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**Ron Paul took 24% and five national delegates in Idaho!**

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
He got 24% in an election that didn't mean anything and in which he ran virtually unopposed. Good work! :thumbsup:
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It is a bummer that so many people bash him it seems .. only to be bashing the odd guy out

You probably believe and wish for more of the things he wants to do than you even know because the media won' cover his topics
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It's not that at all... at this point I'm just burned out at the people who have been spinning and lying about his popularity and influence for the last year. This is just another example of the spin machine at work. Constantly citing on-line polls that are obviously manipulated and crying about them being as real and accurate as Gallup... placing high in unopposed elections... overstating anything remotely positive while completely ignoring, and even denying, reality.

That's what I have a problem with. I don't know RP personally but his supporters act like the RNC/DNC spin machines on steroids and a hit of crack. Pardon me if that turns me off.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
LOL, "brainwashed". Please, leave the tin-foil hat shit where it belongs, the bargain bin at wal-mart.

A gold standard isn't a "must". a currency is worth what the market dictates, not what you think it's worth against a shiny rock. There's no difference between value benchmarked by a shiny rock and one benchmarked against the US as a whole, which is what the current dollar is backed by.
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You're right. An object's worth is what the market dictates. However, no matter what type of money is used it is still subject to the laws of supply and demand. If you increase the supply and the demand stays the same then the price of that object goes down. Using gold as a standard for monetary backing allows a predictable and steady measure of value because the rate at which gold has been discovered has held quite steadily. Only in a few instances has there been a sharp increase in the supply of gold (for the US, namely the California gold rush), but even then it did not cause massive market disruptions.

Comparing that to the Federal Reserve Note, interest rates are constantly manipulated and adjusted so the supply of the dollar does too. Having a constantly changing and variable interest rate leads to malinvestment because businesses don't normally track the amount of money in circulation. When businesses see an increase in spending they increase the the prices of their goods, but ultimately expand and hire more workers. Once there is a contraction of credit then the expansion and workers are no longer affordable. When this happens on a national scale then things get ugly.

A fiat currency is not ideal.

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
There are so many fucking problems with any asset backed dollar that only idiots would agree to one by now. If it was so damn great then *ONE* country would be leading the group in going to it and dominating the world with it. But guess what? There isn't one major country that has an asset backed currency. All that had one realized its unwieldy and eventually collapses in upon itself.
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Well we had one for a very long time now. It was when organizations like the IMF still mattered. Do you remember what happened? Good ole Uncle Sam needed to wage war to spread that lovely democracy around. We destroyed our currency back then just as we are doing right now. The reason we stopped using gold to back our currency is that people kept asking for their gold back!

The problem with asset backed currencies is that governments can't manipulate them. Let's see, a government can either print money indefinitely or be held accountable for their currency under an asset based system. Which one do you think they would lean towards?

And its funny that you say that it'll collapse upon itself. Fiat currencies come and go along with the rise and collapse of nations, but gold has always held worth and stability throughout history.

Originally posted by: LegendKillerThat's not brainwashing, that's reality. If you want to ignore history, economic, finance, and reality, go right ahead. That's why you'll never gain traction in the real world.
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It looks like history does repeat itself.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
He's a "straight shooter" but he's shooting straight the wrong way. His tangential attacks completely miss the real problems and detracts from his overall message.
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Eh? He has consistently been a straight shooter and illustrates someone who at least has a clue about what he talks about and believes in.

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Him and his followers have clearly espoused the idea to withdraw from most (if not all) international bases. Iraq withdrawal is stupid at this point, I'd have thought we'd have learned that lesson several times by now.
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So you definitely disagree with Obama and at least half of the country, but as long as Ron Paul agrees with it then its probably a stupid idea.

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I did know that RP raised that much from the military, but it means nothing.
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Yeah what the fuck do our troops know anyway?

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Romney and 9/11 were jokes. People started seeing through it pretty quickly. Huck and Thompson were never really "top" contenders.
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I think Romney (as much as I hate him) stood a great chance against McCain.
 
Ron Paul is not extreme in his viewpoints. The majority of his views have been policy for the better part of U.S. history. The majority were favored by the men who built this country and are directly represented in the constitution. Please, please don't go about calling him or his supporters zealots, when there is nothing extreme or unprecedented about their views.

Even if you disagree with his methods, he brings up good points. A gold backed dollar is just an means to an end. The real issue which he seeks to correct is government sponsored inflation. Don't give BS answers about letting the economy down softly. The fed isn't infallible and they can sometimes do a lot of harm. The housing bubble? Caused by easy money. Its caused a great number of problems for many people. Ron's concern is completely legitimate.

And also, Ron isn't an isolationist. I don't care what your views are about foreign policy are; just because he is against war and having military bases in 130 countries does not make him an isolationist. RP supporters are for trade, talks, and open relations. We are far, far, more isolated from the world than we were 8 years ago.

And on a different note, the general attitude about Ron Paul is not black and white. I know many people who agree with his views and merits, but simply didn't vote for him because they didn't think he stood a chance or weren't ready to see his views become mainstream. Either way, there is still a wide range of support for many of his ideas--and they're definitely worth fighting for.
 
Originally posted by: badkarma1399
Ron Paul is not extreme in his viewpoints. The majority of his views have been policy for the better part of U.S. history. The majority were favored by the men who built this country and are directly represented in the constitution. Please, please don't go about calling him or his supporters zealots, when there is nothing extreme or unprecedented about their views.

Even if you disagree with his methods, he brings up good points. A gold backed dollar is just an means to an end. The real issue which he seeks to correct is government sponsored inflation. Don't give BS answers about letting the economy down softly. The fed isn't infallible and they can sometimes do a lot of harm. The housing bubble? Caused by easy money. Its caused a great number of problems for many people. Ron's concern is completely legitimate.

And also, Ron isn't an isolationist. I don't care what your views are about foreign policy are; just because he is against war and having military bases in 130 countries does not make him an isolationist. RP supporters are for trade, talks, and open relations. We are far, far, more isolated from the world than we were 8 years ago.

And on a different note, the general attitude about Ron Paul is not black and white. I know many people who agree with his views and merits, but simply didn't vote for him because they didn't think he stood a chance or weren't ready to see his views become mainstream. Either way, there is still a wide range of support for many of his ideas--and there definitely worth fighting for.
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Gosh I don't know...listen to what Mike Huckabee says.
The greatest threat to classic Republicanism is not liberalism; it's this new brand of libertarianism, which is social liberalism and economic conservatism, but it's a heartless, callous, soulless type of economic conservatism because it says, "Look, we want to cut taxes and eliminate government. If it means that elderly people don't get their Medicare drugs, so be it. If it means little kids go without education and health care, so be it." Well, that might be a, quote, pure economic conservative message, but it's not an American message. It doesn't fly. People aren't going to buy that, because that's not the way we are as a people. That's not historic Republicanism. Historic Republicanism does not hate government; it's just there to be as little of it as there can be. But they also recognize that government has to be paid for.
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Source: Politico
Not only does it sound extreme but heartless. Ron Paul clearly doesn't care about anyone!

I love how Huck says that Ron Pauls type of libertarianism is a bigger threat than liberal Democrats.😀
He is of course right.
 
Originally posted by: Perry404

The greatest threat to classic Republicanism is not liberalism; it's this new brand of libertarianism, which is social liberalism and economic conservatism, but it's a heartless, callous, soulless type of economic conservatism because it says, "Look, we want to cut taxes and eliminate government. If it means that elderly people don't get their Medicare drugs, so be it. If it means little kids go without education and health care, so be it." Well, that might be a, quote, pure economic conservative message, but it's not an American message. It doesn't fly. People aren't going to buy that, because that's not the way we are as a people. That's not historic Republicanism. Historic Republicanism does not hate government; it's just there to be as little of it as there can be. But they also recognize that government has to be paid for.
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Source: Politico
Not only does it sound extreme but heartless. Ron Paul clearly doesn't care about anyone!

I love how Huck says that Ron Pauls type of libertarianism is a bigger threat than liberal Democrats.😀
He is of course right.
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omg! ur right! And here I thought that my local town could manage education. Hell, even my state helps out. And managing my own retirement? pffft. I don't know where we'd be without our benevolent government overlords. 😛

Geez, Some people act as if we are incapable of doing good unless it comes from the government.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Perry, you're still kickin'? :laugh:

Please revisit the New Hampshire primary thread.
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Hey that's ok I'll be kicking for a very long time and I'm sure I'll continue to make plenty of mistakes.
I'll always come back though.
Let's just say that hope affects my judgment sometimes as was the case in New Hampshire.(Although Paul did very well considering the circumstances)
Can't be right all of the time.🙂


Hey good news everyone. Paul took FIVE NATIONAL DELEGATES in Idaho!
This is HUGE news. We may get him a speaking engagement at the Republican national convention yet.
http://news.aol.com/elections/primary/state/id

It is also interesting to note that Barack Obama only received 11,000 more votes than Ron Paul. Paul can't even be elected and yet the people continue to flock in to the vote. Amen for the non-apathetic.
 
Originally posted by: badkarma1399
Ron Paul is not extreme in his viewpoints. The majority of his views have been policy for the better part of U.S. history. The majority were favored by the men who built this country and are directly represented in the constitution. Please, please don't go about calling him or his supporters zealots, when there is nothing extreme or unprecedented about their views.

Even if you disagree with his methods, he brings up good points. A gold backed dollar is just an means to an end. The real issue which he seeks to correct is government sponsored inflation. Don't give BS answers about letting the economy down softly. The fed isn't infallible and they can sometimes do a lot of harm. The housing bubble? Caused by easy money. Its caused a great number of problems for many people. Ron's concern is completely legitimate.

And also, Ron isn't an isolationist. I don't care what your views are about foreign policy are; just because he is against war and having military bases in 130 countries does not make him an isolationist. RP supporters are for trade, talks, and open relations. We are far, far, more isolated from the world than we were 8 years ago.

And on a different note, the general attitude about Ron Paul is not black and white. I know many people who agree with his views and merits, but simply didn't vote for him because they didn't think he stood a chance or weren't ready to see his views become mainstream. Either way, there is still a wide range of support for many of his ideas--and they're definitely worth fighting for.
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX

Eh? He has consistently been a straight shooter and illustrates someone who at least has a clue about what he talks about and believes in.


So you definitely disagree with Obama and at least half of the country, but as long as Ron Paul agrees with it then its probably a stupid idea.


Yeah what the fuck do our troops know anyway?

I think Romney (as much as I hate him) stood a great chance against McCain.
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1. He has shown time and again that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

2. I do disagree with Obama on this part and I certainly disagree with anybody who thinks we should withdraw. We fucked it up and it's up to us to fix it.

3. I have talked to many military folks, none of them gave a shit about RP. Small percentages still equate to not much support, as borne out by low voting for him.

4. Romney was a slick looking empty suit and had the whole Mormon thing against him.
 
Originally posted by: badkarma1399
Ron Paul is not extreme in his viewpoints. The majority of his views have been policy for the better part of U.S. history. The majority were favored by the men who built this country and are directly represented in the constitution. Please, please don't go about calling him or his supporters zealots, when there is nothing extreme or unprecedented about their views.
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And many of the men who wrote the constitution also favored a document that needed th change with the times to allow for a stronger country. Jefferson himself said that the constitution belongs to the living and most of his companions agreed. If you want to throw the founders in my face, I'll throw them right back at you.

Even if you disagree with his methods, he brings up good points. A gold backed dollar is just an means to an end. The real issue which he seeks to correct is government sponsored inflation. Don't give BS answers about letting the economy down softly. The fed isn't infallible and they can sometimes do a lot of harm. The housing bubble? Caused by easy money. Its caused a great number of problems for many people. Ron's concern is completely legitimate.
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We had inflation under a gold backed dollar, but we also had deflation, which happened very erratically and reduced investment opportunities through uncertainty. A steady targeted inflation rate is good because it reduces uncertainty. It also allows companies to steadily adjust wages to inflation.

I have asked for it repeatedly, nobody still has been able to produce any factual, hard, data showing that inflation has been bad for the average American. That wages have eroded significantly over the long-term and that Americans are worse off than before.

Provide data showing this and I might start to believe you.

As far as the housing bubble, that wasn't caused by the Fed to the greatest extent. It was caused by the global capital pool running from one pocket of investments to another. The Fed sets short-term rates didn't determine the liquidity available to mortgages and the long-term rates that massive amount of liquidity was delivered at.
And also, Ron isn't an isolationist. I don't care what your views are about foreign policy are; just because he is against war and having military bases in 130 countries does not make him an isolationist. RP supporters are for trade, talks, and open relations. We are far, far, more isolated from the world than we were 8 years ago.
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We are a part of the global community and are the biggest economy in the world and the most influential country and the world. Our withdrawal from the world arguably lead to WW2.

War is a needed evil when it comes to protecting our population. I don't agree with the Iraq war but now that we are there, we have to rix our mess.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
He got 24% in an election that didn't mean anything and in which he ran virtually unopposed. Good work! :thumbsup:
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It is a bummer that so many people bash him it seems .. only to be bashing the odd guy out

You probably believe and wish for more of the things he wants to do than you even know because the media won' cover his topics
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We bash him because he's too extreme in some of his viewpoints and most of his acolytes are idiots.
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Agreed
 
Jesus Christ when is this Republican primary season going to end? It just keeps going on forever and ever! I bet RP is going to take it all the way to the convention!
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Jesus Christ when is this Republican primary season going to end? It just keeps going on forever and ever! I bet RP is going to take it all the way to the convention!
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We can hope. Somebody needs to begin reining in the neocons, and it sure isn't going to be McCain.
 
I think many people like Ron Paul, not because of the Ron Paul destination, but more so the Ron Paul direction. We need some serious changes in policies and attitudes in DC.
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Jesus Christ when is this Republican primary season going to end? It just keeps going on forever and ever! I bet RP is going to take it all the way to the convention!
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To the convention? I assure you we're taking far beyond the Republican national convention. By the time 2011 rolls around the entire world is going to know who Ron Paul is.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
I think many people like Ron Paul, not because of the Ron Paul destination, but more so the Ron Paul direction. We need some serious changes in policies and attitudes in DC.
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I think it's because he has two first names.
 
Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: bamacre
I think many people like Ron Paul, not because of the Ron Paul destination, but more so the Ron Paul direction. We need some serious changes in policies and attitudes in DC.
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I think it's because he has two first names.
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Well you also like Dick and Bush, so I'm not sure your opinion matters to a lot of people.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: bamacre
I think many people like Ron Paul, not because of the Ron Paul destination, but more so the Ron Paul direction. We need some serious changes in policies and attitudes in DC.
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I think it's because he has two first names.
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Well you also like Dick and Bush, so I'm not sure your opinion matters to a lot of people.
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You have a problem with bisexuals?
 
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