Now comes the waiting...also, how is the overclocking on that card? I'm looking forward to another LeadTek card with some of their big custom HS's...if the ES (yours is an engineering sample, correct?) NU overclocks well then their 6800 offering will definitely be my card of choice...also, if you an extra monitor sitting around, let me know if it can dual-screen without any problems. I didn't pay 500 bucks for 2 monitors to have them not work on a 250 dollar card...and nobody benches/tests for us weirdos, so it can be a shot in the dark for us.
Compared to what other $300MSRP cards is the 6800 performing poorly, General?
The X800 Pro MSRP $400 is getting beat 15/14fps by it's direct competitor the $400 MSRP 6800GT on the AA/AF benches on the page I linked.
Meanwhile, it's only managing to beat the 6800NU by 11/8fps even though it's MSRP is $100 (33%) higher.
When you consider the 6800NU is splitting the difference between last gen's fastest card (9800XT) and this gen's second fastest ATI card (x800 Pro) for $100 less MSRP than the Pro, and is available for $300 at eVGA with Far Cry bundled, I'd say it does very well.
What does ATI have selling for what amounts to $259 that comes close to the power of a 6800, General? How do you think the guys who paid $400+ for 9800XTs this year feel about seeing it smacked down by a $259 card?
How do you feel seeing the $400 midrange GT offering performance that close to your $500 MSRP XT?
Or about the what Crytek is saying about SM3 and it's potential?
Tough to have bet on ATI this time
Best of all:
Too bad, so sad General. With my "poor performing" 6800 I'll be able to see the game with HDR on patch 1.3. You can keep looking at your PS2, rendered in many passes version ol buddy!
To give ATI it's due, Far Cry will be one of a couple games that uses their 3dc compression, so any performance lead they lost with SM3 they may regain with 3Dc. However; they still won't be able to see the game as the developers intended with the HDR, so people's choice will fall to slightly faster old features card or slightly slower HDR card- tough choice there!
nealh:
The 6800NU is very quiet, I can't hear it. I've seen reviews that say it is very quiet as well. I haven't done much with OCing, in general I don't OC vid cards unless I know there are big gains to be had (e.g. when I OCd my 5800NU from 400/800 to 500/1000) and I haven't seen any big performance gains in reviews on OCd 6800s that I can remember.
Probably the same way the guys who shelled out big bucks for a 5950U feel.Originally posted by: Rollo
How do you think the guys who paid $400+ for 9800XTs this year feel about seeing it smacked down by a $259 card?
I suppose it does, if you like/want to use Nvidia demos as your benchmark.
It only did that in the first demo. In the rest of them it got beat by 40%+. Regardless, it doesn't matter which $400 card does the owning. The fact that a $400 card so drastically (doubles in some cases) beats a $300 card makes the latter a piece of garbage.
Not in this game. Look at how many times it gets beat by the 9800 XT in your benches. And if the 9800 XT is beating it the 9800 Pro isn't that far behind.
Considering only rich people bought a 9800 XT, they probably don't care. And its not a $259 card.
I guess that depends on what you define by close. I only paid $50 more than a GT for my XT, and it gives a solid, very noticable performance jump in today's more demanding games. I got it at least a month (more likely 2 or 3) before I would have obtained a GT. I can play Farcry at 1600x1200 with max eye candy (a setting in which the XT obliterates the GT, even now, and more importantly, that the GT is unplayable in), and I have a 1600x1200 6x usuable AA in every other game on the market.
I hope you enjoy the 20 fps slideshow you get with all those effects on.
$300 is not a small amount of money to spend on a video card. I doubt you'd find many people who would spend $300 but would absolutely be unwilling to drop $400 to increase their performance by such huge margins.
General we know your a "red card" nazi and all man but point out how you know for a fact that with HDR youll be getting a 20FPS slide show.
Honestly Im interested in this.
Honestly Im interested in this.
Originally posted by: Rollo
Compared to what other $300MSRP cards is the 6800 performing poorly, General?
The X800 Pro MSRP $400 is getting beat 15/14fps by it's direct competitor the $400 MSRP 6800GT on the AA/AF benches on the page I linked.
Meanwhile, it's only managing to beat the 6800NU by 11/8fps even though it's MSRP is $100 (33%) higher.
When you consider the 6800NU is splitting the difference between last gen's fastest card (9800XT) and this gen's second fastest ATI card (x800 Pro) for $100 less MSRP than the Pro, and is available for $300 at eVGA with Far Cry bundled, I'd say it does very well.
What does ATI have selling for what amounts to $259 that comes close to the power of a 6800, General? How do you think the guys who paid $400+ for 9800XTs this year feel about seeing it smacked down by a $259 card?
At least be consistent Rollo! You compare the 6800GT and X800 cards by their MSRP, yet your card is exempt from this rule and it is a "$259 card." A lot of people running X800 Pro and XT's paid >$50 below MSRP for theirs.
With that said, your results do look good (in terms of % increase for SM3). But to compare your "$259 card" with, say, someone's X800 Pro that he got a month ago for $330, it's not the lights-out comparison you make it out to be.
Jeff7181
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Damn... what's with all the arguing? I think we're all capable of reading the numbers... we can all read and count. Rollo is one of the lucky few to own one of these cards and was kind enough to take the time to post the results from all the tests he did for all of us to see. Go compare penis size in another thread... this was supposed to be informative, not a debate.
Come on man you know very well there cannot be a thread about either company that stays civil for more than 3 posts....after that people just start attacking for no reason
you know.. the vanilla 6800 certainly seems like a good performer for it's price, but come on rollo.. your remarks seem riddled with fanboiesque comments...
it doesn't outperform an x800pro, let alone an XT. with sm3 in certain areas it does appear to "best" the more expensive card, but i'd certainly be interested in seeing overall performance rather than specific ones nvidia chose.
it's not a $259 card (you are, after all quoting msrp of the other cards).
you're trying to convice us that fp32 HDR will look significantly better than FP24 HDR? you're not seriously expecting us to buy that, are you? there will be little, if any visual differences nvidia and ati this generation. period.
also, since i don't have my GT yet, if you wouldn't mind, could you download benchemall (it's free) so the benchmarks are somewhat standardized and be compared by others? you'll have to run a custom config for aa/af scores (if you have questions, i can walk ya thru). thanks!
it doesn't outperform an x800pro, let alone an XT. with sm3 in certain areas it does appear to "best" the more expensive card, but i'd certainly be interested in seeing overall performance rather than specific ones nvidia chose.
it's not a $259 card (you are, after all quoting msrp of the other cards).
you're trying to convice us that fp32 HDR will look significantly better than FP24 HDR? you're not seriously expecting us to buy that, are you? there will be little, if any visual differences nvidia and ati this generation. period.
also, since i don't have my GT yet, if you wouldn't mind, could you download benchemall (it's free) so the benchmarks are somewhat standardized and be compared by others? you'll have to run a custom config for aa/af scores (if you have questions, i can walk ya thru). thanks!
Not just that. He consistently theorizes interesting reasons why XT was available for under MSRP at some places.:roll: ATI has secret info you see, the CIA was involved.
Well, the 6800 is already a slow card. Its not like the GT or Ultra where you can tack on the effects and be amazed, with the vanilla 6800 you're cutting deep into an already low framerate unless you like 1024x768.
And given this, I honestly cannot believe the validity of Rollo's results.
The filtering Rollo's eyes use to see the screen is at a lower precision than ATi's Quadrilinear Supersampled Rotated Grid Multi-Angle Anisotropic Aliasing algorithm.
Hax.
All hax.
Hax.
All hax.
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Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Originally posted by: Rollo
Compared to what other $300MSRP cards is the 6800 performing poorly, General?
The X800 Pro MSRP $400 is getting beat 15/14fps by it's direct competitor the $400 MSRP 6800GT on the AA/AF benches on the page I linked.
Meanwhile, it's only managing to beat the 6800NU by 11/8fps even though it's MSRP is $100 (33%) higher.
When you consider the 6800NU is splitting the difference between last gen's fastest card (9800XT) and this gen's second fastest ATI card (x800 Pro) for $100 less MSRP than the Pro, and is available for $300 at eVGA with Far Cry bundled, I'd say it does very well.
What does ATI have selling for what amounts to $259 that comes close to the power of a 6800, General? How do you think the guys who paid $400+ for 9800XTs this year feel about seeing it smacked down by a $259 card?
At least be consistent Rollo! You compare the 6800GT and X800 cards by their MSRP, yet your card is exempt from this rule and it is a "$259 card." A lot of people running X800 Pro and XT's paid >$50 below MSRP for theirs.
With that said, your results do look good (in terms of % increase for SM3). But to compare your "$259 card" with, say, someone's X800 Pro that he got a month ago for $330, it's not the lights-out comparison you make it out to be.
And a lot of people paid 209.00 for a 6800. What's your point?
I love how the ATi fans say that HDR lighting will cause a slideshow... but i bet their precious 9800 Pros will even be able to do it.
Cainam:
From the sounds of it, there won't be any HDR for the ATI cards at all?
http://www.firingsquad.com/features/crytek_far_cry/page2.asp
From the sounds of it, there won't be any HDR for the ATI cards at all?
http://www.firingsquad.com/features/crytek_far_cry/page2.asp
ATI has no FP32 blending, and he stated Far Cry requires it?
hmm.. well, according to that, i am incorrect in that respect. can't argue with the developer, heh. my apologies
Thanks Jeff.
Happy to be of service.
The General is right about one thing: the 6800NU is not as fast of a card as the X800 Pro, and I don't think it was designed to be.
As long as MSRP on the X800 Pro is $400, and MSRP on the GT is $400, I'd say those are the comparable cards.
If a person doesn't want to spend $400 on a video card that will be worth $200 in 9 months, the 6800NU offers performance between a 9800XT and a X800Pro for $300, and includes Far Cry if you buy it from eVGA.
I don't see how that's a bad thing, unless you're just trying to sell ATI cards? Or maybe the General is just one of those people who thinks a $400 video card is actually a "status symbol", instead of something anyone with a job could buy?
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I too have to thank Rollo. Since there is little real benchmarks out there to compare the value cards and the top dogs he did a good service.
300 dollars is an amazing value considering some 9800XT's are still over 300 dollars. I just had to point that out, lol. Would you rather have a 9800xt for more than to have a 6800 that performs 20-50+% better?
300 dollars is an amazing value considering some 9800XT's are still over 300 dollars. I just had to point that out, lol. Would you rather have a 9800xt for more than to have a 6800 that performs 20-50+% better?
Cainam:
The man who came here and told us he can see the moving transitions between the mip bands in "trylinear" owes me no apologies.
:beer:
I'd give you some similar cons on the 6800 if I could, but I haven't seen anything I don't like, especially for the price point. The only thing I've seen both in personal experience and reviews is that it doesn't seem to be much for OCing, which doesn't matter much to me.
The man who came here and told us he can see the moving transitions between the mip bands in "trylinear" owes me no apologies.
:beer:I'd give you some similar cons on the 6800 if I could, but I haven't seen anything I don't like, especially for the price point. The only thing I've seen both in personal experience and reviews is that it doesn't seem to be much for OCing, which doesn't matter much to me.
I am being consistent Jiffy. I don't think you can compare the 6800NU and X800Pro because they are $100 apart in MSRP, and the GT and Pro have the same MSRP.
I'm just saying for $300 with Far Cry included the 6800 would seem to be close to this gen's 4200. That's a lot of gaming goodness for the buck.
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