Ron Paul wins another debate

[lozina]

So another Republican debate is finished and the results are unanimous according to an MSNBC poll and a vote.com poll- Ron Paul wins by a landslide. It's not even close. CNN apparantly is too afraid to post a poll so they instead invited people to post comments on who won, and just take a look at the replies:

http://politicalticker.blogs.c...6/05/who-won/#comments


Yet the media continues to treat Ron Paul like a nobody who has no support?

what is Ron Paul a secret hacker in disguise able to sabotage all these polls with such consistency? Amazing.

MSNBC poll: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18963731/

Edit: Oh actually, I see CNN does have somewhat of a poll for the debate. Just filled in my answers and no surprise here either... Ron Paul by a landslide. And look how damn sneaky this one is. On this poll they have some "Special experts" like Political analyists post their opinion right on the damn poll! Talk about trying to manipulate your vote! God that ticks me off... but unfortunately, it didnt work! Ron Paul way ahead

CNN poll: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20.../scorecard/gop.debate/

 

[GeezerMan]

He better get some good protection and a food tester before it's too late.....

 

[flyfish]

I have yet to find a report of the debates from any major news network that even mentions Ron Paul. Is the media really this out of touch?

 

[dahunan]

maybe it is because he isn't going to allow the status quo and actually wants to make serious positive changes in the American political scene... The politicians and the media are in bed together and both are just as corrupt as the other.

He is bad news for bad politics

 

[Corbett]

Online polls. LOL!

 

[elmro]

It is very interesting to watch these debates and see how they treat Dr. Paul. I don't think that this was that great a debate for him (and I am a Paul supporter) - he is probably one of the least charismatic candidates, and has a very limited selection of talking points that he pushes.

I would love to see Paul get the nomination, but if I had to put money on it, say hello to President Romney.

Also as an aside, I was very impressed with Reverend Huckabee's answers. Not so much that I agree with what he is saying, but I find him to be very charismatic.

 

[GeezerMan]

Quote: "I'M SELLING CARBON CREDITS! PM me for details! Ask me about the June specials!"

Man, I sure could use some of those, I'm running very low on carbon credits. But, I need H2O credits first, by Friday, or the UN says I'll have to stop drinking water. Been drinking vodka since Sunday...

 

[ProfJohn]

Ron Paul is winning these online polls because his supports are running out there and voting for him multiple times.

Half the country does not even know who this guy is.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ron Paul is winning these online polls because his supports are running out there and voting for him multiple times.

Half the country does not even know who this guy is.

Yeah they keep saying that excuse. I guess Ron Paul must be the "hacker's choice", huh? Very very few people actually support Ron Paul, and they're all hackers. Great explanation, sir.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

OP - Having your supporters flood a non-scientific, on-line poll with multiple votes does not make him the winner.

Coming on message boards and touting these polls makes you look like an idiot and discredits your candidate.

I'm sure posts like the OP's are appearing on political boards all over the web. I think they hurt RP's candidacy more than they help. Manupilating poll results and then shouting out about them doesn't help at all.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
OP - Having your supporters flood a non-scientific, on-line poll with multiple votes does not make him the winner.

Coming on message boards and touting these polls makes you look like an idiot and discredits your candidate.

I'm sure posts like the OP's are appearing on political boards all over the web. I think they hurt RP's candidacy more than they help. Manupilating poll results and then shouting out about them doesn't help at all.

You're implying that these other candidates don't have supporters who would rally on their message boards to post their votes? I love all these allegations of manipulating poll results. We have a big conspiracy here guys. The Ron Paul hacking machine is in full force!

edit: Well the good thing is, if Ron Paul doesn't get nominated I know where to look to hire a team of elite hackers. We'll take over the world!

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ron Paul is winning these online polls because his supports are running out there and voting for him multiple times.

Half the country does not even know who this guy is.

Or maybe because his foreign policy is the most far left liberal imaginable. In the polls, Dems will all vote for him. That's support from more than half the people who use the internet.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ron Paul is winning these online polls because his supports are running out there and voting for him multiple times.

Half the country does not even know who this guy is.

Or maybe because his foreign policy is the most far left liberal imaginable. In the polls, Dems will all vote for him. That's support from more than half the people who use the internet.

Wait, I thought the liberals were the evil socialists who want to make the federal gubberment pay for everything from healthcare to wiping our behinds? But now you are revising the liberal label to apply to a man who votes against just about every measure which increases federal government and is opposed to such social programs?

Man this is entertaining to watch some of you trip over yourselves to try and dismiss Ron Paul's online popularity

edit: Oh I see, you had to be sneaky and qualify your favorite evil label of "far left liberal" with "foreign policy", hah. What about Guiliani's far left liberal cross dressing?

And might I remind you, Mr. Jaskalas, that non-interventionism is a traditionally conservative position in foreign policy. You are so quick to try and put one of your "nasty labels" on Ron Paul you don't even care if it makes sense or not. How silly. Some homework for you (well to be really clear, it is not actually a policy that should be firmly in any camp, liberal/conservative or whatever, it's been tossed around all over the place)

 

[ericlp]

Money Talks BS Walks....

Money makes the world go around...

Why isn't any one taking notice of him? Why he doesn't yet have half of a trillion dollars to run. There are tons of smart people out there but if you don't have the cash to pony up then sorry...You can't play in the game....

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
OP - Having your supporters flood a non-scientific, on-line poll with multiple votes does not make him the winner.

Coming on message boards and touting these polls makes you look like an idiot and discredits your candidate.

I'm sure posts like the OP's are appearing on political boards all over the web. I think they hurt RP's candidacy more than they help. Manupilating poll results and then shouting out about them doesn't help at all.

You're implying that these other candidates don't have supporters who would rally on their message boards to post their votes? I love all these allegations of manipulating poll results. We have a big conspiracy here guys. The Ron Paul hacking machine is in full force!

edit: Well the good thing is, if Ron Paul doesn't get nominated I know where to look to hire a team of elite hackers. We'll take over the world!

Ok... How is it RP is winning all these debates so overwhelmingly yet he barely registers an asterisk in national polls? The highest I've seen him score yet is 3% in a New Hampshire state poll. One doesn't jive with the other. Even if he were legitimately winning these debates how would he grab over 50% of the vote in a 9 way polling race where the top three candidates regularly grab a combined 50+% in other polls? How do you square that in your mind?

You almost have to choose between two conspiracies:
1. Ron Paul supporters are bombing the phone in/internet/text message (re: non-scientific) polls
2. Every scientific polling organization in the US is in cahoots with the Republican party to make Ron Paul look as insignificant as possible.

Hmmm... I choose option 1. Unless you have better explaination, OP.

FWIW, every time I click on your MSNBC link I get to vote again! Wow. I am 1337 h/\X0r or whatever. :disgust:

 

[Siddhartha]

OP,

You wrote that "CNN apparantly is too afraid to post a poll". Why would CNN be afraid to post a poll?

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: flyfish
I have yet to find a report of the debates from any major news network that even mentions Ron Paul. Is the media really this out of touch?

Nope, its Ron Paul people who are simply manipulating unscientific polls for their gain as they realize most people are ignorant as to how those polls actually work.

The only thing Ron Paul wins is having the most zealots who have nothing better to do than press numbers on a phone or click links all day.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ron Paul is winning these online polls because his supports are running out there and voting for him multiple times.

Half the country does not even know who this guy is.

Or maybe because his foreign policy is the most far left liberal imaginable. In the polls, Dems will all vote for him. That's support from more than half the people who use the internet.

Wait, I thought the liberals were the evil socialists who want to make the federal gubberment pay for everything from healthcare to wiping our behinds? But now you are revising the liberal label to apply to a man who votes against just about every measure which increases federal government and is opposed to such social programs?

First of all, that's among Republican candidates only. I know among general candidates, you would never vote for Paul before your Authoritarian party candidates.

You'd vote in a poll for Paul, who thought it was important to tell America off over 9-11 in the only few minutes he had, or would you go for real Republicans? Seems obvious to me, venomous spitting at America wins big points with the Democratic base, and so I'm saying he's not leading in a Republican poll among Republican candidates, he's leading in a general poll among Republican candidates. So then it?s self evident who, among Republican candidates, that the Democrats would vote for in a poll.

 

[Strk]

What's funny is that Ron Paul is making a lot of the same arguments Republicans prior to Dubya made. Have you ever seen old videos of Delay or Gingrich?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ron Paul is winning these online polls because his supports are running out there and voting for him multiple times.

Half the country does not even know who this guy is.

Or maybe because his foreign policy is the most far left liberal imaginable. In the polls, Dems will all vote for him. That's support from more than half the people who use the internet.

Wait, I thought the liberals were the evil socialists who want to make the federal gubberment pay for everything from healthcare to wiping our behinds? But now you are revising the liberal label to apply to a man who votes against just about every measure which increases federal government and is opposed to such social programs?

First of all, that's among Republican candidates only. I know among general candidates, you would never vote for Paul before your Authoritarian party candidates.

You'd vote in a poll for Paul, who thought it was important to tell America off over 9-11 in the only few minutes he had, or would you go for real Republicans? Seems obvious to me, venomous spitting at America wins big points with the Democratic base, and so I'm saying he's not leading in a Republican poll among Republican candidates, he's leading in a general poll among Republican candidates. So then it?s self evident who, among Republican candidates, that the Democrats would vote for in a poll.

You're out of touch with reality. Ron Paul represents traditional conservatives better than any other Republican candidate. All the other candidates are happy to see the federal government huge and grow bigger, as they make all these plans to involve the federal government in our lives more and more.

And you're wrong about another thing. I favor Ron Paul over any Democratic candidate hands down. The Democratic candidates is a field full of people who are out-of-touch elitists. At least the Republican group has one good guy in there. I am a registered Democrat though. Is there enough time to switch so I can vote in the Republican primary?

 

[LegendKiller]

I find it funny that not one Ron Paul supporter has yet to counter what Rainsford and I said.

You people are tools.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ron Paul is winning these online polls because his supports are running out there and voting for him multiple times.

Half the country does not even know who this guy is.

Or maybe because his foreign policy is the most far left liberal imaginable. In the polls, Dems will all vote for him. That's support from more than half the people who use the internet.

Wait, I thought the liberals were the evil socialists who want to make the federal gubberment pay for everything from healthcare to wiping our behinds? But now you are revising the liberal label to apply to a man who votes against just about every measure which increases federal government and is opposed to such social programs?

First of all, that's among Republican candidates only. I know among general candidates, you would never vote for Paul before your Authoritarian party candidates.

You'd vote in a poll for Paul, who thought it was important to tell America off over 9-11 in the only few minutes he had, or would you go for real Republicans? Seems obvious to me, venomous spitting at America wins big points with the Democratic base, and so I'm saying he's not leading in a Republican poll among Republican candidates, he's leading in a general poll among Republican candidates. So then it?s self evident who, among Republican candidates, that the Democrats would vote for in a poll.

You're out of touch with reality. Ron Paul represents traditional conservatives better than any other Republican candidate. All the other candidates are happy to see the federal government huge and grow bigger, as they make all these plans to involve the federal government in our lives more and more.

And you're wrong about another thing. I favor Ron Paul over any Democratic candidate hands down. The Democratic candidates is a field full of people who are out-of-touch elitists. At least the Republican group has one good guy in there. I am a registered Democrat though. Is there enough time to switch so I can vote in the Republican primary?

Your last line, proves my point about who would vote for him in the Republican poll. Yes, it's nice that you'd vote for him in the general election too, I applaud you for that, but you see there are two aspects to consider.

1: Domestic policy. He's a libertarian, I love that, I want that in office.

2: Foreign policy. Said exactly the sort of thing the far left says, and he felt it was critically important to say it within the confines of a debate. I am disgusted by that, and can never vote for a man with such convictions unless I've no better option.

I understand his domestic policy is that of a true conservative, but his foreign policy is something I run away from.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
OP - Having your supporters flood a non-scientific, on-line poll with multiple votes does not make him the winner.

Coming on message boards and touting these polls makes you look like an idiot and discredits your candidate.

I'm sure posts like the OP's are appearing on political boards all over the web. I think they hurt RP's candidacy more than they help. Manupilating poll results and then shouting out about them doesn't help at all.

You're implying that these other candidates don't have supporters who would rally on their message boards to post their votes? I love all these allegations of manipulating poll results. We have a big conspiracy here guys. The Ron Paul hacking machine is in full force!

edit: Well the good thing is, if Ron Paul doesn't get nominated I know where to look to hire a team of elite hackers. We'll take over the world!

Ok... How is it RP is winning all these debates so overwhelmingly yet he barely registers an asterisk in national polls? The highest I've seen him score yet is 3% in a New Hampshire state poll. One doesn't jive with the other. Even if he were legitimately winning these debates how would he grab over 50% of the vote in a 9 way polling race where the top three candidates regularly grab a combined 50+% in other polls? How do you square that in your mind?

You almost have to choose between two conspiracies:
1. Ron Paul supporters are bombing the phone in/internet/text message (re: non-scientific) polls
2. Every scientific polling organization in the US is in cahoots with the Republican party to make Ron Paul look as insignificant as possible.

Hmmm... I choose option 1. Unless you have better explaination, OP.

FWIW, every time I click on your MSNBC link I get to vote again! Wow. I am 1337 h/\X0r or whatever. :disgust:

What makes option #2 any more scientific? At least I can participate in the online poll. Have you ever been polled by the so-called scientific ones? I haven't.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Your last line, proves my point about who would vote for him in the Republican poll. Yes, it's nice that you'd vote for him in the general election too, I applaud you for that, but you see there are two aspects to consider.

1: Domestic policy. He's a libertarian, I love that, I want that in office.

2: Foreign policy. Said exactly the sort of thing the far left says, and he felt it was critically important to say it within the confines of a debate. I am disgusted by that, and can never vote for a man with such convictions unless I've no better option.

I understand his domestic policy is that of a true conservative, but his foreign policy is something I run away from.

Personally, I am more into Ron Paul because of his domestic policy than his foreign policy. I feel that while foreign policy is extremely important the situation domestically is so dire that we need someone like Ron Paul to get it in order. But I do agree with his foreign policy. I think non-interventionism would have served us better especially if we stayed out of Iraq and the Middle East. So it's a win-win candidate for me. There are few places with him that I disagree (it's impossible to find someone you agree with 100%) and they are insignificant so that's why I am so excited about Ron Paul. I've never been so excited about a candidate before... my previous "Favorite" candidate of Bill Clinton doesn't even come close. Clinton looks like a dumbfounded stooge compared to Paul.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I find it funny that not one Ron Paul supporter has yet to counter what Rainsford and I said.

You people are tools.

What did he say?