Ron Paul wins another debate

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JD50

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ron Paul is winning these online polls because his supports are running out there and voting for him multiple times.

Half the country does not even know who this guy is.

Yeah they keep saying that excuse. I guess Ron Paul must be the "hacker's choice", huh? Very very few people actually support Ron Paul, and they're all hackers. Great explanation, sir.


Online polls put Sanjaya in the top 10 in American Idol, that right there should tell you something about online polls.

Yes, it tells me that Sanjaya was very popular. Thanks.


Ummm...no it doesn't.

Heck I barely even watch TV or listen to those kind of radio programs but I couldnt help hear how many people were talking about Sanjaya. But see at least with Sanjaya he got a proportional amount of media coverage for his popularity. Ron Paul however is extremely popular to us regular Joe's but the media continues to ignore him and only bleat on about their little darling candidates McCain Guiliani and Romney.

No, everyone hated Sanjaya, that is why everyone voted for him, it was a big joke. Internet polls are worthless.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Does anyone have a link to a full video of last night's debates? I missed the AFN broadcast...

I tried searching on you tube but the haxXors have flooded it with Ron Paul specific videos (when searching for "republican debate"). I'll let you know if I find a full video
 

ayabe

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The reason Paul is garnering so much attention is that he is the only person on the stage who is speaking truth about our foreign policy and as it stands right now, this is the most important issue to people. It's as simple as that.

I doubt most people understand anything about economics or what the gold standard was, why we had to jettison it, etc. This isn't a major concern to people.

Frankly, every debate just makes the rest of the field look increasingly inept and phony. Romney is a hypocrite and a complete fake, how anyone could vote for him is beyond me. The only position I would ever consider him for is - car salesman in chief.

Rudy - has no idea what he's talking about on basically any topic, he was tying Iraq to the WoT again, as in we had to invade Iraq, made sense then, makes sense now. Terror, terror, blah, blah, be sure to wet your bed tonight. Idiot.

McCain - in bed with the Falwell set, gets too emotional with the talking points. His scare tactics with regards to the WoT are really just too much for me to stomach.

The rest aren't even really worth mentioning.

Oh yeah and Fred Thompson, doesn't really care about being President, has no plan for anything, and can't name one single thing he did while serving as a Senator. Sounds like a winner, :disgust:

Seriously, the entire field sucks. The only person will the cajones to speak the truth about the most important issue right now is Paul. He isn't up there spouting the tough guy rhetoric that got us into this mess in the first place and his ideas actually make some people think introspectively about why we are where we are.

This is scary to some people, especially the FNC set, the warmongering, corporate teat sucking wing of the party isn't so eager to look in the mirror.
 

dullard

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Here is the SOLE reason Ron Paul does well in online polls. If you are that frustrated with the other national polls, call up 1500 random people nationwide yourself and see how he does in a true nationwide poll. We'll be waiting for your results.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Blah blah blahhhhh.

Why are you even bothering to comment? Everyone knows you wouldnt vote republican no matter what they say.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Does anyone have a link to a full video of last night's debates? I missed the AFN broadcast...

I tried searching on you tube but the haxXors have flooded it with Ron Paul specific videos (when searching for "republican debate"). I'll let you know if I find a full video

Voting 500 times in an online poll is not hacking you noob.
 
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Hahahahaha.... That's the beauty of spamming a message board with multiple threads, when one goes south on you, just post away in the other one.

All this talk of polls...

From this thread... Because I'm too lazy to tpye it again.

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile


Now, let's look at CNN.com tonight. CNN and friends have taken it upon themselves to score tonight's Republican debate. Whom did they pick? A mix between Giuliani and McCain. Are these the same two candidates that CNN.com visitors are voting as the winners? No, of course not. Far be it for CNN to reflect the true opinions of it audience. The CNN.com visitors are picking Ron Paul by a land slide!

Score Card Link

The Ron Paul Gang is officially starting to piss me off. You do realize that every time you click that link... you can vote again! As many times as you want! For hours on end. Click click click... RP RP RP... All night long. Yee haw!

Question 1: Close window
Who do you think won the debate?


1. Ron Paul 54% 5169 votes
2. Rudy Giuliani 12% 1177 votes
3. John McCain 12% 1145 votes
4. Mitt Romney 11% 1085 votes
5. Mike Huckabee 4% 402 votes
6. Tom Tancredo 2% 189 votes
7. Sam Brownback 1% 119 votes
8. Duncan Hunter 1% 117 votes
9. Tommy Thompson 0% 43 votes
10. Jim Gilmore 0% 39 votes

As you can see... The way this particular vote was set up, it would only take a few dozen idiots clicking away to rack up 5100 votes in a short amount of time. Oops... there goes the 1337 hacker theory. Any moron could have skewed this poll.

And the BEST part is the people who just blindly stuck RP into every category without reading the question. In addition to winning the debate, he had the third most disappointing perfomance. :laugh:

Wow you must have a special computer. I cannot vote on that poll more than once. I sense a liar in our midst. But anyway, if you can vote for one candidate more than once, why isnt everyone voting for their candidate more than once, thus balancing itself out overall? Why is it that only Ron Paul supporters are voting multiple times? It makes no sense.

No lies. No special computer. EVERY time I clicked that link it let me vote again. It doesn't work if you just hit refresh, you have to click the link. I said as much in the other thread as well.

In fact, in order to see the results, I HAVE to vote again. :laugh:

Why isn't everyone voting more than once? Oh I dunno. Maybe they aren't a bunch of raving lunatics hell bent on creating a media phenom that doesn't exist by spending hours manipulating any poll they can? Either way, that poll was wide open for manipulation and the RP guys took full advantage of it. And as you can see, the numbers are not impossible to achieve by a small number of people just clicking away.

Iozina's response - Had to post in a separate quote because he clipped the rest of the conversation...

Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

No lies. No special computer. EVERY time I clicked that link it let me vote again. It doesn't work if you just hit refresh, you have to click the link. I said as much in the other thread as well.

Why isn't everyone voting more than once? Oh I dunno. Maybe they aren't a bunch of raving lunatics hell bent on creating a media phenom that doesn't exist by spending hours manipulating any poll they can? Either way, that poll was wide open for manipulation and the RP guys took full advantage of it. And as you can see, the numbers are not impossible to achieve by a small number of people just clicking away.

Yeah I see it now, I was refreshing the page before. But nonetheless, even on other polls which were very difficult to post multiple votes like vote.com Ron Paul is always the leader. Every public poll I've personally voted on had Ron Paul on top. The only polls I have not seen Ron Paul on top are those elusive polls they show on TV which I never was able to take part in.

But anyway, you have to admit it's quite a stretch to claim ONLY Ron Paul supporters would take advantage of loop holes in polls. Especially considering candidates like Guiliani have the praise of people like Opie & Anthony listeners. Those are the ones you should look out for...
No... looking at how many RP threads there are vs threads about other candidates... it's not a stretch at all.

 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: ayabe
Blah blah blahhhhh.

Why are you even bothering to comment? Everyone knows you wouldnt vote republican no matter what they say.

Don't doctor my quotes lightweight or prepare to be modded.
 

fskimospy

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It boggles the mind that people are referring to online polls without adding the words "are worthless" behind it.

Online polls are completely meaningless because there are not significant barriers to fraud, but most importantly because it is a self selecting pool of people to answer the poll. The only thing that this poll should be taken to show is that the website is capable of registering 5,000 votes.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
It boggles the mind that people are referring to online polls without adding the words "are worthless" behind it.

Online polls are completely meaningless because there are not significant barriers to fraud, but most importantly because it is a self selecting pool of people to answer the poll. The only thing that this poll should be taken to show is that the website is capable of registering 5,000 votes.
QFT!

/thread

ps: can someone plz get me a link to a full video of the debates? i still can't find one...DOH!
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: ayabe
Blah blah blahhhhh.
Why are you even bothering to comment? Everyone knows you wouldnt vote republican no matter what they say.
Don't doctor my quotes lightweight or prepare to be modded.
Oh please? people truncate quotes ALL the time.

Now if he changed what you actually said you might have a point, but all he did was shorten it in order to illustrate who he was talking too.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: ayabe
Blah blah blahhhhh.

Why are you even bothering to comment? Everyone knows you wouldnt vote republican no matter what they say.

Don't doctor my quotes lightweight or prepare to be modded.

Nice dodge!

Dodge what? That you don't want me to comment on YOUR candidates? I've watched all the debates, can you say the same?

You don't see me telling you or others not to comment on Hilary or Obama. I could care less.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: ayabe
Blah blah blahhhhh.
Why are you even bothering to comment? Everyone knows you wouldnt vote republican no matter what they say.
Don't doctor my quotes lightweight or prepare to be modded.
Oh please? people truncate quotes ALL the time.

Now if he changed what you actually said you might have a point, but all he did was shorten it in order to illustrate who he was talking too.

Wrong, read my post, I never said Blah blah blahhhhh, that's a doctored quote and a violation of TOS.

Thanks for playing.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: lozina
Yet the media continues to treat Ron Paul like a nobody who has no support?

Why do (RP) people keep saying stuff like that?

Hardly a week goes by without some post from you guys claiming a media bias against RP. What do you people want? The guy is included in the debates. What else do you wnat?

Is it because the talking heads who analyze these debates don't agree with you that RP won? Well, why can't they have a different opinion, and who cares what they think?

I think you supporters would be better served by looking at RP campaign fund raising (which if paltry likely explains why the media WOULD mostly ignore him, they seem very concerned about that). If he's doing poorly in fund raising your efforts would be better spent helping him there.

Fern
 

elmro

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: lozina
Yet the media continues to treat Ron Paul like a nobody who has no support?

Why do (RP) people keep saying stuff like that?

Hardly a week goes by without some post from you guys claiming a media bias against RP. What do you people want? The guy is included in the debates. What else do you wnat?

Is it because the talking heads who analyze these debates don't agree with you that RP won? Well, why can't they have a different opinion, and who cares what they think?

I think you supporters would be better served by looking at RP campaign fund raising (which if paltry likely explains why the media WOULD mostly ignore him, they seem very concerned about that). If he's doing poorly in fund raising your efforts would be better spent helping him there.

Fern

QFT.
 

brandonb

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Good idea. Ron Paul is the only candidate I see in the 08 election I'd actually want in office. It would be a good idea for me to donate something to his campaign. Thanks for the suggestion.
 

Phokus

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Because the mainstream media, CNN/Foxnews/MSNBC, want the cookie cutter media darling candidates to be the face of the election... the type of candidate that will lie through their teeth and say ANYTHING (even if they don't believe it) to get elected. They don't want straightalking mavericks (REAL straightalking mavericks, not frauds like McCain) like Ron Paul to rock the boat.

 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Dodge what? That you don't want me to comment on YOUR candidates? I've watched all the debates, can you say the same?

No, I havent watched them all I have a life. And I have a Tivo. I skip the boring stuff and commericals. :cookie:
 

zinfamous

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Damn, these Ron Paul threads are getting more, and more annoying.

I would ask for motion to ban Ron Paul threads, btu I guess that impinges on some "freedom of speech" thingy?

I think I'm going to start hating this guy, as little as I may know about his policies, b/c the AT Ron Paul Circle Jerk is getting annoying.

EDIT: could we at least preface all of these threads with a: YARPCJT? :D
 

GeezerMan

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Originally posted by: zinfamous

I would ask for motion to ban Ron Paul threads, btu I guess that impinges on some "freedom of speech" thingy?

Yeah, I'm with you on that. That pesky freedom of speech thing should on apply to topics I want to read...
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Damn, these Ron Paul threads are getting more, and more annoying.

I would ask for motion to ban Ron Paul threads, btu I guess that impinges on some "freedom of speech" thingy?

I think I'm going to start hating this guy, as little as I may know about his policies, b/c the AT Ron Paul Circle Jerk is getting annoying.

EDIT: could we at least preface all of these threads with a: YARPCJT? :D

Why do you hate freedom? :*(
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Originally posted by: zinfamous

I would ask for motion to ban Ron Paul threads, btu I guess that impinges on some "freedom of speech" thingy?

Yeah, I'm with you on that. That pesky freedom of speech thing should on apply to topics I want to read...


Damn straight! There's an idea that I can set my watch too!
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Damn, these Ron Paul threads are getting more, and more annoying.

I would ask for motion to ban Ron Paul threads, btu I guess that impinges on some "freedom of speech" thingy?

I think I'm going to start hating this guy, as little as I may know about his policies, b/c the AT Ron Paul Circle Jerk is getting annoying.

EDIT: could we at least preface all of these threads with a: YARPCJT? :D

Why do you hate freedom? :*(


B/c Freedom gets in the way of my fun! :p
 

TheSlamma

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Damn, these Ron Paul threads are getting more, and more annoying.

I would ask for motion to ban Ron Paul threads, btu I guess that impinges on some "freedom of speech" thingy?

I think I'm going to start hating this guy, as little as I may know about his policies, b/c the AT Ron Paul Circle Jerk is getting annoying.

EDIT: could we at least preface all of these threads with a: YARPCJT? :D
What is the cause of people like you who hate things that are popular instead of hating them because it's your own choice to hate them?

Was it the a$$ beatings in school? was it that you were not a popular kid? Is there someone here with a psychology degree that can explain this boys disfunction?