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Ron Paul wins MSNBC poll by a landslide
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Lifer
I don't possibly see how even the best presidential speaker in history could come up a landslide victory that big in any debate. Has to be rigged by Paul supporters clearing their caches and then voting again. It would be more believable if he broke double digits, but 89% victories in some of those categories...just doesn't seem reasonable. Granted, I didn't see the debate.
dualsmp
Golden Member
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
Doesn't matter if you saw it or not. Jesus Christ couldn't score 89% in a Republican debate. :laugh:
Note to RP supporters... if yer gonna push a poll... stop at 20sumpthin' percent to at least preserve the apprearance of legitimacy. Good lord...
dualsmp
Golden Member
With all due respect though, someone voting for Giuliani probably doesn't know how to use the internet. They are probably digging up their back yard looking for the series of interconnecting tubes. They might need a hotline to Al Gore since he knows how all those internets work and where all those tubes really go.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
Yeah... Not a RG fan here but you're not helping RP's cause by insulting 30% of the folks who might vote for him.
Once again my point is proven.... RP supporters are a rag tag group of net geeks with no tact or ability to sustain a campaign. If you don't agree with them you are an idiot. Great marketing guys!
techs
Lifer
Who had the best one liner?
Well, every news story played the Romney joke about Thompson and Law and Order. Though technically not a one liner, it should have given Romney this category.
Clearly there was either some organized effort by some Ron Paul supporter to skew the results or someone used a computer program to skew the results.
What this poll does is further convince me that Ron Paul followers are fanatical to the extreme. By this point I am no longer listening to Ron Pauls message since his fanatical followers scare the crap out of me.
Well, every news story played the Romney joke about Thompson and Law and Order. Though technically not a one liner, it should have given Romney this category.
Clearly there was either some organized effort by some Ron Paul supporter to skew the results or someone used a computer program to skew the results.
What this poll does is further convince me that Ron Paul followers are fanatical to the extreme. By this point I am no longer listening to Ron Pauls message since his fanatical followers scare the crap out of me.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Never heard of Shills?
Shill
A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer.
The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims.
Shills are often employed by confidence artists and governments.
Shills on the internet
In online discussion media, such as message boards, discussion forums, and newsgroups, shills may pose as independent experts, satisfied consumers, or ?innocent? parties with specific opinions in order to further the interests of an organization in which they have an interest, such as a commercial vendor or special-interest group.
31,000 responses? MSNBC doesn't have that many viewers during prime time. For a Debate? A Republican debate? No chance. Aside from the press, it was probably the least-watched program on in that slot (and the replay slots later).
I'd be willing to guess that most of the live votes cast for RP are high schoolers (at best).
You don't really need to clear the cache on the browser, it's easy enough use Perl and LWP to script up a few {hundred|thousand|million} fake votes. If they (the web site) tracks IP addresses (not likely since it would faill any secondary votes cast through a NATed device), but even if they did , that's easy enough to fudge too ...
The web site probably / almost certaily doesn't do a back-track to see if it's a valid address.
Nothing special about the candidate, the campaign, or his supporters.
Move along, nothing to see here ....
I'd be willing to guess that most of the live votes cast for RP are high schoolers (at best).
You don't really need to clear the cache on the browser, it's easy enough use Perl and LWP to script up a few {hundred|thousand|million} fake votes. If they (the web site) tracks IP addresses (not likely since it would faill any secondary votes cast through a NATed device), but even if they did , that's easy enough to fudge too ...
The web site probably / almost certaily doesn't do a back-track to see if it's a valid address.
Nothing special about the candidate, the campaign, or his supporters.
Move along, nothing to see here ....
He also wins more of the straw polls than any other candidate. It's not solely an internet thing. It's just highly enthusiastic and highly organized people. There are forums where people will discuss the upcoming debate, watch it, and link to polls. Call it spamming if you like.
NoStateofMind
Diamond Member
NoStateofMind
Diamond Member
Odd, this definition of "shill" reminds me of MSM.
As previously stated in multiple threads on this subject.
Unless the fan base can generate solid support in Iowa to force double digits, he is toast.
Manipulating technology will nto prove a thing. It is the foot soldiers that count when the battle has to be won. Does he have the foot soldiers where they are needed?
Unless the fan base can generate solid support in Iowa to force double digits, he is toast.
Manipulating technology will nto prove a thing. It is the foot soldiers that count when the battle has to be won. Does he have the foot soldiers where they are needed?
Lemon law
Lifer
Hey, this is an internet poll and the internet is essentially a libertarian creature where its "no rules just right."
But the facts are and remain, that any poll where its possible to vote multiple times is a poll that can be biased by enthusiastic supporters.
Unless other polls that use methodologies not subject to biasing bear out the Ron Paul support, we must simply take this MSNBC poll and be very skeptical.
But thanks to enthusiastic supporters and enough raised money, Ron Paul will be around long enough to have his support tested in actual primaries. Then we can end this
debate based on speculation when it comes to the big States.
Because interesting enough, some Ron Paul supporters, while denying these call in polls are biased, cheerfully admit they will come out in numbers for Ron Paul in small primary States while hoping that apathetic supporters of other candidates don't bother to vote. Given voter apathy during primaries, it might just work in small States.
So get used it it folks, we are going to hear the name Ron Paul ad nausium on P&N for at least the next three months. Then Ron Paul will hit some big states and we will hopefully see it end when Ron Paul comes in with something like 1.89% of the vote.
And by the way--30,000 votes in a nation of 300,000,000. Thats 3x10 to the 4 divided by
3x10 to the 8. Yep, just as I suspected, only one in every 10,000 voted in this poll or did some vote far more than once?
But the facts are and remain, that any poll where its possible to vote multiple times is a poll that can be biased by enthusiastic supporters.
Unless other polls that use methodologies not subject to biasing bear out the Ron Paul support, we must simply take this MSNBC poll and be very skeptical.
But thanks to enthusiastic supporters and enough raised money, Ron Paul will be around long enough to have his support tested in actual primaries. Then we can end this
debate based on speculation when it comes to the big States.
Because interesting enough, some Ron Paul supporters, while denying these call in polls are biased, cheerfully admit they will come out in numbers for Ron Paul in small primary States while hoping that apathetic supporters of other candidates don't bother to vote. Given voter apathy during primaries, it might just work in small States.
So get used it it folks, we are going to hear the name Ron Paul ad nausium on P&N for at least the next three months. Then Ron Paul will hit some big states and we will hopefully see it end when Ron Paul comes in with something like 1.89% of the vote.
And by the way--30,000 votes in a nation of 300,000,000. Thats 3x10 to the 4 divided by
3x10 to the 8. Yep, just as I suspected, only one in every 10,000 voted in this poll or did some vote far more than once?
...And BoberFett, with (still) nothing substantial to say, resorts to person attacks (and fairly unimaginitive ones at that).
At least you've apparently given up on supporting your loser candidate; progress by the millimeter is still progress I suppose ... a move in the right direction.
You are the perfect example of a RP suporter (assuming you haven't moved on to another loser).
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