Ron Paul pulls into second in Iowa

[NeoV]

Ron Paul is the GOP version of Kucinich - a guy with his own set of principles, half crazy, 100% un-electable - him running every election is just throwing money away

 

[RabidMongoose]

Ron Paul is the GOP version of Kucinich - a guy with his own set of principles, half crazy, 100% un-electable - him running every election is just throwing money away

Well also the fact that Paul is a massive racist.

 

[Dman8777]

Well also the fact that Paul is a massive racist.

Being racist is in-and-of-itself probably not too detrimental for winning the republican primary this year. It's the other Paul baggage that will hinder his success.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Being racist is in-and-of-itself probably not too detrimental for winning the republican primary this year. It's the other Paul baggage that will hinder his success.

I bet it wil be detrimental. They want someone who can beat Obama and a massive racist loon like Ron Paul has no chance against Obama. Look at Paul right now. The crazy frail old man can't even handle any questions about his racist past. Imagine how he'll be if the entire national media actually takes a look at his loony tunes shit.

 

[airdata]

Ron Paul is the GOP version of Kucinich - a guy with his own set of principles, half crazy, 100% un-electable - him running every election is just throwing money away

What do you call it when a slimy establishment shill like Gingrich runs?

 

[soundforbjt]

What do you call it when a slimy establishment shill like Gingrich runs?

Short term memory loss and desperation by the repub party.

 

[airdata]

Short term memory loss and desperation by the repub party.

Do you think they'll pull sarah palin out in a month or 2?

 

[soundforbjt]

Do you think they'll pull sarah palin out in a month or 2?

Not unless they're stupider than they appear to be at this point.

 

[Chainspell]

I bet it wil be detrimental. They want someone who can beat Obama and a massive racist loon like Ron Paul has no chance against Obama. Look at Paul right now. The crazy frail old man can't even handle any questions about his racist past. Imagine how he'll be if the entire national media actually takes a look at his loony tunes shit.

Lol your hatred of Ron Paul is very entertaining.

We're very happy that you keep binging this up.

-Sent from my phone.

 

[Ozoned]

Ron who?

 

[Chainspell]

Well also the fact that Paul is a massive racist.

Yeah he's a racist

-Sent from my phone.

 

[UberNeuman]

Yeah he's a racist

-Sent from my phone.

Would you not admit that these "newsletters" are problematic for Dr. Paul? Either he wrote them or (by lack of admission) lends his voice to those that believe the bullshit espoused in them....

 

[CallMeJoe]

Would you not admit that these "newsletters" are problematic for Dr. Paul? Either he wrote them or (by lack of admission) lends his voice to those that believe the bullshit espoused in them....

...or willingly allowed his name to be used by unknown agents on a newsletter he couldn't be bothered to read himself...

 

[UberNeuman]

...or willingly allowed his name to be used by unknown agents on a newsletter he couldn't be bothered to read himself...

All in all, it comes down to this: if he didn't write these little ditties - then who did?

His name is on it....

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

 

[CallMeJoe]

All in all, it comes down to this: if he didn't write these little ditties - then who did?
His name is on it....
"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

I should have been more clearly critical; Even if one assumes Dr. Paul entirely innocent of the racism evident in these newsletters, his claimed ignorance of their publication under his name does not speak well of his judgement or competence.

 

[UberNeuman]

I should have been more clearly critical; Even if one assumes Dr. Paul entirely innocent of the racism evident in these newsletters, his claimed ignorance of their publication under his name does not speak well of his judgement or competence.

Let's take it a step further - do the Dr. Paul supporters find these statements assigned to him to be in error - or are they just in tacit agreement?

any Dr. Paul supporters care to chime in?

 

[Chainspell]

Let's take it a step further - do the Dr. Paul supporters find these statements assigned to him to be in error - or are they just in tacit agreement?

any Dr. Paul supporters care to chime in?

I believe what he said and of what happened. And I can honestly say that it can happen to anybody. Aside from that I have nothing to add.

-Sent from my phone.

 

[Chainspell]

I believe what he said and of what happened. And I can honestly say that it can happen to anybody. Aside from that I have nothing to add.

-Sent from my phone.

Actually I do have something to add. If he really is a racist and more importantly if he practices a racist life, you will be able to find more evidence than just this newsletter. Right?

You think he's a closet racist who accidentally came out of the closet at one point in his life? Lol. Laughable...

Oh he probably had all his friends killed who knew about his secret life too...
-Sent from my phone.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I believe what he said and of what happened. And I can honestly say that it can happen to anybody. Aside from that I have nothing to add.

-Sent from my phone.

Publishing racist newsletters under one's own name for more than 15 years, and making millions of dollars in the process, while a member of Congress, all the while not knowing the content of the newsletters, is something that can happen to anybody? I find that a problematic argument given that only a very small percentage of Americans will ever serve in Congress, and in any event it has never happened to anyone else in human history to the best of my knowledge.

I must say (and I'm not taking a shot by saying this), I am impressed with the tenacity of Paul supporters. It appears that nothing can shake your confidence in him. It's interesting and impressive that he can achieve that sort of loyalty. I don't think he deserves it, but it is remarkable in any event.

 

[airdata]

Ron Paul is the GOP version of Kucinich - a guy with his own set of principles, half crazy, 100% un-electable - him running every election is just throwing money away

I don't feel the money I donated to his campaign was wasted. What Ron Paul is doing is opening people's eyes to the level of BS in our political process. Ron Paul is out there showing everybody just what a joke the whole process is.

I do hate all of the "Unelectable" comments ant what not, and hell... I even believe it just because so many people parrot that statement and say it as if it's just common knowledge.

In Ron Paul's case it really is... Electing an honest man into the office of POTUS is a pipedream. Ron Paul has crushed the competition in debates which is really where people should be looking to decide who they are voting for. However, the debate platform itself is largely flawwed since some of them are moderated by asshats who work for fox news and show clear bias while conducting the debate. Stuff like that should not exist in our political process. Some snarky asshole from fox news shouldn't be moderating a debate of candidates to lead our country. That's absurd.

But anyhow. Lets see how Iowa goes and see how dumb people sound after Ron Paul wins Iowa. I'm not saying if that happens he's winning the election or anything

But if a guy like Romney or Gingrich wins Iowa, the media and lots of people are going to treat it like a huge deal just like when Michelle Bachman placed first in a strawpull and they omitted Ron Paul's second place entry to talk about whoever was in third, then ignored the majority of other straw pulls that Ron Paul has won because they're meaningless if he wins.

Actually I do have something to add. If he really is a racist and more importantly if he practices a racist life, you will be able to find more evidence than just this newsletter. Right?
You think he's a closet racist who accidentally came out of the closet at one point in his life? Lol. Laughable...
Oh he probably had all his friends killed who knew about his secret life too...
-Sent from my phone.

Exactly. It's a joke. Everything Ron Paul does now clearly shows he's not a racist. I'll even humor the dolts here and say he did write those things in the newsletter of which most weren't racist at all. It's irrelevant. What he's shown in the past years and up to the present shows that he's clearly not a racist.

Newt Gingrich on the other hand just said that an entire race of people is "invented"... pandering or not, it's still ultra racist.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Exactly. It's a joke. Everything Ron Paul does now clearly shows he's not a racist. I'll even humor the dolts here and say he did write those things in the newsletter of which most weren't racist at all. It's irrelevant. What he's shown in the past years and up to the present shows that he's clearly not a racist.

Newt Gingrich on the other hand just said that an entire race of people is "invented"... pandering or not, it's still ultra racist.

I don't see that Paul has done anything (other than saying he is not a racist) to "clearly show he's not a racist." I think his 15+ years of racist newsletters, published until he was nearly 60 years old, trumps that. As for Gingrich, I think his comments were stupid but he didn't say a race was "invented" - he said the nation of Palestine was invented. Palestinian is not a race - Palestinians are ethnically Arab. Our own nation was created by white Anglo-Saxons - they didn't become ethnically "American" on July 4, 1776.

 

[Anarchist420]

I don't see that Paul has done anything (other than saying he is not a racist) to "clearly show he's not a racist." I think his 15+ years of racist newsletters, published until he was nearly 60 years old, trumps that. As for Gingrich, I think his comments were stupid but he didn't say a race was "invented" - he said the nation of Palestine was invented. Palestinian is not a race - Palestinians are ethnically Arab. Our own nation was created by white Anglo-Saxons - they didn't become ethnically "American" on July 4, 1776.

Dr. Paul has said that the minimum wage, drug war, and inflation hurts blacks.

The head of the NAACP of Austin said he wasn't racist. Like I said, the very people the neocons want to be offended aren't. He has a Hispanics of Ron Paul on facebook FFS. He could lose votes from white supremacists for that.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Dr. Paul has said that the minimum wage, drug war, and inflation hurts blacks.

The head of the NAACP of Austin said he wasn't racist. Like I said, the very people the neocons want to be offended aren't. He has a Hispanics of Ron Paul on facebook FFS. He could lose votes from white supremacists for that.

He is from Texas. If Hispanics are misguided enough to support him, he'd be stupid to reject that. He is also by far the favored candidate on stormfront.org. Similarly, why wouldn't he try to broaden his support by arguing that his favorite positions would, if adopted, also help black people? (With respect to that, he is certainly right that drug law reform would help them, along with every other ethnicity.)

I don't see how the head of the Austin NAACP could possibly know whether he is in fact racist or not - one wonders whether he was aware of the newsletters when he said that.

By the way, I don't think Paul's past adoption of bigotry necessarily makes him a bigot - to some extent he may have just been playing to his crowd. Ironically his unwillingness to take responsibility for all of it bothers me more than the newsletters themselves - he just seems to lack character.

I know none of this will change your mind. I suspect that videotape of him committing a lynching wouldn't change your mind. As I have said before, I find the tenacity of Paul supporters just remarkable in that way. Speaking only for myself, I was ambivalent about Paul prior to the revelations about the newsletters, but now I find him completely unpalatable as a candidate.

 

[Chainspell]

Alot of you still don't get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej5_rZof7MA

 

[Chainspell]

I must say (and I'm not taking a shot by saying this), I am impressed with the tenacity of Paul supporters. It appears that nothing can shake your confidence in him. It's interesting and impressive that he can achieve that sort of loyalty. I don't think he deserves it, but it is remarkable in any event.

I wonder why? you should start wondering too... and look into the facts... stop using your old brain and your old heart. really listen, and judge for yourself.

once you're awake there's no going back. and it's only a matter of time before everyone wakes up. the question is, are you an early adopter or the lagger.

They say 2.5% of the population are innovators.
13.5% are early adopters
34% are early Majority
34% are late Majority
15% late mass
1% laggers

This is the law of diffusion of innovation.
http://chrismaloney.files.wordpress...-diffusion-of-innovation-maloneys-16-rule.jpg

we're on the tipping point right now, and when it tips... none of us early adopters will call you names. we'll just say "we're glad you finally made it".