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LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Accountability is a good thing :)


Yeah, even if it sinks the market and adds chaos, at least we made the suckers accountable.

FFS you people are just silly with your ideas.

So, lets make every company's BoD accountable by putting board meetings under shareholder scrutiny.


 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Accountability is a good thing :)


Yeah, even if it sinks the market and adds chaos, at least we made the suckers accountable.

FFS you people are just silly with your ideas.

So, lets make every company's BoD accountable by putting board meetings under shareholder scrutiny.

Yeah Accountability is silly I must admit :roll:
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Can anybody put stock into the opinion of somebody who thinks Ron Paul should be listened to?

Wow, apparently 90% of America thinks not!

Consider who those 90% are listening to, and who they'll vote for. ;)

Curiously, what do you think about the rest of his plan? Compared to others?

When you think 90% of the people in the room are crazy perhaps you should start reconsidering your position.

 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Accountability is a good thing :)


Yeah, even if it sinks the market and adds chaos, at least we made the suckers accountable.

FFS you people are just silly with your ideas.

So, lets make every company's BoD accountable by putting board meetings under shareholder scrutiny.

Yeah Accountability is silly I must admit :roll:

No, balancing fictional theory with cold hard reality is a must.

I'd love more accountability, but I don't live in bullshit land where it comes free and has no consequences. RP's ideas are rife with consequences that are massive, sudden, and ruinous to any modern country, yet people think they're all great.

It reminds me of communists who think that the communist system can work, or even extreme socialists who think the same. Sorry, but utopia is where society has a common goal and can exist without personal ambition or reward.

However, the nature of humanity is against that, thinking anything but is nothing but stupidity. People forget that John Locke was correct with the invisible hand, communism ignored it and has paid the consequence by oppressing millions.

 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Can anybody put stock into the opinion of somebody who thinks Ron Paul should be listened to?

Wow, apparently 90% of America thinks not!

Consider who those 90% are listening to, and who they'll vote for. ;)

Curiously, what do you think about the rest of his plan? Compared to others?

When you think 90% of the people in the room are crazy perhaps you should start reconsidering your position.


Well, let's assume 45% of them would vote for Hillary.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller


No, balancing fictional theory with cold hard reality is a must.

I'd love more accountability, but I don't live in bullshit land where it comes free and has no consequences. RP's ideas are rife with consequences that are massive, sudden, and ruinous to any modern country, yet people think they're all great.

Are you expressing your concern that the FED may have been lying to the American people and instead of exposing it, we just cover it up behind a veil of secrecy?

Accountability and transparency gives the people more power in decision making and thats what I think the FED is afraid of. If they are made to do that, then the citizens of this country will see them for their true colors.

Lastly, I don't see how you can correlate FED transparency and accountability to stocks of major corporations. Not everyone owns stock, but every American uses the dollar.

 

Mavtek3100

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Especially the Federal Reserve must hold their meetings on Public Television! That's great! Did anyone catch the big one here? I thought this was classic indeed.

Actually that's probably one of the dumbest ideas to ever come out of his pen. Why is it I get the feeling that none of the advocates for this crap have ever worked for a decent-sized company in a decision making role?

Why is it you assume that the Fed who controls our publicly traded currency shouldn't be transparent?

Controlling and forming the information that comes out of your organization is essential to making sure people clearly understand what you're trying to do. Not to mention how many people would instantly start cutting up pieces from various meetings and piecing them together without context solely to create hysteria. Brilliant plan considering how important market confidence is when it comes to the Fed's operations.

Does it matter if people understand it or not? Do you think people who watch CSPAN understand all that the Congress does? It's not going to change what they do, but it's certainly going to hold them accountable when they fuck up. What do they say in these meetings that would cause mass hysteria? Are you saying the Fed controls our monetary system to the point of mass hysteria? That's certainly not the position you held earlier.



So, what about shareholders and board meetings? Wouldn't it be equally as important for them to see everything, since the BoD controls their share's performance? What about the CIA or FBI, it's important that we see what's going on there, FOI isn't enough, right?

I wish the CIA were gone, that's just me personally as far as "PRIVATE" companies and their board meetings go, yes they should all be on PPV. Of course only if they want to be though....... I have to say this is about the stupidest comparison to date.

What about anything where ideas that aren't filtered so the public doesn't go ape-shit about them?

Well I guess it could happen you certainly seem to go apeshit over ideas....

Do you remember the Briefcase Barometer from the Greenspan days, where they would take anything he said or did, including what size briefcase he was using, to determine what was going on with the economy?

Yea wouldn't it be great to actually know what the fuck they are going to do rather than speculate bullshit based on the Chairman's fucking briefcase? You're strengthening my position, thanks!

Seriously, you guys just don't know what the hell is needed to keep the markets clean. Even now people listen to the slightest nuace in board meetings which could indicate whether the company's performance is good or not. Hell, look what happened during the more recent Bear Sterns call, or countrywide. Even the slightest idea can be taken out of context, which is why those calls are heavily scripted.

What does that have to do with the Fed's board meetings? Why does the Fed care about what the Bear Sterns is doing?

What you don't realize is that BoD meetings or BoG meetings for the Fed are arenas for discussions to take place. Ideas, projections, solutions, warnings, opinions, are all tossed around. Direct exposure to these would result in people misinterpreting situations. For example, if 1 governor thought we should raise rates, the market would try to peg % likelihood on that, given power blocks, influence of that certain bank, the economy of the Fed bank area, and other factors.

Oh no, so what your saying is that people knowing things would cause more hysteria and conspiracy theories and more BS in the markets! Oh wait uh, you're supporting Ron Paul's position again without even realizing it.

Furthermore, the sounding board that is a Fed meeting is for the creation of new ideas. A BoD of any company is the same thing, as they use those meetings to direct the future of each company. It's akin to throwing shit on a wall and seeing what sticks. If you open that up to anybody, they will misinterpret anything possible. Volatility would increase as analysts ran different projections. People would speculate about any number of variables.

Oh so what you are saying is the Fed should deserve the same respect that a "private company" would even though they very clearly manipulate the Public's money supply and the Free market. That makes so much sense...........

This is the problem I have with people who have no financial education, no market experience, and no solid economics experience, those who read books and bandy theories rather than practicum, start trying to dictate and implement massive change. It produces nothing but a bunch of prognosticators who think they know a lot, but in reality, no nothing at all.

Well lawdee daw! That is the problem I have with you, you stick to your "education", your "market experience" and refuse to open your mind, to alternative theories simply because that isn't the way it's currently done or the way you were taught. Holy hell you're so indoctrinated you haven't used your own intelligence, which you must have some, to even consider these other views.

It's dangerous because they, through their ignorance, can literally sink this country in days, not weeks or years or decades.

Yes, I agree with you there, the Fed could easily do that.
 
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Accountability is a good thing :)

No one is going to tell you that accountability is bad. No one is arguing that accountability is bad. But are you seriously going to sit there and say that the only possible way to have accountability in the Federal Reserve is to publicly televise the meetings? That seems a bit dramatic to me.

I am no economist and I admit I am ignorant of how decisions are made regarding monetary policy. I do, however, work in a job that requires me to attend meetings to discuss strategy and direction. If these meetings were open to the public... well, shit, we wouldn't talk about anything, because you don't actually want the public to witness your brainstorming sessions. I have heard some absolutely retarded ideas come out of these meetings (which, of course, were not implemented). If the general public heard these ideas, faith in our organization would be diminished and we would lose money. I picture that scenario for the economy of the entire United States, and it strikes me as possibly the worst idea I have ever heard. Some decisions need to be hammered out behind closed doors before you announce them to the public. That's just common sense.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
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So, what about shareholders and board meetings? Wouldn't it be equally as important for them to see everything, since the BoD controls their share's performance? What about the CIA or FBI, it's important that we see what's going on there, FOI isn't enough, right?

What about anything where ideas that aren't filtered so the public doesn't go ape-shit about them?

Do you remember the Briefcase Barometer from the Greenspan days, where they would take anything he said or did, including what size briefcase he was using, to determine what was going on with the economy?

Seriously, you guys just don't know what the hell is needed to keep the markets clean. Even now people listen to the slightest nuace in board meetings which could indicate whether the company's performance is good or not. Hell, look what happened during the more recent Bear Sterns call, or countrywide. Even the slightest idea can be taken out of context, which is why those calls are heavily scripted.

What you don't realize is that BoD meetings or BoG meetings for the Fed are arenas for discussions to take place. Ideas, projections, solutions, warnings, opinions, are all tossed around. Direct exposure to these would result in people misinterpreting situations. For example, if 1 governor thought we should raise rates, the market would try to peg % likelihood on that, given power blocks, influence of that certain bank, the economy of the Fed bank area, and other factors.

Furthermore, the sounding board that is a Fed meeting is for the creation of new ideas. A BoD of any company is the same thing, as they use those meetings to direct the future of each company. It's akin to throwing shit on a wall and seeing what sticks. If you open that up to anybody, they will misinterpret anything possible. Volatility would increase as analysts ran different projections. People would speculate about any number of variables.

This is the problem I have with people who have no financial education, no market experience, and no solid economics experience, those who read books and bandy theories rather than practicum, start trying to dictate and implement massive change. It produces nothing but a bunch of prognosticators who think they know a lot, but in reality, no nothing at all.

It's dangerous because they, through their ignorance, can literally sink this country in days, not weeks or years or decades.

I've got degrees in Accounting & Finance, I'm a CPA.

I've been on BOD of companys.

IMO, BOD & shareholder meetings are completely different things. Firsty, they are purely private enterprises. Secondly such for-profit companies have competitors etc. This is decidely information not suited for public consumption.

Charging that people will speculate on info obtained from public meetings is not persuasive to me in the least. They speculate on anything and everything as it is now. How merely extending that peculation to be better (and real economic) data is a bad thing has not been addressed and escapes me.

We already have so many types of professional "fed watchers" and "guessers" (economic forecastors) upon whom we base speculation on that I see no reasonale basis for objection on this point.

I won't address your analogies to FBI & CIA meetings, that's just too irrlevent & silly.

Fern
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: LegendKiller


No, balancing fictional theory with cold hard reality is a must.

I'd love more accountability, but I don't live in bullshit land where it comes free and has no consequences. RP's ideas are rife with consequences that are massive, sudden, and ruinous to any modern country, yet people think they're all great.

Are you expressing your concern that the FED may have been lying to the American people and instead of exposing it, we just cover it up behind a veil of secrecy?

Accountability and transparency gives the people more power in decision making and thats what I think the FED is afraid of. If they are made to do that, then the citizens of this country will see them for their true colors.

Lastly, I don't see how you can correlate FED transparency and accountability to stocks of major corporations. Not everyone owns stock, but every American uses the dollar.

I don't have any problems with what the Fed has done, because I realize and have thought to a large extent, what i would have done and whether what they have done is correct. My opinions have changed in the last 3-4 months as I have seen the financial markets, both debt, equity, and others, get roiled due to these problems.

Accountability and transparency does give people power to decide whether actions taken are the correct ones. However, the goals of more transparency and accountability must be balanced with the actual need and whether the goals are worth reaching to different extents. One must strike a balance.

It's quite easy to correlate the two, while the scale might not be exact, the underlying factor is. Whether you are the smallest of companies or the largest, knowing what's going on inside is still a balance.

For example, I am a secured lender. If I see a company that's in trouble and they want my money, I'll request an observation seat on the BoD and I have written that into many documents. However, it's a position that carries a lot of weight and responsibility, even observation rights, and one I'd never get for a public company.

I guess my financial experience gives me a better understanding of how to balance these issues.

 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Fern
I've got degrees in Accounting & Finance, I'm a CPA.

I've been on BOD of companys.

IMO, BOD & shareholder meetings are completely different things. Firsty, they are purely private enterprises. Secondly such for-profit companies have competitors etc. This is decidely information not suited for public consumption.

Charging that people will speculate on info obtained from public meetings is not persuasive to me in the least. They speculate on anything and everything as it is now. How merely extending that peculation to be better (and real economic) data is a bad thing has not been addressed and escapes me.

We already have so many types of professional "fed watchers" and "guessers" (economic forecastors) upon whom we base speculation on that I see no reasonale basis for objection on this point.

I won't address your analogies to FBI & CIA meetings, that's just too irrlevent & silly.

Fern


And I am a CFA charterholder, my whole job is to analyze trends, determine how they affect the company and project that out into the future. Part of my training is to analyze financial statements, board meetings, public statements, earnings releases...etc, of major companies. I also meet with the CFO and CEOs of some of the largest companies in the nation that we lend to, just to discuss these issues.

You don't think the Fed has competitors? You don't think that open meetings would give away trade secrets or discussions on future moves? What about "out of the box" thinking that can be taken incorrectly?

 

Thump553

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". . .Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth."

Either Congressman Paul is hopelessly ignorant of banking law, or he is being deliberately dishonest. Talk to any banker, or anyone who does anything with banking law, and they will grumble (so long as the public can't hear them) about the restrictive governmental regulations that REQUIRE them to invest locally.

His stimulus plan is intellectually dishonest.
 

techs

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This is not an economic plan, but a plan for economic disaster.
And here I thought the neo-cons had the most dangerous economic plan, because the neo-con plan is supposed to cause an economic crisis.
But RP's plan will cause an economic crisis, and its not designed to cause an economic crisis.
Go figure.
 

xj0hnx

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Originally posted by: Thump553
". . .Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth."

Either Congressman Paul is hopelessly ignorant of banking law, or he is being deliberately dishonest. Talk to any banker, or anyone who does anything with banking law, and they will grumble (so long as the public can't hear them) about the restrictive governmental regulations that REQUIRE them to invest locally.

His stimulus plan is intellectually dishonest.

That would be like asking a pothead if weed should be legal.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Accountability is a good thing :)

No one is going to tell you that accountability is bad. No one is arguing that accountability is bad. But are you seriously going to sit there and say that the only possible way to have accountability in the Federal Reserve is to publicly televise the meetings? That seems a bit dramatic to me.

I am no economist and I admit I am ignorant of how decisions are made regarding monetary policy. I do, however, work in a job that requires me to attend meetings to discuss strategy and direction. If these meetings were open to the public... well, shit, we wouldn't talk about anything, because you don't actually want the public to witness your brainstorming sessions. I have heard some absolutely retarded ideas come out of these meetings (which, of course, were not implemented). If the general public heard these ideas, faith in our organization would be diminished and we would lose money. I picture that scenario for the economy of the entire United States, and it strikes me as possibly the worst idea I have ever heard. Some decisions need to be hammered out behind closed doors before you announce them to the public. That's just common sense.

This isn't a board meeting for Taco Bell executives. This is OUR MONEY of which we all own a stake in, unlike your "Taco Bell" theory. You cannot compare the two.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: xj0hnx
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Especially the Federal Reserve must hold their meetings on Public Television! That's great! Did anyone catch the big one here? I thought this was classic indeed.

Actually that's probably one of the dumbest ideas to ever come out of his pen. Why is it I get the feeling that none of the advocates for this crap have ever worked for a decent-sized company in a decision making role?

Controlling and forming the information that comes out of your organization is essential to making sure people clearly understand what you're trying to do. Not to mention how many people would instantly start cutting up pieces from various meetings and piecing them together without context solely to create hysteria. Brilliant plan considering how important market confidence is when it comes to the Fed's operations.

I freaking love the idea! Around .2% of America would actually care and watch it, but I'd still love it! I mean to see them squirm around and actually be held accountable by Americans for what they do would be awesome. Seriously they are the ones in control of our monetary system, why shouldn't it be transparent. After all it's a currency, a form of exchange nothing more. I don't see why we can't see what the Fed does, CSPAN covers everything the House and Senate do. Oh and another thing, it's your money.

I'm sure you do love it - you seem to have absolutely no reasoning skills of your own and accept whatever comes out of Senator Paul's mouth as the gospel truth. Why would you even begin to think critically about this?

Again, it's obvious who has actual real-world experience with the press, investors and customers, and who doesn't. Nobody exposes discussions and negotiations to the world - it's a formula ripe for misunderstanding and disaster.

Can anyone seriously put stock in the opinion of someone that thinks Ron Paul is a senator?

Whoops. I guess with the amount of idol worship going on here for the guy, for a moment I forgot that he's not even in the upper house of your legislative branch.

Way to attack the source and not the idea, though.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: yllus

Whoops. I guess with the amount of idol worship going on here for the guy, for a moment I forgot that he's not even in the upper house of your legislative branch.

Way to attack the source and not the idea, though.

No, but it sure shows how much you know about a man you dislike so much.

 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Accountability is a good thing :)

No one is going to tell you that accountability is bad. No one is arguing that accountability is bad. But are you seriously going to sit there and say that the only possible way to have accountability in the Federal Reserve is to publicly televise the meetings? That seems a bit dramatic to me.

I am no economist and I admit I am ignorant of how decisions are made regarding monetary policy. I do, however, work in a job that requires me to attend meetings to discuss strategy and direction. If these meetings were open to the public... well, shit, we wouldn't talk about anything, because you don't actually want the public to witness your brainstorming sessions. I have heard some absolutely retarded ideas come out of these meetings (which, of course, were not implemented). If the general public heard these ideas, faith in our organization would be diminished and we would lose money. I picture that scenario for the economy of the entire United States, and it strikes me as possibly the worst idea I have ever heard. Some decisions need to be hammered out behind closed doors before you announce them to the public. That's just common sense.

This isn't a board meeting for Taco Bell executives. This is OUR MONEY of which we all own a stake in, unlike your "Taco Bell" theory. You cannot compare the two.

It's similar. Can't you see that? THere are competitors, there are ideas tossed around that shouldn't see the light of day.

You somehow think it's all innocent (or guilty) talk.

Frankly, I am not surprised by a bunch of armchair economists and finance people coming up with these idiotic ideas of full transparency.
 

babylon5

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Accountability is a good thing :)

No one is going to tell you that accountability is bad. No one is arguing that accountability is bad. But are you seriously going to sit there and say that the only possible way to have accountability in the Federal Reserve is to publicly televise the meetings? That seems a bit dramatic to me.

I am no economist and I admit I am ignorant of how decisions are made regarding monetary policy. I do, however, work in a job that requires me to attend meetings to discuss strategy and direction. If these meetings were open to the public... well, shit, we wouldn't talk about anything, because you don't actually want the public to witness your brainstorming sessions. I have heard some absolutely retarded ideas come out of these meetings (which, of course, were not implemented). If the general public heard these ideas, faith in our organization would be diminished and we would lose money. I picture that scenario for the economy of the entire United States, and it strikes me as possibly the worst idea I have ever heard. Some decisions need to be hammered out behind closed doors before you announce them to the public. That's just common sense.

This isn't a board meeting for Taco Bell executives. This is OUR MONEY of which we all own a stake in, unlike your "Taco Bell" theory. You cannot compare the two.

:thumbsup:

 

yllus

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Seriously, you guys just don't know what the hell is needed to keep the markets clean. Even now people listen to the slightest nuace in board meetings which could indicate whether the company's performance is good or not. Hell, look what happened during the more recent Bear Sterns call, or countrywide. Even the slightest idea can be taken out of context, which is why those calls are heavily scripted.

What you don't realize is that BoD meetings or BoG meetings for the Fed are arenas for discussions to take place. Ideas, projections, solutions, warnings, opinions, are all tossed around. Direct exposure to these would result in people misinterpreting situations. For example, if 1 governor thought we should raise rates, the market would try to peg % likelihood on that, given power blocks, influence of that certain bank, the economy of the Fed bank area, and other factors.

Furthermore, the sounding board that is a Fed meeting is for the creation of new ideas. A BoD of any company is the same thing, as they use those meetings to direct the future of each company. It's akin to throwing shit on a wall and seeing what sticks. If you open that up to anybody, they will misinterpret anything possible. Volatility would increase as analysts ran different projections. People would speculate about any number of variables.

I don't think the people who are reading this thread are actually going to listen to any of this. Ironically the don't-give-an-inch mentality at play here when it comes to Congressman Paul's supporters is exactly what they themselves rail against. Hard to find a nonpartisan these days.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: yllus

Whoops. I guess with the amount of idol worship going on here for the guy, for a moment I forgot that he's not even in the upper house of your legislative branch.

Way to attack the source and not the idea, though.

No, but it sure shows how much you know about a man you dislike so much.

Highly ironic considering your self-professed knowledge of finance and how badly you've been handed your ass on the topic. I may have temporarily forgot he was a lowly Congressman instead of a Senator, but at least on the issues I know my stuff.
 
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Accountability is a good thing :)

No one is going to tell you that accountability is bad. No one is arguing that accountability is bad. But are you seriously going to sit there and say that the only possible way to have accountability in the Federal Reserve is to publicly televise the meetings? That seems a bit dramatic to me.

I am no economist and I admit I am ignorant of how decisions are made regarding monetary policy. I do, however, work in a job that requires me to attend meetings to discuss strategy and direction. If these meetings were open to the public... well, shit, we wouldn't talk about anything, because you don't actually want the public to witness your brainstorming sessions. I have heard some absolutely retarded ideas come out of these meetings (which, of course, were not implemented). If the general public heard these ideas, faith in our organization would be diminished and we would lose money. I picture that scenario for the economy of the entire United States, and it strikes me as possibly the worst idea I have ever heard. Some decisions need to be hammered out behind closed doors before you announce them to the public. That's just common sense.

This isn't a board meeting for Taco Bell executives. This is OUR MONEY of which we all own a stake in, unlike your "Taco Bell" theory. You cannot compare the two.

I don't work at Taco Bell, jackass. And if I was privileged enough to be invited to board meetings for a multimillion dollar international company like Taco Bell, well, I guess that would mean that I would have a keener grasp of business than you. But whatever.

See, the thing about a republic is that we give up our power to representatives. Americans don't vote on every single piece of legislation; we have elected officials for that. And that's brilliant, because given the intelligence of the average person, I don't want them making decisions regarding the policies of this country. I consider myself fairly intelligent, much moreso than the average American when it comes to politics, and I wouldn't trust myself to vote on a lot of things that come up because I know I'm ignorant in those areas.

When you open up the private meetings of the Fed to the public, Joe Q. Sixpack won't give a rat's ass. But the media, God bless them, will jump on every little thing that happens at the meetings as indicative of whatever crisis they can spin it as. Crisis sells newspapers, crisis gets people to watch the news, crisis gets viewers, which in turn gets ad revenue. Potential investors, seeing crisis at every turn, start pulling out their money as fears of a recession grow, and suddenly the shit hits the fan as everyone pulls out and the economy collapses.

There are some things that simply need to be hashed out in private before they are ever made public. When you're thinking about a major decision, don't you tend to talk it over with other people before you go through with it? If I'm going to break up with my girlfriend, I'll talk to my friends first. If I'm going to quit my job, I tell my family. If I think of a potential solution to a problem at work, I float it at a meeting. If you take that away, all you'll see is a lot more closed-door meetings between various members of the Fed before the actual board meeting, so you still won't be seeing the brainstorming process. No one at the Fed is stupid enough to think that brainstorming in front of the country is a good idea.

It's a bad plan. There are other methods for accountability, other methods for transparency, that don't involve putting the board meetings on display for the world.
 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The four areas that the plan covers are:

1. Tax Reform:
Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.

2. Spending Reform:
Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.

3. Monetary Policy Reform:
Expand openness with the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.

4. Regulatory Reform:
Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.

Details are needed on #1. It is a vague blanket statement "Reduce tax burden".
Also, unless there is going to be a $1 per $1 reduction in government spending where will the lost funds come from.

Details are needed on #2. What are the wasteful spending programs. Will congress be able to weasel out of it. What does he call commitments - military bases , foreign aid programs (which ones)?

What does he think the Feds are hiding -the possibility could exist for showcasing and political influence when they are no longer felt to be independent.

Details are needed on #4. Some of the limitations on the banks are in place to prevent speculation and over extension (ala '80s).
currently we can see what is happening to banks when the reigns are not controlled - the sub-lending market issue is a perfect example.

Details are on the page from his campaign site linked to from the article:

(the page linked below):
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/Prosperity