them had started the Iraq war, you don't know sheit about me so you probably don't know why but both dphantom and Harvey who have participated in this thread do.

Now? Well better nate than lever as they say in Brazil.

I don't really give a fuck what your history is. I don't think it gives you a right to wish for the DEATH of people. At the very least you could suggest a criminal TRIAL for Bush/Cheney/etc.. but no, you are judge jury and executioner apparently.. Do the Brits let you carry a weapon? I hope those around you are safe and they don't piss you off to the point you decide THEY might need to die.

Why not? They caused the death of my men without any form of justice or trials.

And yes, i am a judge, jury and executionor, that is what i do for a living.

I'm a Captain in the SAS TFB and i am IN Afghanistan (sort of), they trust me with not only a gun but several and to lead troops into battle in areas and direct strikes.

Yeah, people piss me off and they are not safe, they are known as the Taliban, if you could get it into your pathetic little teenie weenie mind that you DO NOT KNOW ME, that is why i gave you a hint and if you had any kind of fucking sense in that fucking walnut you got for a brain you would have waited before you replied.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse
Rove and Biden are both shmucks of the highest order...

Please explain how the two are equivalent.

I didn't say that they are "equivalent." They're simply both d-bags who I don't respect at all.

I voted for Obama in spite of his choice for VP, not because of...

Well... between the two VP's in the election...

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The former administration should show some decorum and respect and STFU.

G. Bush has.

As far as other admin officials or Cheney as VP, I don't recall Clinton admin officials or (particularly) Gore showing any decorum or respect the past 8 years. FFS, I can't think of any former Clinton offcial who was NOT on TV bashing Bush and his admin the last years?

Your advice migh well be taken by the current admin too as regards comments about the last. Keep slammin them and of course they're gonna respond (except Bush anyway).

Biden's coment was unnecessary, to say the least. I much as I like Biden personally, it probably was another one of his 'exaggerations'. I was around in '88 when he got ran of the Presidential campaign for such nonsense.

I find all these complaints wickedly ironic. Biden says something critical about a former President (lack of respect for the office etc), yet when others respond they are criticized for not having respect? So Biden is doing exactly what those criticize Rove for doing? Hahaha, that's too funny.

Fern

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse
Rove and Biden are both shmucks of the highest order...

Please explain how the two are equivalent.

I didn't say that they are "equivalent." They're simply both d-bags who I don't respect at all.

I voted for Obama in spite of his choice for VP, not because of...

Well... between the two VP's in the election...

ya.. Palin was certainly worse... it's always sad to have to choose between varying levels of douchebaggery in our elected officials.

Luckily, voting for Obama himself was almost a no-brainer...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse
Rove and Biden are both shmucks of the highest order...

Please explain how the two are equivalent.

I didn't say that they are "equivalent." They're simply both d-bags who I don't respect at all.

I voted for Obama in spite of his choice for VP, not because of...

Well... between the two VP's in the election...

ya.. Palin was certainly worse... it's always sad to have to choose between varying levels of douchebaggery in our elected officials.

Yeah, politicians, the lot of them are like that but some of them like Obama are at least bright enough to understand basic situations while Palin wouldn't know what happened to her knickers if she put the on backwards.

I still have hope that Obama will be a good president, i just can't wait until us Brits get a chance to give Brown the boot right THROUGH the door of 10 Downing street.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: dphantom

"Didn't Obama vote in favor of a 6 month withdrawal that Bush vetoed?

When? I searched high and low for a link where he said he could or would withdraw all troops from Iraq in six months. During the Presidential campaign, he said he wanted to withdraw American troops from Iraq in sixteen months. Here's one direct quote:

Obama said that Anbar tribal leaders and the province's governor had expressed concern about a potential "precipitous drawdown" of U.S. troops.

He said this was not what he was proposing. "What I propose is a steady, deliberate drawdown over the course of 16 months and I emphasized that to them," he added.

"Over the course of 16 months" obviously means that withdrawal would start before that sixteen months elapsed. Since he took office, the added information he has as President is why extend that to eighteen months and otherwise modify his earlier position. Would you expect him NOT to adapt to an evolving situation and newer information?

Ex-Senator George McGovern wrote a book with William Polk in 2006 that called for withdrawal from Iraq within six months. Is that what you mean?

I asked for links and quotes to confirm your assertion. Got any? :roll:

And to set the record straight, I did not say those named lied about Iraq nor did Bush lie.

Well, you got one out of two right, but that's not saying much. Assuming for the sake of argument that you can dig up any lies by the others you named, by your own admission, none of them were offered as excuses for invading Iraq. None of them were the direct reason 4,271 American troops are now dead and tens of thousands more are wounded. The only ones to whom that applies are George W. Bush and his criminal gang.

Bush and his entire criminal cabal ABSOLUTLEY DID LIE about their ever changing, always bogus excuses for invading Iraq. I can repost one of my foot long macros detailing them, including names and dates. You can find them by searching my old posts. I'd rather not waste a lot of forum space by reposting them, but I can if you insist.

Bush failed in ohter ways. You were the one who brought that up. But those I named have lied about their complicity in the financial situation and are not being held accountable.

We have lots of threads about that. Maybe you should post about that where it's relevant. :laugh:

Biden lied about his meeting with Bush and Rove called him on it.

Can you prove Biden didn't meet with Bush or that he didn't say that? If not, all you have is the word of Rove, a documented liar, vs. Biden's word that he did. At worst, if it's not true, Biden's statement is a bit of inconsequential political puffery, and nobody died as a result. I don't know either way, and frankly, considering the horrific consequenses of the lies from all of the Bushwhackos, including Rove, it really doesn't matter.

My point will is that it is about time anyone lying be called for what it is. Dem or rep.

I agree. Now, unless you can back up your statement that Bush didn't lie about his excuses for starting the war in Iraq, you may want to consider calling his lies what they are.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: dphantom

"Didn't Obama vote in favor of a 6 month withdrawal that Bush vetoed?

When? I searched high and low for a link where he said he could or would withdraw all troops from Iraq in six months. During the Presidential campaign, he said he wanted to withdraw American troops from Iraq in sixteen months. Here's one direct quote:

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Link