Rollo's Far Cry SM3.0 Benchmarks

[GeneralGrievous]

I'd obviously never say a $300 NU is a good deal compared to a $330 GT, but I can only use MSRP and what most people people pay as a start point

I didn't realize the MSRP of the 6800 was $259. Though perhaps it should be. While the GT has only been around for that price as a result of store error, there was a $330 Pro recently. And at that price, picking it over the 6800 is a no brainer.

But at $400, the Pro is only a good buy for anyone daring enough to go for the hardmod.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Rollo
I'd obviously never say a $300 NU is a good deal compared to a $330 GT, but I can only use MSRP and what most people people pay as a start point.

so where can i get a $330 GT?

You'll have to ask the Little General Cainam.
In his magical world, MSRP and normal prices mean nothing.
Preorders that never arrive, obscure sites, and people having typographical errors honored are the standard for pricing.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

In his magical world, MSRP and normal prices mean nothing.

So again I ask you: If MSRP is everything why are you claiming the 6800 is $259 or that it comes with a free Farcry game? If you want to compare MSRP thats fine but you might want to do so with both cards.

 

[Keysplayr]

Would anyone mind if we got back to the thread topic? Or is that too much of me to ask.. Just let me know.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Would anyone mind if we got back to the thread topic? Or is that too much of me to ask.. Just let me know.

It may be too much to ask for UT2004 unfortunately. I had Benchemall working on it, now it doesn't seem to. As you may know, they took the benchmarking utility out of the game, which annoys me. I had read online that you could copy in the benchmark.exe from 3204, but the flybys don't work. I found neither moved my guy around and that moving him myself yielded unrealistic scores:
16X12, 4X8X, sound on, Holy Sh*t settings: Flyby with me flying it 95 Botmatch with me fighting 62

I played Maul at those settings with the counter on and 5 bots and got 30-60fps, mostly in the 30s-40s. I do not think the 6800 is the card for 16 X12, 4X8X, Holy Sh*t settings. (quality in nVidia control)

On the other hand, I dropped the resolution to 12X10, 4X8X Holy Sh*t and got 40s to low 80s, mostly in the 50s and 60s, very playable. I considered this very playable, and pretty great IQ.

So there you have it, some UT2004 benches/sort of. (they really should put the dam* utility back in-rant)

I'd like to bench Painkiller next, even more so in SM3, will have some results up soon. (and perhaps more UT2004 if I get that Benchemall working again)

 

[BFG10K]

As more games come out that use SM3 more, and other TWIMTBP developers follow suit and give nVidia users HDR and leave ATI players out of the loop, it will probably be even harder.

Yet when NV3x users were forced to run SM 1.x that was a non-issue because shiny pipes were irrelevant.

TWIMTBP= every developer you've ever heard of

Oh pu-lease. Far Cry has that logo yet the NV3x runs the game at half the speed as R3xx cards do. If you believe that logo you are even more inept than I imagined.

You're also turning into quite the nVidia PR parrot, aren't you Rollo? Last year nobody could live without the 5800U and this year nobody can do without SM 3.0. Also 6800U SLI is a viable option for everyone. :roll:

No one who buys a GT or Ultra will miss those couple extra frames an XT can provide,

Bu everyone will miss SM 3.0, right?

As far as "customer demand" goes BFG, I think we saw how far that goes with Shady Days. (or 3dfx and Glide)

Yes, we did. We saw Valve spend five times as much time on the NV3x path because the core blew utter chunks.

And all of the above still leaves SLI out of the equation, when all single card solutions get to look slow and dated.

They will? Tell me then, what is the performance of the NV5x and the R5xx?

Do you think HDR will run slow on SLI too BFG?

Not sure.

And do you have any factual basis for saying it will run slow on 6800s?

Surely you don't think it'll be free do you?

Not too late to get a 6800 and see the HDR BFG- you have a R300 core already?

It'll take more than your brainless PR to convince me.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

As more games come out that use SM3 more, and other TWIMTBP developers follow suit and give nVidia users HDR and leave ATI players out of the loop, it will probably be even harder.

Yet when NV3x users were forced to run SM 1.x that was a non-issue because shiny pipes were irrelevant.

If you say so.

TWIMTBP= every developer you've ever heard of

Oh pu-lease. Far Cry has that logo yet the NV3x runs the game at half the speed as R3xx cards do. If you believe that logo you are even more inept than I imagined.

I suppose the logo told you that this software will not run on ATI hardware also?

You're also turning into quite the nVidia PR parrot, aren't you Rollo? Last year nobody could live without the 5800U and this year nobody can do without SM 3.0. Also 6800U SLI is a viable option for everyone. :roll:

I didn't buy a 5800U and my heart seems to still be beating. Oh, the drama. SLI is a viable option for all who want/will buy it. When you say "everyone", do you have an exact number for my records? Thanks.

No one who buys a GT or Ultra will miss those couple extra frames an XT can provide,

Bu everyone will miss SM 3.0, right?
That's about the size of it sparky.

As far as "customer demand" goes BFG, I think we saw how far that goes with Shady Days. (or 3dfx and Glide)

Yes, we did. We saw Valve spend five times as much time on the NV3x path because the core blew utter chunks.
Yes, your right. But that's all over now isn't it.

And all of the above still leaves SLI out of the equation, when all single card solutions get to look slow and dated.

They will? Tell me then, what is the performance of the NV5x and the R5xx?

Most likely not 1.87 times faster than a single current NV40/R420. Do I know this for a fact? No. But neither do you.

Do you think HDR will run slow on SLI too BFG?

Not sure.

I'll take that as a "I know the answer, but I just don't wanna say it out loud."

And do you have any factual basis for saying it will run slow on 6800s?

Surely you don't think it'll be free do you?

That depends on how the NV40 core was designed to handle it. Nobody knows save for the developers.

Not too late to get a 6800 and see the HDR BFG- you have a R300 core already?

It'll take more than your brainless PR to convince me.

Oh fudge. Now your just being stubborn.

Sorry BFG, couldn't resist. Its just that no matter what was said, you were against it. Its easy to pick apart posts line by line isn't it. So feel free to make meaningless comebacks.

 

[BFG10K]

If you say so.

But I don't.

I suppose the logo told you that this software will not run on ATI hardware also?

Why would you suppose it did that?

I didn't buy a 5800U and my heart seems to still be beating.

And?

That's about the size of it sparky.

Actually no, it isn't.

Yes, your right. But that's all over now isn't it.

So nobody has the NV3x anymore?

Yes, your right. But that's all over now isn't it.

The NV3x is actively being used and sold so no, it isn't.

Do I know this for a fact? No. But neither do you.

If you want to make a performance claim the burden of proof is on you.

I'll take that as a "I know the answer, but I just don't wanna say it out loud."

If you lack reading and comprehension skills then I guess you could take it that way.

That depends on how the NV40 core was designed to handle it. Nobody knows save for the developers.

Actually we do know because we've had some FPS caps with the enhanced images from Far Cry posted a while back. Hint: it wasn't free.

Not only that but the core has been analyzed throroughly so if you honestly think HDR will carry zero performance hit you are simply delusional.

Its easy to pick apart posts line by line isn't it.

Your response shows an astonishing lack of reading and comprehension skills along with fundamental problems in understanding wider issues. Basically a monkey could've been trained to randomly post something and it probably would have had greater relevance to my post than what you posted.

 

[CaiNaM]

i still want to know where those $330 GTs are.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
i still want to know where those $330 GTs are.

If you find them, buy me two?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
i still want to know where those $330 GTs are.

If you find them, buy me two?

They have to be PCI-E to be SLI compatible... in other words, your 6800 will never see SLI

 

[nRollo]

BFG:
That is quite the document:

Yet when NV3x users were forced to run SM 1.x that was a non-issue because shiny pipes were irrelevant.

Yes. The shiny pipes were irrelevant because by the time the actual Far Cry game arrived, the performance of the 5950/9800 series was made largely irrelevant by the arrival of the 6800/X800 series.

Oh pu-lease. Far Cry has that logo yet the NV3x runs the game at half the speed as R3xx cards do. If you believe that logo you are even more inept than I imagined.

You're also turning into quite the nVidia PR parrot, aren't you Rollo? Last year nobody could live without the 5800U and this year nobody can do without SM 3.0. Also 6800U SLI is a viable option for everyone.

If your argument is that TWIMTBP has nothing to do with what feaures developers program into a game, IMO you are incorrect. The fact that CryTek is making a visually superior version of the game for nVidia hardware, after making a version that runs SM3, tells me they have some interest in making the game better for nVidia owners. (or are they just trying to capture that market of the .0000000000001% of nV40 owning gamers?)
I've never said no can live w/o a 5800U, only that it's not as bad as people in general say it is. You like to lie about what I've said about 5800Us w/o quotes for some unknown reason.
When ATI shows me something they didn't 2 years ago, I'll post about that too.

Bu everyone will miss SM 3.0, right?

I'd rather have it than not, especially when there's no reason to not have it? What exactly does a person miss out on when they don't buy ATI this generation that is compelling enough to throw away the SM3 features?

Yes, we did. We saw Valve spend five times as much time on the NV3x path because the core blew utter chunks

And now we see developers having to spend 5X the time on the caveman, hard to code for DX9b PS2, so your point was what?

They will? Tell me then, what is the performance of the NV5x and the R5xx?

SLI is done and due out in Sept.. I was unaware the nV5X and R5xx will be out in Sept. to make my statement false and yours true? Do you have some inside info from ATI to share, or are you just saying "At some point in the future this will happen" which means exactly nothing? I would be very surprised to see nVidia and ATI release new cores 2 months after their last new core started to hit the market in numbers, wouldn't you BFG? Why do you even say pointless things like this?

Surely you don't think it'll be free do you?

I can't say. Running more normal textures on a X800 is "free" with 3Dc, I don't know what sort of hardware acceleration for HDR exists in the nV40. My California Masters have not told me. (LOL)

It'll take more than your brainless PR to convince me.

I could say the same, given what you've posted here? BTW- have you ordered that X800XT yet BFG? Going to put your money where your mouth is and bet you won't care about HDR and SM3 over the next year?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

If you say so.

But I don't.

I suppose the logo told you that this software will not run on ATI hardware also?

Why would you suppose it did that?

I didn't buy a 5800U and my heart seems to still be beating.

And?

That's about the size of it sparky.

Actually no, it isn't.

Yes, your right. But that's all over now isn't it.

So nobody has the NV3x anymore?

Yes, your right. But that's all over now isn't it.

The NV3x is actively being used and sold so no, it isn't.

Do I know this for a fact? No. But neither do you.

If you want to make a performance claim the burden of proof is on you.

I'll take that as a "I know the answer, but I just don't wanna say it out loud."

If you lack reading and comprehension skills then I guess you could take it that way.

That depends on how the NV40 core was designed to handle it. Nobody knows save for the developers.

Actually we do know because we've had some FPS caps with the enhanced images from Far Cry posted a while back. Hint: it wasn't free.

Not only that but the core has been analyzed throroughly so if you honestly think HDR will carry zero performance hit you are simply delusional.

Its easy to pick apart posts line by line isn't it.

Your response shows an astonishing lack of reading and comprehension skills along with fundamental problems in understanding wider issues. Basically a monkey could've been trained to randomly post something and it probably would have had greater relevance to my post than what you posted.

That was exactly my point. So we are both monkeys. And besides, it all seems to be in your head.
And nothing has relevance to your posts because you disagree with anything and everything pro nvidia or against ATI. My reading comprehension is fine. So, your witty replies left me dumbfounded and I just don't know what to do with myself now. You posts were just as useless as mine and that was my point.
In another post, you flat out said that a 9700pro is superior to a 5950 in your opinion. Just seeing that shows your skewed nature. Hey, at least I openly admittied what my preferred graphics company is.

Hey BFG, here is a statement for you. "The sky is blue." Now go ahead and tell me why it's not.

P.S. I am familiar with the effects of light passing through ions in our atmosphere so don't go there.

 

[Acanthus]

The sky is blue because of ATis Blueform technology.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Rollo
BFG:
That is quite the document:

Yet when NV3x users were forced to run SM 1.x that was a non-issue because shiny pipes were irrelevant.

Yes. The shiny pipes were irrelevant because by the time the actual Far Cry game arrived, the performance of the 5950/9800 series was made largely irrelevant by the arrival of the 6800/X800 series.

So? There are still far more users of the 5900/9800 series cards today than 6800/X800 cards. Just because there's something newer and faster doesn't make the old cards irrelevant. Apparently, since you upgraded to the new generation with that 6800, it makes the previous generation's cards totally worthless and pointless to compare.

Oh pu-lease. Far Cry has that logo yet the NV3x runs the game at half the speed as R3xx cards do. If you believe that logo you are even more inept than I imagined.

You're also turning into quite the nVidia PR parrot, aren't you Rollo? Last year nobody could live without the 5800U and this year nobody can do without SM 3.0. Also 6800U SLI is a viable option for everyone.

If your argument is that TWIMTBP has nothing to do with what feaures developers program into a game, IMO you are incorrect. The fact that CryTek is making a visually superior version of the game for nVidia hardware, after making a version that runs SM3, tells me they have some interest in making the game better for nVidia owners. (or are they just trying to capture that market of the .0000000000001% of nV40 owning gamers?)

What are you talking about when you say a visually superior version of the game for nVidia hardware after SM3? I was under the impression that they made a SM3 patch which might have some more bells and whistles - how is this designing a 'visually superior version of the game for nVidia only?' They made a patch that was for SM3 capable hardware; if ATI had SM3 capable hardware, it would be running on that too.

I've never said no can live w/o a 5800U, only that it's not as bad as people in general say it is. You like to lie about what I've said about 5800Us w/o quotes for some unknown reason.
When ATI shows me something they didn't 2 years ago, I'll post about that too.

Bu everyone will miss SM 3.0, right?

I'd rather have it than not, especially when there's no reason to not have it? What exactly does a person miss out on when they don't buy ATI this generation that is compelling enough to throw away the SM3 features?

You were quick to claim that Nvidia users weren't missing out on much last generation with no true PS/VS 2.0 support. Why the change of heart this time? It has nothing to do with the fact that you just bought an FX 6800, I'm sure .

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
i still want to know where those $330 GTs are.

Couldn't find one of those, but I found A $299.99+.06 tax one :thumbsup:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
i still want to know where those $330 GTs are.

If you find them, buy me two?

They have to be PCI-E to be SLI compatible... in other words, your 6800 will never see SLI

I know Acanthus, just saying at that price I'd buy two and sell one for MSRP to defray the cost of the other.

SLI times will be here soon, then we can all decide if we want the rampaging fury of two 6800s.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
i still want to know where those $330 GTs are.

If you find them, buy me two?

They have to be PCI-E to be SLI compatible... in other words, your 6800 will never see SLI

I know Acanthus, just saying at that price I'd buy two and sell one for MSRP to defray the cost of the other.

SLI times will be here soon, then we can all decide if we want the rampaging fury of two 6800s.

Just wanted to make sure we were clear

 

[nRollo]

Jiffy:

So? There are still far more users of the 5900/9800 series cards today than 6800/X800 cards. Just because there's something newer and faster doesn't make the old cards irrelevant. Apparently, since you upgraded to the new generation with that 6800, it makes the previous generation's cards totally worthless and pointless to compare.

My point at the time was that I consider the useful life of a high end gaming card ~1 year. At the time I said there weren't enough PS2 games to make that a large factor in a 5900/9800 choice, and by the time there were PS2 games, the people who buy high end cards would probably be buying X800s and 6800s because the PS2 performance of the 5900/9800 generation is so low.

What are you talking about when you say a visually superior version of the game for nVidia hardware after SM3? I was under the impression that they made a SM3 patch which might have some more bells and whistles - how is this designing a 'visually superior version of the game for nVidia only?' They made a patch that was for SM3 capable hardware; if ATI had SM3 capable hardware, it would be running on that too.

I'm talking about patch 1.3, not 1.2. 1.3 will integrate HDR. You're right that if ATI supported SM3, it would be for them too, but they don't and won't for a long time. Do you think it's a coincidence that they are spending time making these patches for features only nVidia will have in the near future, and for only a few nVidia cards? Why didn't they announce: We are doing one patch for nVidia owners using FP32 HDR, one for ATI owners using FP24 HDR?

You were quick to claim that Nvidia users weren't missing out on much last generation with no true PS/VS 2.0 support. Why the change of heart this time? It has nothing to do with the fact that you just bought an FX 6800, I'm sure

As I've said, there was no compelling reason to have good PS2 last gen unless you liked Wallet Raider. Within the life of this card there will be several games out or patched to SM3 that may be much better games using SM3. (either due to enhanced speed or visual quality) SM3 gave Far Cry a good sized boost on my system.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
i still want to know where those $330 GTs are.

If you find them, buy me two?

They have to be PCI-E to be SLI compatible... in other words, your 6800 will never see SLI

I know Acanthus, just saying at that price I'd buy two and sell one for MSRP to defray the cost of the other.

SLI times will be here soon, then we can all decide if we want the rampaging fury of two 6800s.

which motherboard are you going to use for your SLI?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

which motherboard are you going to use for your SLI?

If nF4 makes it's appearance at year's end as rumored, it'll be the weapon of choice me thinks.

 

[Viper87227]

I am really tired and dont have the energy to seach this whole thread for one simple answer. Rollo, I heard from someone else yo upgraded from a 9800Pro. I have been concidering either a 9800Pro or a 6800NU....is there a big enough performance gain to warrent the extra $100?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Viper87227
I am really tired and dont have the energy to seach this whole thread for one simple answer. Rollo, I heard from someone else yo upgraded from a 9800Pro. I have been concidering either a 9800Pro or a 6800NU....is there a big enough performance gain to warrent the extra $100?

Beats me, too many factors to give a relevant answer with this info. To answer this, I'd have to know what your system/monitor is, what games you play, how much disposable money you have, how long you plan to keep the card, and things like that.

The 9800Pro is a very good value for $200., the 6800NU is a very good value for $300..

The 6800NU is for sure more "future proof" than a 9800Pro though, it will likely run games like Doom 3 and HL2 much better than a 9800Pro. (and much worse than a GT)

I had no problems whatsoever with my 9800Pro and think they are great cards. I've had issues with UT and Q3A on my 6800NU, but they are 5 year old games, and I am using DX9c and the beta 61.45 drivers so I can play Far Cry in SM3.

 

[nRollo]

BTW- if you want some good advice as to how these cards would perform, check out the 6800NU review on the front page of this site.

The 6800NU is usually beating the 9800XT by 20% or more, and the 9800XT would be 10% faster than a Pro.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
i still want to know where those $330 GTs are.

If you find them, buy me two?

They have to be PCI-E to be SLI compatible... in other words, your 6800 will never see SLI

I know Acanthus, just saying at that price I'd buy two and sell one for MSRP to defray the cost of the other.

SLI times will be here soon, then we can all decide if we want the rampaging fury of two 6800s.

which motherboard are you going to use for your SLI?

I don't know about anyone else, but the Intel "Tumwater" chipset mobo is available right now as I have said this before. It is still quite pricey, but that wont last long when OEMs start releasing their Dual PCI-e x16 boards. Point is, that there is a mobo available right now, this second, for an NV SLI setup. As costly as it might be, it is still ready to purchase presently.