Ron Paul rejects evolutionary theory

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Citrix
why is this a important question to ask somebody who is running for office? i really dont give a crap and fail to see the connection.

Because we once had a nice thing in this country called separation of church and state.

so religious people can't be elected to office?

They can, they just have to denounce all gods and and pee on at least one holy symbol of their faith before we elect them!

The point is that religion is all fine and dandy, but when your religion forces you to have beliefs that can likely get in the way or progress, that's bad for this nation. Would you ever vote for a person who defined themself as a Scientologist regardless of their other rhetoric? Or how about someone claiming to be a Satanist?

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

At the Spartanburg Executive Committee Meeting Ron Paul was asked during a Q&A to clarify his position on evolutionary theory. He claims that he does not accept it as it is "just a theory" and claims that it's a theological question (when clearly it's a scientific question).

Great! Just what this country needs... Yet another intellectually challenged idealogue whose range of vision is defined by the deepest inner walls of his rectum. :roll:

Mark this turkey REJECTED!! :thumbsdown:

I still do find him an intriguing option. I don't agree with him on this, or on his abortion views. I've also traditionally voted Democrat.
I guess that says something about the general state of the tripe we've got running for office now.

Maybe we need to see if Bill the Cat is willing to run for office. He once ran under the slogan, "A desperate choice for desperate times."

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

At the Spartanburg Executive Committee Meeting Ron Paul was asked during a Q&A to clarify his position on evolutionary theory. He claims that he does not accept it as it is "just a theory" and claims that it's a theological question (when clearly it's a scientific question).

Great! Just what this country needs... Yet another intellectually challenged idealogue whose range of vision is defined by the deepest inner walls of his rectum. :roll:

Mark this turkey REJECTED!! :thumbsdown:

Yeah, who gives a shit that he voted against the war in Iraq, who gives a shit that he voted against the Patriot Act?

If you think the misunderstanding of evolution is the biggest problem in this country, do us all a favor. Don't vote.

 

[Vic]

I don't see how this matters. It's not like there are any atheists running for President.


edit: Heh... I wonder if Harvey is going to reject Hillary because she's a Southern Baptist. Or Obama because he's an Evangelical. Nah, I doubt it, that would mean he'd have to be intellectually honest for once. Fat chance o'that!

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Vic
I don't see how this matters. It's not like there are any atheists running for President.


edit: Heh... I wonder if Harvey is going to reject Hillary because she's a Southern Baptist. Or Obama because he's an Evangelical. Nah, I doubt it, that would mean he'd have to be intellectually honest for once. Fat chance o'that!

Harvey, like Dave, has put party over principle.

They have been bitching, even louder than us, about the war in Iraq, about the Patriot Act, and low and behold, they are supporting candidates that will only continue these failed policies and ideals.

I guess they have evolved.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'll put this on my list of things not to give a shit about. I mean really, who gives a flying crap if he holds with atheists or theists. What counts is what policies will he put into place if elected and that's independent of this nonsense.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Vic
I don't see how this matters. It's not like there are any atheists running for President.


edit: Heh... I wonder if Harvey is going to reject Hillary because she's a Southern Baptist. Or Obama because he's an Evangelical. Nah, I doubt it, that would mean he'd have to be intellectually honest for once. Fat chance o'that!

Harvey, like Dave, has put party over principle.

They have been bitching, even louder than us, about the war in Iraq, about the Patriot Act, and low and behold, they are supporting candidates that will only continue these failed policies and ideals.

I guess they have evolved.

Exactly. I love how they persist about all the deaths in Iraq but yet they are the same ones that would not vote for someone to immediately stop it. Party over policy :thumbsdown:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Vic
I don't see how this matters. It's not like there are any atheists running for President.


edit: Heh... I wonder if Harvey is going to reject Hillary because she's a Southern Baptist. Or Obama because he's an Evangelical. Nah, I doubt it, that would mean he'd have to be intellectually honest for once. Fat chance o'that!

Harvey, like Dave, has put party over principle.

They have been bitching, even louder than us, about the war in Iraq, about the Patriot Act, and low and behold, they are supporting candidates that will only continue these failed policies and ideals.

I guess they have evolved.

Shhh... careful or they'll label us RRR's, righties, or wingnuts because we point out that their candidates and their party support almost exactly the same policies and agendas as the Republican party they claim to hate.

:roll:

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I'll put this on my list of things not to give a shit about. I mean really, who gives a flying crap if he holds with atheists or theists. What counts is what policies will he put into place if elected and that's independent of this nonsense.

AMEN! uhhh i mean "Good words kind fellow with your head on straight because of his knowledge in evolutionary theory and atheism"

 

[LegendKiller]

This is rich. When I debate monetary policy, currency, and economic matters I am told...


"Ron Paul is a senator, a doctor, he knows more than you, a mere investment finance professional. Shut up with your stupid knowledge, you are a mere pissant compared to the intellectual genius that is Ron Paul. He knows everything about finanace, you know nothing!"

Now, that we see his true ignorance it's...

Ron Paul doesn't know everything, but he is still right"

Despite being trained in medicine, a hard science, he cannot distinguish between theory, theology, and science. His own training is in science, he should at least know how it works. Yet, somehow, he is an *expert* in a field he has no remote training in, other than reading bullshit books and making bullshit "theories".

It's funny that RP's bots are out supporting him, even now that he's stuck his foot in his mouth.

Look, just admit it, the guy is not an intellectual god. He knows somethings, has no idea on others, and has some downright ridiculous ideas in some places (monetary policy). However, despite some of these shortcomings, I still think he's better than any R candidate.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Harvey, like Dave, has put party over principle.

They have been bitching, even louder than us, about the war in Iraq, about the Patriot Act, and low and behold, they are supporting candidates that will only continue these failed policies and ideals.

Thanks for proving conclusively that don't know jack shit about me or who or what I support. If you had ever read my posts, you'd know I've been opposed to the war in Iraq since the Bushwhackos first lied us into it, and I certainly don't support continuing it.

If you still support the Bushwhackos' obscene war of LIES in Iraq, or you're still stupid enough to believe anything they say, you must be one of those children your TRAITOR IN CHIEF left behind. Got any other lies you want to post about me? :roll:

I guess they have evolved.

Too bad you haven't.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bamacre

Harvey, like Dave, has put party over principle.

They have been bitching, even louder than us, about the war in Iraq, about the Patriot Act, and low and behold, they are supporting candidates that will only continue these failed policies and ideals.

Thanks for proving conclusively that don't know jack shit about me or who or what I support. If you had ever read my posts, you'd know I've been opposed to the war in Iraq since the Bushwhackos first lied us into it, and I certainly don't support continuing it.

If you still support the Bushwhackos' obscene war of LIES in Iraq, or you're still stupid enough to believe anything they say, you must be one of those children your TRAITOR IN CHIEF left behind. Got any other lies you want to post about me? :roll:

I guess they have evolved.

Too bad you haven't.

Harvey, the first thing Ron Paul will do once elected is end the war in Iraq.

If you think otherwise, then you don't know who Ron Paul is.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bamacre

Harvey, like Dave, has put party over principle.

They have been bitching, even louder than us, about the war in Iraq, about the Patriot Act, and low and behold, they are supporting candidates that will only continue these failed policies and ideals.

Thanks for proving conclusively that don't know jack shit about me or who or what I support. If you had ever read my posts, you'd know I've been opposed to the war in Iraq since the Bushwhackos first lied us into it, and I certainly don't support continuing it.

If you still support the Bushwhackos' obscene war of LIES in Iraq, or you're still stupid enough to believe anything they say, you must be one of those children your TRAITOR IN CHIEF left behind. Got any other lies you want to post about me? :roll:

I guess they have evolved.

Too bad you haven't.

Is this why you're going to vote for a candidate next year who will keep us in Iraq? The only difference then, in 2009, is that you'll be praising and defending that President, for partisan reasons alone, even as they continue the war and expand the Patriot Act, not constantly spouting OMG TRAITOR IN CHIEF!!

How can you not see that this is why so many of us think you're a fsckin' blind idiot and don't take you seriously? How can we? You've made it all too clear that either you are completely deluded or you have no principles.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
This is rich. When I debate monetary policy, currency, and economic matters I am told...


"Ron Paul is a senator, a doctor, he knows more than you, a mere investment finance professional. Shut up with your stupid knowledge, you are a mere pissant compared to the intellectual genius that is Ron Paul. He knows everything about finanace, you know nothing!"

Now, that we see his true ignorance it's...

Ron Paul doesn't know everything, but he is still right"

Despite being trained in medicine, a hard science, he cannot distinguish between theory, theology, and science. His own training is in science, he should at least know how it works. Yet, somehow, he is an *expert* in a field he has no remote training in, other than reading bullshit books and making bullshit "theories".

It's funny that RP's bots are out supporting him, even now that he's stuck his foot in his mouth.

Look, just admit it, the guy is not an intellectual god. He knows somethings, has no idea on others, and has some downright ridiculous ideas in some places (monetary policy). However, despite some of these shortcomings, I still think he's better than any R candidate.

What is even more rich is your constant psychobabble about how much you know and how everyone else knows dick. This is nothing more than spin, of which, you are perpetuating. Evolutionary theory has nothing to do with being president no matter how much you want it to be. You may have points on monetary policy that make sense, but you are no means the authority on the subject. Besides, I'll take a 10 term congressman who's voting ethics haven't changed in 20yrs over you anti-Ron Paul spam bots any day. Put that ego stomp in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Citrix
why is this a important question to ask somebody who is running for office? i really dont give a crap and fail to see the connection.

Seriously.

There are too many real issues to discuss.

Fern

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
This is rich. When I debate monetary policy, currency, and economic matters I am told...


"Ron Paul is a senator, a doctor, he knows more than you, a mere investment finance professional. Shut up with your stupid knowledge, you are a mere pissant compared to the intellectual genius that is Ron Paul. He knows everything about finanace, you know nothing!"

Now, that we see his true ignorance it's...

Ron Paul doesn't know everything, but he is still right"

Despite being trained in medicine, a hard science, he cannot distinguish between theory, theology, and science. His own training is in science, he should at least know how it works. Yet, somehow, he is an *expert* in a field he has no remote training in, other than reading bullshit books and making bullshit "theories".

It's funny that RP's bots are out supporting him, even now that he's stuck his foot in his mouth.

Look, just admit it, the guy is not an intellectual god. He knows somethings, has no idea on others, and has some downright ridiculous ideas in some places (monetary policy). However, despite some of these shortcomings, I still think he's better than any R candidate.

What is even more rich is your constant psychobabble about how much you know and how everyone else knows dick. This is nothing more than spin, of which, you are perpetuating. Evolutionary theory has nothing to do with being president no matter how much you want it to be. You may have points on monetary policy that make sense, but you are no means the authority on the subject. Besides, I'll take a 10 term congressman who's voting ethics haven't changed in 20yrs over you anti-Ron Paul spam bots any day. Put that ego stomp in your pipe and smoke it.

ROFL, you call that an "ego stomp"? Please, that was a shill's pathetic attempt at saving their hero.

What RP's gaffe shows is that he doesn't really know what he's talking about. His lack of education in this area only highlights that he is missing education in other areas. Is he a smart guy? Undoubtedly, is he the smartest guy? Absolutely not. Furthermore, his education is in science, yet he doesn't even know what science is. However, his education is not anywhere near finance, yet you people treat his financial theories as fact.

I'll take a 0 term layman who knows something about science *AND* finance than any dipshit who merely pretends to know everything about both. You can blindly adhere to somebody's supposed intelligence, despite me beating the shit out of you guys *EVERY FVCKING DAY* on it, if you want, but you still have no ground to stand on. Keep adhering to RP's ridiculous theories instead of taking a more balanced approach.

Also, as far as me being an anti-Ron Paul guy, I donated 17.76 to his campaign 17 times, so shut the fvck up. I am not anti-RP, I am anti moron assholes who think they know everything by spamming his incorrect assumptions or looney conspiracy theories posted everywhere.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: bamacre
Evolution does not conflict with Christianity. Only a bunch of silly, uneducated Christians and anti-Christians would like to think so.

If you take the Bible literally, it says the world is 6,000 years old and that it was created in a matter of days. Some say that the word for "day" could represent eons, so who knows. What I do know is that most Christians reject the notion that we evolved from apes, and make it a point to note our elevated consciousness compared to the rest of the animal world.

No Christian that I know would turn their back on the book of Genesis in order to fully embrace the theory of evolution. IMO as a Christian you can embrace certain aspects of the theory, but certainly not all of it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree with bamacre.
If you take the Bible litterally then you are missing the point of "Faith" a word NOT synonymous with "Fact"

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
This is rich. When I debate monetary policy, currency, and economic matters I am told...


"Ron Paul is a senator, a doctor, he knows more than you, a mere investment finance professional. Shut up with your stupid knowledge, you are a mere pissant compared to the intellectual genius that is Ron Paul. He knows everything about finanace, you know nothing!"

Now, that we see his true ignorance it's...

Ron Paul doesn't know everything, but he is still right"

Despite being trained in medicine, a hard science, he cannot distinguish between theory, theology, and science. His own training is in science, he should at least know how it works. Yet, somehow, he is an *expert* in a field he has no remote training in, other than reading bullshit books and making bullshit "theories".

It's funny that RP's bots are out supporting him, even now that he's stuck his foot in his mouth.

Look, just admit it, the guy is not an intellectual god. He knows somethings, has no idea on others, and has some downright ridiculous ideas in some places (monetary policy). However, despite some of these shortcomings, I still think he's better than any R candidate.

What is even more rich is your constant psychobabble about how much you know and how everyone else knows dick. This is nothing more than spin, of which, you are perpetuating. Evolutionary theory has nothing to do with being president no matter how much you want it to be. You may have points on monetary policy that make sense, but you are no means the authority on the subject. Besides, I'll take a 10 term congressman who's voting ethics haven't changed in 20yrs over you anti-Ron Paul spam bots any day. Put that ego stomp in your pipe and smoke it.

ROFL, you call that an "ego stomp"? Please, that was a shill's pathetic attempt at saving their hero.

What RP's gaffe shows is that he doesn't really know what he's talking about. His lack of education in this area only highlights that he is missing education in other areas. Is he a smart guy? Undoubtedly, is he the smartest guy? Absolutely not. Furthermore, his education is in science, yet he doesn't even know what science is. However, his education is not anywhere near finance, yet you people treat his financial theories as fact.

I'll take a 0 term layman who knows something about science *AND* finance than any dipshit who merely pretends to know everything about both. You can blindly adhere to somebody's supposed intelligence, despite me beating the shit out of you guys *EVERY FVCKING DAY* on it, if you want, but you still have no ground to stand on. Keep adhering to RP's ridiculous theories instead of taking a more balanced approach.

Also, as far as me being an anti-Ron Paul guy, I donated 17.76 to his campaign 17 times, so shut the fvck up. I am not anti-RP, I am anti moron assholes who think they know everything by spamming his incorrect assumptions or looney conspiracy theories posted everywhere.

You? A supporter of Ron Paul? ROFL

You sure come off as an self centered egomaniac who knows better than anyone else. Maybe you do know more than many people here regarding monetary policy, but that in no way means you know better. I don't think the problem is your knowledge, its your ego. Get that checked out.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: bamacre
Evolution does not conflict with Christianity. Only a bunch of silly, uneducated Christians and anti-Christians would like to think so.

If you take the Bible literally, it says the world is 6,000 years old and that it was created in a matter of days. Some say that the word for "day" could represent eons, so who knows. What I do know is that most Christians reject the notion that we evolved from apes, and make it a point to note our elevated consciousness compared to the rest of the animal world.

No Christian that I know would turn their back on the book of Genesis in order to fully embrace the theory of evolution. IMO as a Christian you can embrace certain aspects of the theory, but certainly not all of it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Yours is a common misunderstanding, but you are wrong. What you are doing is misinterpreting a "literal" interpretation that is, for the most part, unique to fundamental Christians of modern North America and then asserting that it is a belief common to all Christians worldwide.
I'm not a Christian myself, but my advice to you would be to actually read the Bible (and more than just one translation) before you start telling other people what it says.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
This is rich. When I debate monetary policy, currency, and economic matters I am told...


"Ron Paul is a senator, a doctor, he knows more than you, a mere investment finance professional. Shut up with your stupid knowledge, you are a mere pissant compared to the intellectual genius that is Ron Paul. He knows everything about finanace, you know nothing!"

Now, that we see his true ignorance it's...

Ron Paul doesn't know everything, but he is still right"

Despite being trained in medicine, a hard science, he cannot distinguish between theory, theology, and science. His own training is in science, he should at least know how it works. Yet, somehow, he is an *expert* in a field he has no remote training in, other than reading bullshit books and making bullshit "theories".

It's funny that RP's bots are out supporting him, even now that he's stuck his foot in his mouth.

Look, just admit it, the guy is not an intellectual god. He knows somethings, has no idea on others, and has some downright ridiculous ideas in some places (monetary policy). However, despite some of these shortcomings, I still think he's better than any R candidate.

What is even more rich is your constant psychobabble about how much you know and how everyone else knows dick. This is nothing more than spin, of which, you are perpetuating. Evolutionary theory has nothing to do with being president no matter how much you want it to be. You may have points on monetary policy that make sense, but you are no means the authority on the subject. Besides, I'll take a 10 term congressman who's voting ethics haven't changed in 20yrs over you anti-Ron Paul spam bots any day. Put that ego stomp in your pipe and smoke it.

ROFL, you call that an "ego stomp"? Please, that was a shill's pathetic attempt at saving their hero.

What RP's gaffe shows is that he doesn't really know what he's talking about. His lack of education in this area only highlights that he is missing education in other areas. Is he a smart guy? Undoubtedly, is he the smartest guy? Absolutely not. Furthermore, his education is in science, yet he doesn't even know what science is. However, his education is not anywhere near finance, yet you people treat his financial theories as fact.

I'll take a 0 term layman who knows something about science *AND* finance than any dipshit who merely pretends to know everything about both. You can blindly adhere to somebody's supposed intelligence, despite me beating the shit out of you guys *EVERY FVCKING DAY* on it, if you want, but you still have no ground to stand on. Keep adhering to RP's ridiculous theories instead of taking a more balanced approach.

Also, as far as me being an anti-Ron Paul guy, I donated 17.76 to his campaign 17 times, so shut the fvck up. I am not anti-RP, I am anti moron assholes who think they know everything by spamming his incorrect assumptions or looney conspiracy theories posted everywhere.

You? A supporter of Ron Paul? ROFL

You sure come off as an self centered egomaniac who knows better than anyone else. Maybe you do know more than many people here regarding monetary policy, but that in no way means you know better. I don't think the problem is your knowledge, its your ego. Get that checked out.

Yes, me as a RP supporter. See, the difference is, I disagree with what I know and stay out of what I don't. I KNOW certain things, I KNOW RP's stance on monetary policy and economics is ridiculous. I *DON'T* know nearly as much about other items, which is why I never discuss them. For example, in the housing thread, mshan tried to discuss mortgage pricing with Vic, I have absolutely no clue about mortgage pricing, since I have never owned a house, nor have I ever really paid attention to mortgage pricing. I *DO* know the macroeconomic trends of housing and RMBS performance, which is where I debate Vic more.

I debate many sides of different arguments. In some cases I am very much like RP, in others, I am very different. However, unlike some people, I am able to distinguish between who can best represent me, how they espouse their position, and why I should vote for them. Conversely, I am able to understand what portions of their positions are pure bullshit. That's where you have a problem, you can't stand the idea that I'd disagree with you (and be blunt about it), but you can't counter it. Thus you just call me an egomaniac and move on. Or your other alternative is to say I am anti-Ron Paul.

Many people have tried to pigeon-hole me into Republican, Democrat, or whatever. It just doesn't work. I agree or disagree with all sides on multitudes of issues. Frankly, RP fits my most important issues the best, which is why I have a better than 50% chance of voting for him if he gets on the ticket.

Self-centered egomaniac? I couldn't agree more, in the area of finance. See, the difference between you and I is that I am comfortable with myself. I probably know more than anybody here about monetary policy and I have never been countered effectively. I certainly know more, and better, than any of you RP people who have tried to argue with me. In fact, every one of you fools makes a monetary thread, I bitchslap you guys around, then you promptly exit the thread. I can post multiple threads here that shows this.

I don't have to get my ego checked out, it's just fine. Perhaps you have a problem with it, but I don't. I can't count how many people have PM'd me saying "good job" with my financial posts.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
This is rich. When I debate monetary policy, currency, and economic matters I am told...


"Ron Paul is a senator, a doctor, he knows more than you, a mere investment finance professional. Shut up with your stupid knowledge, you are a mere pissant compared to the intellectual genius that is Ron Paul. He knows everything about finanace, you know nothing!"

Now, that we see his true ignorance it's...

Ron Paul doesn't know everything, but he is still right"

Despite being trained in medicine, a hard science, he cannot distinguish between theory, theology, and science. His own training is in science, he should at least know how it works. Yet, somehow, he is an *expert* in a field he has no remote training in, other than reading bullshit books and making bullshit "theories".

It's funny that RP's bots are out supporting him, even now that he's stuck his foot in his mouth.

Look, just admit it, the guy is not an intellectual god. He knows somethings, has no idea on others, and has some downright ridiculous ideas in some places (monetary policy). However, despite some of these shortcomings, I still think he's better than any R candidate.

What is even more rich is your constant psychobabble about how much you know and how everyone else knows dick. This is nothing more than spin, of which, you are perpetuating. Evolutionary theory has nothing to do with being president no matter how much you want it to be. You may have points on monetary policy that make sense, but you are no means the authority on the subject. Besides, I'll take a 10 term congressman who's voting ethics haven't changed in 20yrs over you anti-Ron Paul spam bots any day. Put that ego stomp in your pipe and smoke it.

ROFL, you call that an "ego stomp"? Please, that was a shill's pathetic attempt at saving their hero.

What RP's gaffe shows is that he doesn't really know what he's talking about. His lack of education in this area only highlights that he is missing education in other areas. Is he a smart guy? Undoubtedly, is he the smartest guy? Absolutely not. Furthermore, his education is in science, yet he doesn't even know what science is. However, his education is not anywhere near finance, yet you people treat his financial theories as fact.

I'll take a 0 term layman who knows something about science *AND* finance than any dipshit who merely pretends to know everything about both. You can blindly adhere to somebody's supposed intelligence, despite me beating the shit out of you guys *EVERY FVCKING DAY* on it, if you want, but you still have no ground to stand on. Keep adhering to RP's ridiculous theories instead of taking a more balanced approach.

Also, as far as me being an anti-Ron Paul guy, I donated 17.76 to his campaign 17 times, so shut the fvck up. I am not anti-RP, I am anti moron assholes who think they know everything by spamming his incorrect assumptions or looney conspiracy theories posted everywhere.

You? A supporter of Ron Paul? ROFL

You sure come off as an self centered egomaniac who knows better than anyone else. Maybe you do know more than many people here regarding monetary policy, but that in no way means you know better. I don't think the problem is your knowledge, its your ego. Get that checked out.

Yes, me as a RP supporter. See, the difference is, I disagree with what I know and stay out of what I don't. I KNOW certain things, I KNOW RP's stance on monetary policy and economics is ridiculous. I *DON'T* know nearly as much about other items, which is why I never discuss them. For example, in the housing thread, mshan tried to discuss mortgage pricing with Vic, I have absolutely no clue about mortgage pricing, since I have never owned a house, nor have I ever really paid attention to mortgage pricing. I *DO* know the macroeconomic trends of housing and RMBS performance, which is where I debate Vic more.

I debate many sides of different arguments. In some cases I am very much like RP, in others, I am very different. However, unlike some people, I am able to distinguish between who can best represent me, how they espouse their position, and why I should vote for them. Conversely, I am able to understand what portions of their positions are pure bullshit. That's where you have a problem, you can't stand the idea that I'd disagree with you (and be blunt about it), but you can't counter it. Thus you just call me an egomaniac and move on. Or your other alternative is to say I am anti-Ron Paul.

Many people have tried to pigeon-hole me into Republican, Democrat, or whatever. It just doesn't work. I agree or disagree with all sides on multitudes of issues. Frankly, RP fits my most important issues the best, which is why I have a better than 50% chance of voting for him if he gets on the ticket.

Self-centered egomaniac? I couldn't agree more, in the area of finance. See, the difference between you and I is that I am comfortable with myself. I probably know more than anybody here about monetary policy and I have never been countered effectively. I certainly know more, and better, than any of you RP people who have tried to argue with me. In fact, every one of you fools makes a monetary thread, I bitchslap you guys around, then you promptly exit the thread. I can post multiple threads here that shows this.

I don't have to get my ego checked out, it's just fine. Perhaps you have a problem with it, but I don't. I can't count how many people have PM'd me saying "good job" with my financial posts.

Well I'm happy that you are getting your ego socks off. I really don't get your asshole attitude though. "bitchslap"? ROFL bitch please! We have discussed monetary policy before and you NEVER bitchslapped me. Nor will you EVER.

I don't have to get my ego checked out, it's just fine.

Says you? Take it to a psychologist and we'll see then. :laugh:

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Well I'm happy that you are getting your ego socks off. I really don't get your asshole attitude though. "bitchslap"? ROFL bitch please! We have discussed monetary policy before and you NEVER bitchslapped me. Nor will you EVER.

I don't have to get my ego checked out, it's just fine.

Says you? Take it to a psychologist and we'll see then. :laugh:

Then try to come back into them, instead of running like every other RP-bot. I have smacked you and everybody else around like a read headed stepchild and I'll continue to do so. It's quite easy since you guys are high on conspiracy and low on any real knowledge.

Well, I am quite good at guaging my own psychological well being, considering that I graduated with a BS in psychology and took several masters level courses in the process. I also have a minor in history.

So, I guess that makes me better than RP in three things, psychology, history, and finance, since I am good in all three. Yet, somehow, he fails in basic science, where his original education lies.

Interesting.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson


PLEASE don't be as naive as getting a hang on the word "theory".... you know, relativity is also a theory... So is probability... so is gravity... there's also a little thing known as "Theory of Computation"...this doesn't mean the concepts are, somehow, irrelevant or false...

If your mind is so skewed towards creationism and the existence of God, that's fine with me... I mean, I can't stop wondering about your blinders, but I can't and won't force you to change your views. I'll just quote Laplace: "I don't need the God hypothesis".

BTW, congratulations on making me fall into the trap of responding you, thus contradicting my previous post... :laugh:

Please show me where I said I believe, follow, or endorse the concept of creationism. I don't and more or less think our boy Darwin was on the right track and many after him have expanded on his ideas in a great way. What I know is that it is not proven fact, merely a supported theory and therefore open to interpretation and change as new evidence comes to light. We still are far from completely understanding our origins. Did a greater power play a part in that, imo yes but that's open to debate and certainly requires a certain level of faith be it in God, Allah, or Buddha.

However, you've missed my point completely so let me attempt to make it a little more clear. We KNOW that we have a problem in Iraq. We KNOW our economy is in a degree of trouble. We KNOW that our credibility as a nation has been seriously damaged. We KNOW that our borders are insecure in a time when we're screaming security is our number one concern and we're attacking and threatening to attack counties based on that perceived threat. The level of importance of these issues far outweighs the theological beliefs of one man.

What is theory in all of this is to what level of urgency do we need to address those issues and what importance do they carry vs the religious beliefs of a potential POTUS. I say his religious beliefs fall well short of the issues we're facing as a nation but do not find it surprising that many people will or will not vote for him based purely on the fact that he doesn't accept the Theory of Evolution as patent fact. If you would let our nation live or die based on a man's religious beliefs rather than his voting record and policy, you are one of the many that have lead us into the mess we're in now. I'm not saying that his religious beliefs have no bearing whatsoever, merely that there are many (imo) factors which are far more important. If he was voting to enforce religious ideals of his own on the rest of us I'd reject him as a candidate in a second. His voting record shows that is not the case however.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Yeah, who gives a shit that he voted against the war in Iraq, who gives a shit that he voted against the Patriot Act?

That's the good news. He got something right.

If you think the misunderstanding of evolution is the biggest problem in this country, do us all a favor. Don't vote.

Regardless of being right on Iraq and the < gag > "Patriot" Act, that's really bad news. I wouldn't consider voting for anyone stupid enough to dismiss evolution as "just a theory" with absolutely no clue about what a scientific theory is or who would describe it as a "theological question."

We've alreadyt had more than enough shit for brains religious idealogues as President for one century.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Citrix
why is this a important question to ask somebody who is running for office? i really dont give a crap and fail to see the connection.

Because we once had a nice thing in this country called separation of church and state.

so religious people can't be elected to office?

Of course religious people can be elected to office. I never said anything differently. Citrix asked what the connection was between denying evolution and being elected president. My explanation is that in this country today science and scientific reasoning is under attack. In our classrooms there is a full assault on evolution and a push to include creationism in the classroom. That is a clear violation of separation of church and state. We cannot stand by and let religion infiltrate our society and undermine our children's education.

Hence, I'm extremely apprehensive of any candidate that denies evolution.