Ron Paul rejects evolutionary theory

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Citrix
why is this a important question to ask somebody who is running for office? i really dont give a crap and fail to see the connection.

Because we once had a nice thing in this country called separation of church and state.

so religious people can't be elected to office?

Of course religious people can be elected to office. I never said anything differently.

Citrix asked what the connection was between denying evolution and being elected president.

My explanation is that in this country today science and scientific reasoning is under attack.

In our classrooms there is a full assault on evolution and a push to include creationism in the classroom.

That is a clear violation of separation of church and state.

We cannot stand by and let religion infiltrate our society and undermine our children's education.

Hence, I'm extremely apprehensive of any candidate that denies evolution.

Exactly, well said. :thumbsup:

Like I said in the beginning.

Ron Paul is just another religious anti-science Texas Republican.

Anyone that supports him is as equally anti-science as he is.

 

[morkinva]

I've invited you by PM, legendkiller, to post on ronpaulforums.com about your disdain for Ron Paul's monetary policies. I don't believe I've seen you post there! Why not? Show them up for the clowns they are! You'll save the world!

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: morkinva
I've invited you by PM, legendkiller, to post on ronpaulforums.com about your disdain for Ron Paul's monetary policies. I don't believe I've seen you post there! Why not? Show them up for the clowns they are! You'll save the world!

So many boards, so little posting time . Nah, it comes down to going to places I see value in different areas, not just P&N or debate. I have always liked AT for OT, Hot Deals, here, and now a few other sub forums, not to mention the tech areas.

Perhaps I'll register tonight, see what I can see.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Well I'm happy that you are getting your ego socks off. I really don't get your asshole attitude though. "bitchslap"? ROFL bitch please! We have discussed monetary policy before and you NEVER bitchslapped me. Nor will you EVER.

I don't have to get my ego checked out, it's just fine.

Says you? Take it to a psychologist and we'll see then. :laugh:

Then try to come back into them, instead of running like every other RP-bot. I have smacked you and everybody else around like a read headed stepchild and I'll continue to do so. It's quite easy since you guys are high on conspiracy and low on any real knowledge.

Well, I am quite good at guaging my own psychological well being, considering that I graduated with a BS in psychology and took several masters level courses in the process. I also have a minor in history.

So, I guess that makes me better than RP in three things, psychology, history, and finance, since I am good in all three. Yet, somehow, he fails in basic science, where his original education lies.

Interesting.

All Hail The Great "LegendKiller" <bows in reverence>

 

[morkinva]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: morkinva
I've invited you by PM, legendkiller, to post on ronpaulforums.com about your disdain for Ron Paul's monetary policies. I don't believe I've seen you post there! Why not? Show them up for the clowns they are! You'll save the world!

So many boards, so little posting time . Nah, it comes down to going to places I see value in different areas, not just P&N or debate. I have always liked AT for OT, Hot Deals, here, and now a few other sub forums, not to mention the tech areas.

Perhaps I'll register tonight, see what I can see.

Yes, take him out at the knees by crushing his main grassroots where they gather. After all, you know you're correct, so show them the error of their ways.

Of course, if you don't, then I won't think you're a coward.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bamacre

Yeah, who gives a shit that he voted against the war in Iraq, who gives a shit that he voted against the Patriot Act?

That's the good news. He got something right.

If you think the misunderstanding of evolution is the biggest problem in this country, do us all a favor. Don't vote.

Regardless of being right on Iraq and the < gag > "Patriot" Act, that's really bad news. I wouldn't consider voting for anyone stupid enough to dismiss evolution as "just a theory" with absolutely no clue about what a scientific theory is or who would describe it as a "theological question."

We've alreadyt had more than enough shit for brains religious idealogues as President for one century.

Harvey, I just think it totally disgusting that you hold the concept of evolution as a higher priority than so many other important issues in this country.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Evolution does not conflict with Christianity. Only a bunch of silly, uneducated Christians and anti-Christians would like to think so.

I agree with your statement, but I also don't like the fact that RP tries to dismiss evolution as "just a theroy".

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: morkinva
I've invited you by PM, legendkiller, to post on ronpaulforums.com about your disdain for Ron Paul's monetary policies. I don't believe I've seen you post there! Why not? Show them up for the clowns they are! You'll save the world!

So many boards, so little posting time . Nah, it comes down to going to places I see value in different areas, not just P&N or debate. I have always liked AT for OT, Hot Deals, here, and now a few other sub forums, not to mention the tech areas.

Perhaps I'll register tonight, see what I can see.

This will be interesting. I'll be there with bells on.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bamacre
Evolution does not conflict with Christianity. Only a bunch of silly, uneducated Christians and anti-Christians would like to think so.

I agree with your statement, but I also don't like the fact that RP tries to dismiss evolution as "just a theroy".

I won't defend Ron Paul (I don't even plan on voting for him), however, I just try to imagine what I would have said if I was in that same position in Spartanburg, SC.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: morkinva
I've invited you by PM, legendkiller, to post on ronpaulforums.com about your disdain for Ron Paul's monetary policies. I don't believe I've seen you post there! Why not? Show them up for the clowns they are! You'll save the world!

So many boards, so little posting time . Nah, it comes down to going to places I see value in different areas, not just P&N or debate. I have always liked AT for OT, Hot Deals, here, and now a few other sub forums, not to mention the tech areas.

Perhaps I'll register tonight, see what I can see.

This will be interesting. I'll be there with bells on.

Bring it on, you'll be just as easy to defeat on monetary policy there as here.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: morkinva
I've invited you by PM, legendkiller, to post on ronpaulforums.com about your disdain for Ron Paul's monetary policies. I don't believe I've seen you post there! Why not? Show them up for the clowns they are! You'll save the world!

So many boards, so little posting time . Nah, it comes down to going to places I see value in different areas, not just P&N or debate. I have always liked AT for OT, Hot Deals, here, and now a few other sub forums, not to mention the tech areas.

Perhaps I'll register tonight, see what I can see.

This will be interesting. I'll be there with bells on.

Bring it on, you'll be just as easy to defeat on monetary policy there as here.

All Hail The Great "LegendKiller" <bows in reverence>

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Having read numerous threads regarding Ron Paul's wacky finance policy I can testify that LegendKiller has indeed bitch-slapped several Paulbots into submission.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: morkinva
I've invited you by PM, legendkiller, to post on ronpaulforums.com about your disdain for Ron Paul's monetary policies. I don't believe I've seen you post there! Why not? Show them up for the clowns they are! You'll save the world!

So many boards, so little posting time . Nah, it comes down to going to places I see value in different areas, not just P&N or debate. I have always liked AT for OT, Hot Deals, here, and now a few other sub forums, not to mention the tech areas.

Perhaps I'll register tonight, see what I can see.

This will be interesting. I'll be there with bells on.

Bring it on, you'll be just as easy to defeat on monetary policy there as here.

Just so you know,...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZsZ0_OLer4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cilwld5fj48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI_ygx02FTo

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Harvey, I just think it totally disgusting that you hold the concept of evolution as a higher priority than so many other important issues in this country.

I don't. I have lots more reasons not to vote for Ron Paul, but since it's the topic of the thread, I consider anyone who appears to have no understanding of scientific principles to be unqualified to be President. Make that a double for any vapor head who can only spew the "just a theory" dogma and cast the discussion of evolution into the swamp of "a theological question."

AFIC, their reality check has bounced.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bamacre

Harvey, I just think it totally disgusting that you hold the concept of evolution as a higher priority than so many other important issues in this country.

I don't. I have lots more reasons not to vote for Ron Paul, but since it's the topic of the thread, I consider anyone who appears to have no understanding of scientific principles to be unqualified to be President. Make that a double for any vapor head who can only spew the "just a theory" dogma and cast the discussion of evolution into the swamp of "a theological question."

AFIC, their reality check has bounced.

Heh... so you're gonna vote for a Southern Baptist who is going to keep us in Iraq and whose health care plan is nothing but to make illegal to not purchase health insurance?

C'mon, Harv, don't give us this reality check bullsh!t.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bamacre

Harvey, I just think it totally disgusting that you hold the concept of evolution as a higher priority than so many other important issues in this country.

I don't. I have lots more reasons not to vote for Ron Paul, but since it's the topic of the thread, I consider anyone who appears to have no understanding of scientific principles to be unqualified to be President. Make that a double for any vapor head who can only spew the "just a theory" dogma and cast the discussion of evolution into the swamp of "a theological question."

AFIC, their reality check has bounced.

How about showing me what Hillary or Obama have to say about evolution? Have they discussed the topic? If so, I'd like to see their thoughts.

 

[sandorski]

I dunno, IMO, it looks bad when a Politician wanting to be Leader doesn't understand basic science. However, what matters more than that is whether that person has an Agenda to impose their understanding, or lack thereof, on the rest of the Society they want to Lead. Bush has been bad largely due to his attempts to force his Idiocy on everyone else, but RP seems to be of the mind that this type of thing is wrong and not the purpose of Government. If you really want something to object to RP, look no further than his adherence to the Gold Standard or other Libertarian policies/ideas that sound good, but are not practical.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: bamacre
Evolution does not conflict with Christianity. Only a bunch of silly, uneducated Christians and anti-Christians would like to think so.

If you take the Bible literally, it says the world is 6,000 years old and that it was created in a matter of days. Some say that the word for "day" could represent eons, so who knows. What I do know is that most Christians reject the notion that we evolved from apes, and make it a point to note our elevated consciousness compared to the rest of the animal world.

No Christian that I know would turn their back on the book of Genesis in order to fully embrace the theory of evolution. IMO as a Christian you can embrace certain aspects of the theory, but certainly not all of it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Yours is a common misunderstanding, but you are wrong. What you are doing is misinterpreting a "literal" interpretation that is, for the most part, unique to fundamental Christians of modern North America and then asserting that it is a belief common to all Christians worldwide.
I'm not a Christian myself, but my advice to you would be to actually read the Bible (and more than just one translation) before you start telling other people what it says.

Well, you can believe anything you want. You can also prove just about anything you want, if you try hard enough.

Please show me a Bible translation that does not include the six "days" of creation.

In terms of the Earth being 6,000 years old, I was given this information from a friend. I have never read anything personally within the Bible which relates to the age of the Earth or the universe.

If you take the theory of evolution to the extreme, it pretty much states that we evolved from an amoeba. That directly contradicts the Bible, no matter how you translate it. :light:

 

[zinfamous]

well, there goes his last nugget of tangible sanity.

 

[bamacre]

I hope you all can tell the family members of those in Iraq that you chose to keep them there because Paul said he thought evolution is a theological theory.

I'm sure they'll understand.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Well, you can believe anything you want. You can also prove just about anything you want, if you try hard enough.

Please show me a Bible translation that does not include the six "days" of creation.

In terms of the Earth being 6,000 years old, I was given this information from a friend. I have never read anything personally within the Bible which relates to the age of the Earth or the universe.

If you take the theory of evolution to the extreme, it pretty much states that we evolved from an amoeba. That directly contradicts the Bible, no matter how you translate it. :light:

The "days" is allegory to justify resting on the Sabbath. Recall that, in the Bible, the Egyptians forced the Hebrew slaves to work every single day. So they invented the weekend. You should thank them.

The 6,000 years thing that your friend told you about was the invention of an Anglican bishop named Ussher who lived in the 17th century. It came into prominence in the Christian community only in the 1800s after an American publisher started putting it into editions of the KJV Bible.

It does? How about you show me where? Chapter and verse please. I'll be waiting.

Like I said, I'm not a Christian, but you find a lot of silly and incorrect notions about other peoples' beliefs on the internet, and yours is just one of them. And I find such generalizations to be bigoted.
While there are certainly a lot of "fundamental" types who hold to a "literal" interpretation of the Bible that is exactly as you describe, most religious people accept scientific theories like Big Bang and evolution. In fact, many scientific people are religious. OMG can you believe it! And the Pope even tells Catholics to accept those theories and insists that they be taught in Catholic schools worldwide. Which should be no surprise, since the church took part in the development of these scientific theories, especially the Big Bang.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
I can't see how anyone can buy the theory of evolution. Isn't one of it's primary tenants "survival of the fittest?" I don't know about you, but looking at the way our society has evolved, survival of the fittest is not what drives it. We continuously want to help "the less fortunate" and continue to allow morons to breed. If this is human nature, we surely didn't evolve to get where we are. We are the most self destructive species on the planet. So no, his lack of acceptance of a commonly accepted THEORY does not change how I feel about Dr. Paul.

All that aside, it's the fact that he isn't afraid to state his beliefs that garner the most respect and support from me. He knows full well that there are those who will take issue with his beliefs yet stands behind them anyway. He does not pander to people to gain their support. He speaks his beliefs and allows you to decide weather or not his message rings true for you. More people in Washington should have such courage and commitment to their own beliefs.

Survival of the fittest isn't really a tenet of evolution, it's part of the theory of natural selection, which itself is a subset of evolutionary theory. Additionally you are applying it to individuals when survival of the fittest applies on a species level. When one looks at it from a species pov, and considring the social aspect of human behaviour, helping the less fortunate in order to provide for a more stable society and ensuring the continued existence of a human society makes perfect sense. iow, survival of the fittest should be applied as an inter-species observation, not intra-species.

"Survival of the fittest," as TLC implies, is a complete mistatement of natural selection. A better phrase would be "persistence of the most useful genes." "Most useful" could mean, for example, "causing the lowest basal metabolism" (genes that would be highly useful [and thus likely to persist and become more dominant] during a long period of famine, but counter-productive during a long period of plenty) - assuming there weren't other countervailing forces in the environment that watered down the effect of the basal-metabolism genes.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Vic

Heh... so you're gonna vote for a Southern Baptist who is going to keep us in Iraq and whose health care plan is nothing but to make illegal to not purchase health insurance?

Please show me where I said that. I'm completely opposed to Huckabee specifically because he's made such a stink about being a "Christian."

C'mon, Harv, don't give us this reality check bullsh!t.

Sorry if you can't handle the way it is. It's anything but bullshit.

Anyone who refers to the theory of evolution as "just a theory" doesn't know his ass from the proverbial hole in the ground. What's even more scary is the idea of a intellectually challenged preacher who pimps himself to the religious right having any say, whatsoever, in the intellectual debate about what we teach our kids about science. :roll:

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Vic

Heh... so you're gonna vote for a Southern Baptist who is going to keep us in Iraq and whose health care plan is nothing but to make illegal to not purchase health insurance?

Please show me where I said that. I'm completely opposed to Huckabee specifically because he's made such a stink about being a "Christian."

C'mon, Harv, don't give us this reality check bullsh!t.

Sorry if you can't handle the way it is. It's anything but bullshit.

Anyone who refers to the theory of evolution as "just a theory" doesn't know his ass from the proverbial hole in the ground. What's even more scary is the idea of a intellectually challenged preacher who pimps himself to the religious right having any say, whatsoever, in the intellectual debate about what we teach our kids about science. :roll:

Just the opposite, Harvey. He doesn't want any say in what we teach our kids about science. He wants to put the Dept of Education in the garbage can, where it belongs, and leave education to the states.

Harvey, Ron Paul isn't running because he wants to run your life, he's running so you can run your own life.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Vic

Heh... so you're gonna vote for a Southern Baptist who is going to keep us in Iraq and whose health care plan is nothing but to make illegal to not purchase health insurance?

Please show me where I said that. I'm completely opposed to Huckabee specifically because he's made such a stink about being a "Christian."

C'mon, Harv, don't give us this reality check bullsh!t.

Sorry if you can't handle the way it is. It's anything but bullshit.

Anyone who refers to the theory of evolution as "just a theory" doesn't know his ass from the proverbial hole in the ground. What's even more scary is the idea of a intellectually challenged preacher who pimps himself to the religious right having any say, whatsoever, in the intellectual debate about what we teach our kids about science. :roll:

And I was completely talking about Hillary.

I could see the confusion though because I had momentarily forgotten that she and Bill aren't of the same faith. She attends GW's church, the United Methodists. My bad. Doesn't change the rest of what I said though.