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StormRider

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Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: jtvang125
I don't think its racist but I do find it a bit offensive.

As an asian american myself I too find that quite offensive. IMO its not racist in that she didn't intend on offending anyone, but that type of humor should still be avoided.

what kind of humor? Making fun of someone's accent? get real.

From your perspective, you don't find that offensive because you don't speak the language and the racial aspect isn't directed at you.

From my perspective, I do find it offensive because I do speak the language and the racial aspect is directed at me.

Its all about perspective.


It's just revealing your inferiority complex, that's all. When I see non-white people make fun of whites, if the joke is funny, I'll laugh. I'm not constantly living in a state of hypersensitivy about my identity. I don't have an inferiority complex.

You need to get over it, as you just sound like a wuss.


White people know nothing of racism because they've never experienced it. Thus, they should STFU when it comes to such issues that they know nothing of. Its like trying to analyse football when you've never played or watched the game.
ummm.... you don't know that.


Nice response. Can't really debate this can you?
i didn't want to get into it because his ASSumption was ridiculous.

If i have to get into to appease YOU i will say I have lived in areas that were predominantly black and i have felt the scorn of racism from those around me.
You want more details? PM me. I don't wish to get into it on this board.

If you honestly believe that you've experienced societal racism from living in a predominantly black neighborhood you're deluding yourself.

Actually I would have to disagree with you on this point. I believe that a white person growing up in a black neighborhood would have experienced societal racism. For me it's about being accepted within your peers and a white person in this situation would have been in a similar position as I was when I was growing up.
 

bennylong

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Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: Minerva
It's not racist. Grow the F up for the sake of Christ. It's called expression or being funny. Let's see pics of everyone that cracks about her weight too since you have nothing better to do. In fact most people that pick on others are doing it to draw attention away from themselves because they have an inferiority complex. :frown:

EVERYONE wants to play the race card these days. Thank God I live in a small town.

Yea living in a small town in North Carolina prob helps cause you're ALL racist :laugh:

We're glad you live in a small town too. Let's hope you never leave NC.
 

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It's not racist. Just as saying "ook atee book atee boo thank you come again" in a thick asian indian accent is not racist towards asian indians
 

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I'm white and I understand what some of the Asian people are saying here.

We are a very big majority in most of the country so its an entirely different world for us.

I'm also amused at this "entitled" bullsh**, Asians are some of the hardest working people in America. If anything its the little emo white kids that are the entitled ones.
 

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Originally posted by: glutenberg


This is about as ignorant as it gets. You're pretty much saying, "let's forget history." No one should ever offended because your baggage needs to be checked at the door. Obviously, the world hasn't learned enough from history as we have comedians like Kramer bursting racial slurs in comedy clubs with malicious intent. I guess those men should've just checked their baggage at the door and just laugh at the world's wonderful racism.

That would be better than cringing and wilting over in agony every time you hear something that offends you.

If people took the effect out of racist remarks, they'd lose their effectiveness and racism would go away. But as it is now with total pansies getting worked into a tantrum every time someone uses such a remark, it's a very useful tool for someone looking to hurt someone else.
 

purbeast0

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lol I got a chuckle out of that video.

far from racist too.

that's just like when a black comedian does his whiteman impression and talks all high of himself and all sophisticated and slowly, like the rich people from the movie Titanic (thats the only example I could think of at this moment).

some people are too freaking sensitive.
 

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
lol I got a chuckle out of that video.

far from racist too.

that's just like when a black comedian does his whiteman impression and talks all high of himself and all sophisticated and slowly, like the rich people from the movie Titanic (thats the only example I could think of at this moment).

some people are too freaking sensitive.

I think the issue here is that she did a BAD impression of a Chinese person. There are comedians who do good ones, like Russel Peters. He even tells the audience that it's a Cantonese impression. Rosie is just saying "ching chong ching chong", which to me comes off as racist. It's like doing an impression of a black person and saying "watermelon, fried chicken, bling bling".
 

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Originally posted by: Andyb23
I'm white and I understand what some of the Asian people are saying here.

We are a very big majority in most of the country so its an entirely different world for us.

I'm also amused at this "entitled" bullsh**, Asians are some of the hardest working people in America. If anything its the little emo white kids that are the entitled ones.


LOL, so you're a white guy trying to fight someone else's crusade.

I'm willing to bet that you're one of those little emo white kids that's on a mission to solve the world's injustices and take down the man.

Good luck with that, son.
 

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Ching Chong Chinaman sitting on a fence
Trying to make a dollar out of fifteen cents.
Along came a choo-choo train,
Knocked him in the cuckoo-brain,
And that was the end of the fifteen cents.

Ching Chong, Chinaman,
Sitting on a wall.
Along came a white man,
And chopped his head off.

"A major factor influencing race relations in America today, Lee said, is that people of non-European ancestry are often required to give up much if not all of their heritage, language and culture -- an essential part of their personalities -- when they arrive in America.

The antidote to racism within truly free societies is to seek inclusion of all ethnic groups and to foster respect and understanding of all peoples, Lee said. American society has a long way to go in this regard, he said, adding that he still remembers being taunted in the first grade when other children would call him "Ching Chong Chinaman."

A number of Asian Americans in the audience raised their hands when Lee asked if anyone in the room remembered similar treatment when they were children.

"The sad thing is that it is still happening today in the year 2001," Lee said. "That song, 'Ching Chong Chinaman,' is on every playground in America.

"We love this country and what it means, but there are times when we're left out," he concluded."
 

StormRider

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Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: jtvang125
I don't think its racist but I do find it a bit offensive.

As an asian american myself I too find that quite offensive. IMO its not racist in that she didn't intend on offending anyone, but that type of humor should still be avoided.

what kind of humor? Making fun of someone's accent? get real.

How did you get teased or made fun of for being gay when you were young? Have you ever seen someone trying to be funny and unintentially did something to remind you of this? This is a bad example but imagine a comedian imitating how "fags" flail their arms when being tripped. Would it be funny if this was the main tactic people used to make your life miserable when you were growing up?

You're right, that is a bad example. Robin Williams and shows like Will & Grace made a lot of people laugh "making fun of" gays and the way they talk and flail their arms.

What people are missing is the CONTEXT of the statement. Have some of you even watched the video?

MotionMan

Yes. Read my very first post. I said that I know that it was not Rosie's intent to make fun of asians and that is why I was not offended nor considered it racist. I merely stated that whenever I hear "Ching chong ching chong" it makes me cringe a little.

I don't cringe when the accent is well done or if those were real Chinese words being spoken (but possibly mangled). Mya Rudolph (in Saturday Night Light) sometimes plays a Japanese girl and I think her accent is well done (and comes across as very cute). When Amy Poeler did Yoko Ono, I thought it was hilarious. I don't cringe when I see some effort or talent being used to imitate.

But for some reason, I cringe if the imitation is really bad and use obviously fake words like "ching chong ching chong". I think most blacks won't get offended when that Saturday Night Live guy (who is white and in makeup) imitates Jesse Jackson. But if a white guy dresses up in tar black face to imitate a slave, they might get uncomfortable.
 

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Andyb23
I'm white and I understand what some of the Asian people are saying here.

We are a very big majority in most of the country so its an entirely different world for us.

I'm also amused at this "entitled" bullsh**, Asians are some of the hardest working people in America. If anything its the little emo white kids that are the entitled ones.


LOL, so you're a white guy trying to fight someone else's crusade.

I'm willing to bet that you're one of those little emo white kids that's on a mission to solve the world's injustices and take down the man.

Good luck with that, son.

Emo white kids trying to solve something? Wow wouldn't we all be better off if that was true...

Its really not a crusade its just trying to understand someone elses point of view, maybe thats a foreign concept to you.
 

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Basically what it's coming down to is that you can't make jokes at anyone else's expense if you're white. Everyone else can do it, though. It's a double standard.

1. I am not in any way responsible for injustices cause to anyone else's people before I was born. You can't blame that on me, so don't try to justify your double standard (which really isn't fair to me) saying that you're "getting me back". If you want to be racist, then fine, just don't try to say yours is justified while mine is not.

2. I do not want people to spill out their baggage on me as if I am responsible.
 

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: glutenberg


This is about as ignorant as it gets. You're pretty much saying, "let's forget history." No one should ever offended because your baggage needs to be checked at the door. Obviously, the world hasn't learned enough from history as we have comedians like Kramer bursting racial slurs in comedy clubs with malicious intent. I guess those men should've just checked their baggage at the door and just laugh at the world's wonderful racism.

That would be better than cringing and wilting over in agony every time you hear something that offends you.

If people took the effect out of racist remarks, they'd lose their effectiveness and racism would go away. But as it is now with total pansies getting worked into a tantrum every time someone uses such a remark, it's a very useful tool for someone looking to hurt someone else.

Heh, interesting point of view. Do nothing and the bad thing will just go away. Ignore the implications of racism and racism will just fade? So, as an example, those black men at the comedy club should've laughed at Kramer's remarks or hell, make it even less effective by claiming that his remarks were right on the money?

I will agree with you that Rosie's impersonation was not racist though stereotypical. Two situations that sit on the same gray line.

 

StormRider

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: glutenberg


This is about as ignorant as it gets. You're pretty much saying, "let's forget history." No one should ever offended because your baggage needs to be checked at the door. Obviously, the world hasn't learned enough from history as we have comedians like Kramer bursting racial slurs in comedy clubs with malicious intent. I guess those men should've just checked their baggage at the door and just laugh at the world's wonderful racism.

That would be better than cringing and wilting over in agony every time you hear something that offends you.

If people took the effect out of racist remarks, they'd lose their effectiveness and racism would go away. But as it is now with total pansies getting worked into a tantrum every time someone uses such a remark, it's a very useful tool for someone looking to hurt someone else.

Actually, maybe it's guys like you who should take it easy. Why does it upset you so much to know that some asians might cringe a little or feel uncomfortable when they see someone imitating Chinese by saing "Ching chong ching chong"?
 

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Originally posted by: Andyb23

Emo white kids trying to solve something? Wow wouldn't we all be better off if that was true...

Its really not a crusade its just trying to understand someone elses point of view, maybe thats a foreign concept to you.

OMG, you just used the word "foreign", meaning "strange or unfamiliar". That offends foreigners. It's as if you're saying that foreigners are strange.

Damn xenophobe.


 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Andyb23
I'm white and I understand what some of the Asian people are saying here.

We are a very big majority in most of the country so its an entirely different world for us.

I'm also amused at this "entitled" bullsh**, Asians are some of the hardest working people in America. If anything its the little emo white kids that are the entitled ones.


LOL, so you're a white guy trying to fight someone else's crusade.

I'm willing to bet that you're one of those little emo white kids that's on a mission to solve the world's injustices and take down the man.

Good luck with that, son.

I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you are belittling someone for beliefs in equality or the fact that you enjoy creating segregation right off the bat that he's fighting someone else's crusade. I'm sorry you didn't get the memo that racism is everyone's problem, not one race's or anothers'.
 

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Originally posted by: StormRider


Actually, maybe it's guys like you who should take it easy. Why does it upset you so much to know that some asians might cringe a little or feel uncomfortable when they see someone imitating Chinese by saing "Ching chong ching chong"?


It irritates me because I'm sick of everyone playing the race card CONSTANTLY and trying to justify any inferiority complexes that they might have.


Just stop crying.
 

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Originally posted by: glutenberg

I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you are belittling someone for beliefs in equality or the fact that you enjoy creating segregation right off the bat that he's fighting someone else's crusade. I'm sorry you didn't get the memo that racism is everyone's problem, not one race's or anothers'.

It's very apparent that you have deep-rooted emotional issues regarding your race. That is a problem that either a) you must deal with, or b) the world must change to accomodate your delicate feelings.

I'm betting on A.
 

StormRider

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: StormRider


Actually, maybe it's guys like you who should take it easy. Why does it upset you so much to know that some asians might cringe a little or feel uncomfortable when they see someone imitating Chinese by saing "Ching chong ching chong"?


It irritates me because I'm sick of everyone playing the race card CONSTANTLY and trying to justify any inferiority complexes that they might have.


Just stop crying.

You're the one who's crying...
 

Andyb23

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: StormRider


Actually, maybe it's guys like you who should take it easy. Why does it upset you so much to know that some asians might cringe a little or feel uncomfortable when they see someone imitating Chinese by saing "Ching chong ching chong"?


It irritates me because I'm sick of everyone playing the race card CONSTANTLY and trying to justify any inferiority complexes that they might have.


Just stop crying.

I bet if you were living in China and some Chinese celebrity mocked German or Latin or something giving European culture no respect at all, you would be the first person crying foul.
 

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Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: StormRider


Actually, maybe it's guys like you who should take it easy. Why does it upset you so much to know that some asians might cringe a little or feel uncomfortable when they see someone imitating Chinese by saing "Ching chong ching chong"?


It irritates me because I'm sick of everyone playing the race card CONSTANTLY and trying to justify any inferiority complexes that they might have.


Just stop crying.

You're the one who's crying...


Hey, I'm not the one complaining about what Rosie said. I'm just telling the sobbing little punks to shut up.

I suggest you do the same.
 

StormRider

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: StormRider


Actually, maybe it's guys like you who should take it easy. Why does it upset you so much to know that some asians might cringe a little or feel uncomfortable when they see someone imitating Chinese by saing "Ching chong ching chong"?


It irritates me because I'm sick of everyone playing the race card CONSTANTLY and trying to justify any inferiority complexes that they might have.


Just stop crying.

You're the one who's crying...


Hey, I'm not the one complaining about what Rosie said. I'm just telling the sobbing little punks to shut up.

I suggest you do the same.

But you're whining/complaining about other people complaining. Pot/Kettle/Black.

And besides... are we really complaining? Just a brief scan reveals that most here don't think it was racist. Myself included. But some just added the comment that some aspects of it made us uncomfortable.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Amused
Just a point:

Language is not inherent. How can making fun of a language be racist? Language is not a race.

If she made fun of German would that be racist? How about Russian? French?

Sorry, folks, but your language and culture are not inherent, therefore making fun of them is not "racist."

Sorry, this is wrong. Language and culture are not only inherent, they're integral. There's not a lot of multi-language cultures out there.
And practically all racism is not racism at all, but culturism.

You apparently misread my post, or misunderstand the meaning of inherent or both.

Inherent means you are born with it. You are not born with a language or culture. Both are learned. Therefore what Rosie did was biased against culture, not race.

So you kind of agreed with me.
 

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: glutenberg

I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you are belittling someone for beliefs in equality or the fact that you enjoy creating segregation right off the bat that he's fighting someone else's crusade. I'm sorry you didn't get the memo that racism is everyone's problem, not one race's or anothers'.

It's very apparent that you have deep-rooted emotional issues regarding your race. That is a problem that either a) you must deal with, or b) the world must change to accomodate your delicate feelings.

I'm betting on A.

The only person who has an inferiority complex is you. You call people emo white kids cursading other people's causes. All you do is name call without any justification outside of I'm tired of people being oversensitive. You are so threatened that people are concerned about the equality of general mankind that you have to try to belittle them to feel better. It's really quite sad and can really only be responded by the nice internet terminology of stop stroking your "massive" e-peen you tough guy you. Shame it has to resort to name calling but I guess that's all you can respond to.

I have no issues with my race because I've grown up in a extremely diverse family. I have a white stepfather (and I'm very close with him and his family). I have Brazilian cousins. My parents are immigrants. Some of my closest friends are Persians. So, why don't you check your baggage at the door as you so poetically stated and learn to understand that the world consists of point of views, not just your point of view.

You're telling me to deal with my emotional issues? What emotional issues have I shown outside of concern that there's a fine line between being too politcally correct and being careless with diversity.
 

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Originally posted by: Andyb23


I bet if you were living in China and some Chinese celebrity mocked German or Latin or something giving European culture no respect at all, you would be the first person crying foul.

????

Why the hell would I care if some Chinese celebrity mocked German culture?

I wouldn't be the first person crying foul if some Chinese celebrity mocked me directly. Hell, I'm convinced that there are fragile enough people out there that someone else would get offended that the celebrity is mocking me, long before I got offended.

In short, I'm not a pansy. I'm a man.