it's very easy to get this story right though. he was an editor, he didn't do a very good job editing, some language got through that could be seen as "racist" by some I view it borderline. He claimed it as his own because he was the one to give the final say to publish it, you know being the editor, later he claimed it wasn't him and the paper backed it up by saying someone else wrote it and he was just the editor. Now I'm not sure who to believe in this, but if this is why you're not going to vote for someone then you probably shouldn't vote for any candidate we have.
Let's not pretend that these newsletters were giant tomes of complex intellectual thought. They were short racist rants. Any normal person would have seen that language if they spent even 5 minutes 'editing' the short newsletters.
He didn't just claim the writing as his own, he explicitly defended some of the points it was making. Can you point to a single other candidate who has done something to this effect? I can't. Look at all the shit Obama got for sitting in a pew near someone who had said racially inflammatory statements. Imagine if Obama had edited a newsletter that said racist things about white people and then defended them to the press. His campaign would have been over in a heartbeat.
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This video is funny. Did the person who put it on youtube do so for satirical purposes? Because he doesn't say anything racist in the video at all.
Also... instead of just referring to these 20-30 year old newsletters, how about citing some racist examples from them.
He can't even properly edit some crap newsletter? How can he run the executive branch if he becomes President.
Really? I mean honestly, this is your response? I take it you don't plan on voting in the Presidential election then right? I mean if Ron Paul doesn't qualify then no one else should either and I'm perfectly ok with that.
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I have yet to see anybody posting racist excerpts from these newsletters. Aside from the slow down of the riots because they had to cash welfare checks, which doesn't sound like anything Ron Paul would say.
I'm still a bit skeptical. How many times does he have to answer the same question about these things? And why are people so vague w\ them suggesting they're racist and then not posting what is racist.
Look at that youtube video saying " Paul exposed, racist rant!" in which he says nothing remotely racist...
And still... is this the best they can come up with? LOL Vague newsletters that people suggest are racist despite Paul's record of sticking up for minorities and equal rights.
And if Paul is a racist, I'd be willing to bet every other candidate is. Ron Paul isn't the hard nosed right wing type that fits the typical racist mold. You know, the people that talk about people in broad groups like those damn liberals. People who pretend that small groups of people represent the entire larger body to which they can be associated. That's a racist mindset and Paul simply doesn't have that going for him. Other candidates do though.
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Why pretend these newsletters aren't associated to Paul or aren't racist? They very clearly are. If anything, argue that he made a mistake and he doesn't today hold those views. A flat denial makes you look ridiculous.
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Paul gets testy and walks out on CNN interview when being asked about the newsletters:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/...w-after-being-asked-about-racist-newsletters/
What's more interesting than the walkout is the following statement of his:
Well, we know he didn't "become aware of it probably ten years after it was written," because he made statements in 1996 and many of those articles were written in the early 90's. Also, we know that he read them because he defended them at the time. This statement is clearly a bald-faced lie.
The attempts to defend him over this are becoming increasingly comical.
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/...w-after-being-asked-about-racist-newsletters/
What's more interesting than the walkout is the following statement of his:
Well, we know he didn't "become aware of it probably ten years after it was written," because he made statements in 1996 and many of those articles were written in the early 90's. Also, we know that he read them because he defended them at the time. This statement is clearly a bald-faced lie.
The attempts to defend him over this are becoming increasingly comical.
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I think Paul owes a different attitude, cooperation, some humility on this - and we're seeing some of his personality come through in his hostility and denial.
This is what to expect as President - a very 'my way or the highway' not listening to anyone else, screw you mentality to anyone who crosses him I suspect.
He should - if he actually recognized the wrong of these and isn't just being politically correct - identify who wrote them for a more full accountability.
Let the more complete story come out - who did it, discredit them, see if the corroborate his story that he didn't know what was in them.
He's handling it shamefully - though better than defending them, which might actually play well with this absurd Republican primary voter group.
He's so used to just spouting a line, he's not used to this it seems.
This is what to expect as President - a very 'my way or the highway' not listening to anyone else, screw you mentality to anyone who crosses him I suspect.
He should - if he actually recognized the wrong of these and isn't just being politically correct - identify who wrote them for a more full accountability.
Let the more complete story come out - who did it, discredit them, see if the corroborate his story that he didn't know what was in them.
He's handling it shamefully - though better than defending them, which might actually play well with this absurd Republican primary voter group.
He's so used to just spouting a line, he's not used to this it seems.
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That sounds awful. I've come to love having a president that rolls over every time a radical rightie gives him a hard stare.
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You have to love the ever-contradictory positions of the righties here. Obama refuses to compromise with Republicans ... yet he rolls over every time they give him a stare. He's accomplished absolutely nothing since elected ... yet he's destroying America. He's an extreme left liberal ... yet he's "black Bush". It's amazing how schizophrenic you are, how quickly you can flop back and forth yet manage to remain in absolute lock step with each other. I think you may be ready for the Rockettes.That sounds awful. I've come to love having a president that rolls over every time a radical rightie gives him a hard stare.
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It would be nice to note that the context of what you quoted was the 3rd or 4th time he'd answered the same question, and also had answered them the previous day for the same network.
I hate having to repeat myself once. I can only imagine for a guy leading the polls that he's got a busy schedule and doesn't have time to waste on an interview where they're just going to ask the same question over and over again and pretend he didn't answer it the first time it was asked.
The basics of the situation : You have Ron Paul denying he wrote the stuff. You claim he's lying, yada yada.
The stuff posted above isn't even racist. The first clip posted above about needling is more of an urban myth and is something you'd see your mother forward to all her email contacts if they had the internet back then.
The MLK one.. hell... I bet alot of the anti paul people here think MLK is a socialist liberal and many other choice words. Nothing racist was said. The "hate whitey day" comment while could possibly be in poor taste could be taken in a better context if you read the following statement where he mentions blacks being openly racist against white people on the radio.
But hey... Go watch that " Ron paul caught racist rant" youtube video people have posted here. In the first 20 seconds you can see he's not a racist.
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If these newsletters are the best they can come up with... LOL. You have 20+ year old text that he denies writing...
Gingrich on the other hand has his hand in the cookie jar and we have him taking bail out money just 2-3 years ago from some of the people who defrauded our country into it's current economic state. He's stated that the palestinian people are an invented race which is far more racist than anything in the 20 year old Paul newsletters, and he just said that a week or so ago.
Or do you want a dummy like Romney to be president? Are we setting a certain bar of sleaziness a candidate has to reach to get the nomination? I was watching the news last night and they're pretending the race is down to Gingrich and Romney.
I can see where this is likely going to lead to a Romney nomination and then a romney defeat at the 2012 election... and then maybe mr flip flops will try again in 2016. If nothing else, Ron Pauls participation in this election cycle will show us just how much of a joke politics are.
Gingrich on the other hand has his hand in the cookie jar and we have him taking bail out money just 2-3 years ago from some of the people who defrauded our country into it's current economic state. He's stated that the palestinian people are an invented race which is far more racist than anything in the 20 year old Paul newsletters, and he just said that a week or so ago.
Or do you want a dummy like Romney to be president? Are we setting a certain bar of sleaziness a candidate has to reach to get the nomination? I was watching the news last night and they're pretending the race is down to Gingrich and Romney.
I can see where this is likely going to lead to a Romney nomination and then a romney defeat at the 2012 election... and then maybe mr flip flops will try again in 2016. If nothing else, Ron Pauls participation in this election cycle will show us just how much of a joke politics are.
Lies like Ron Paul has been telling about this will always unravel once full scrutiny is placed on them.
This was always leading to a Romney nomination. The rest of the Republican field, Ron Paul included, is insane.
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Please... Ron Paul is still the only candidate talking about real issues. He's led in a majority of the straw pull events and in alot of polls. He's about to win the Iowa Caucus too. Maybe they should have another debate soon so that Ron Paul can win yet another debate.
Now, if you want to have a gathering of crazy people and have them talk about abortion, gay marrriage and other issues that have nothing to do with running our country... go ahead. None of that is going to help pick a good president.
Who is your candidate of choice?
I am not sure. However, I refuse to vote for any racists, that's for sure. Why do you ask?
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I'm glad you're tuned in to the real issues plaguing our country, like racism, abortion, etc.
MSM hypnotism working.
I probably will not vote for any of these people. And I definitely wouldn't vote for Gingrich. Is he more of a racist than Ron Paul?
Yeah, and he's saying crazy things about real issues. Not only will Ron Paul not win the Republican nomination, if somehow he did he would be utterly obliterated by Obama in the general election. In that way I am supportive of a Paul candidacy, as I believe that it would not only hand Obama the election, but deal a crippling blow to conservatism nationwide.
If you go look at many of the major platform positions Ron Paul has they are enormously unpopular. Hell, his son only won in by 10 points in Kentucky... which averages a partisan PVI of more than +15 for Republicans. (which should equate to a 30 point win all other things being equal)
It's not that he doesn't have ideas, they are just hilariously bad ideas. This mostly comes from his poor understanding of economics and monetary policy, which sadly is supposed to be his thing.
Yeah, because Ron Paul who believes in an economic theory that is a joke sure can help with the real issues plaguing our country. And removing civil liberties currently enjoyed by Americans sure is a solution.
I hope that you're joking.
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