Rogers lost I think it was some $400M this year alone and I'm sure sympatico is loosing a bundle also.
Before my connection with Rogers was unlimited and comming in at 300 M/bsec right now it's at 150 M/bsec with a 3Gig/3Day limit. If they goto 5Gig/Month that's gona suk major but then again who's in business to loose money. Before users would just exchange email and the ocasional Megabite now it's entire cd's.
Even at $35Cdn with 150 M/Bsec with a 3gig/3Day limit, it's still cheaper than what the U.S., Germany, Briton and France and most other countries charge for broadband. It's just a sign of the times and it had to happen.
Point to Point communications and bandwidth is now a commodity that is ruled by supply and demand. The more you want the more you'll have to pay.
Before my connection with Rogers was unlimited and comming in at 300 M/bsec right now it's at 150 M/bsec with a 3Gig/3Day limit. If they goto 5Gig/Month that's gona suk major but then again who's in business to loose money. Before users would just exchange email and the ocasional Megabite now it's entire cd's.
Even at $35Cdn with 150 M/Bsec with a 3gig/3Day limit, it's still cheaper than what the U.S., Germany, Briton and France and most other countries charge for broadband. It's just a sign of the times and it had to happen.
Point to Point communications and bandwidth is now a commodity that is ruled by supply and demand. The more you want the more you'll have to pay.
I left my girlfriend alone with Napster while I went to class one day. When I got back she had downloaded 12.3 GB and uploaded 9 GB. Not too shabby.
to now add to the misery of being a Rogers.com customer - The @home newsgroups are now officially dead, which now leaves us with an unreliable and unusable rogers nntp service.
Just to give you an example, I have and use an external usenet provider that I pay for which is quite reliable and complete. When I post through Rogers only about %5-%10 of my post make it to my external provider, which means that most of your post don't even leave Rogers nntp servers.
I went into a Rogers MP3 binaries newsgroup (19 hops compared to 4 for @home) which had over 13,000 headers and not one post was complete compared to my external provider which had over 25,000+ post whit a near %99 completion over a five day retention.
With Rogers
My bandwidth has been cut from 300 M/bsec to 150 M/bsec
I am now capped at 3Gb/3Day - which will soon be 5Gb/Month
Newsgroups are now unreliable and unusable with a 3/day retention.
I'm quite sure that they are in talks with Sympatico for service and price fixing. God help you if you're in Canada and want broadband. It's time to roll back the clock and welcome the dark ages once again.
All @home wanted was a losy buck from every customer...... but nooooooo this is way better.
BTW: to add even more to the misery, Rogers will now view programs like Morpheus and other file sharing programs as Server based programs, rogers will then warn you to stop using these server programs or they will cut you off.
Just to give you an example, I have and use an external usenet provider that I pay for which is quite reliable and complete. When I post through Rogers only about %5-%10 of my post make it to my external provider, which means that most of your post don't even leave Rogers nntp servers.
I went into a Rogers MP3 binaries newsgroup (19 hops compared to 4 for @home) which had over 13,000 headers and not one post was complete compared to my external provider which had over 25,000+ post whit a near %99 completion over a five day retention.
With Rogers
My bandwidth has been cut from 300 M/bsec to 150 M/bsec
I am now capped at 3Gb/3Day - which will soon be 5Gb/Month
Newsgroups are now unreliable and unusable with a 3/day retention.
I'm quite sure that they are in talks with Sympatico for service and price fixing. God help you if you're in Canada and want broadband. It's time to roll back the clock and welcome the dark ages once again.
All @home wanted was a losy buck from every customer...... but nooooooo this is way better.
BTW: to add even more to the misery, Rogers will now view programs like Morpheus and other file sharing programs as Server based programs, rogers will then warn you to stop using these server programs or they will cut you off.
<< You can't come anywhere near 5GB just surfing. Bummer, dudes, might have to start paying for some of that music. >>
Phew, as I was reading down this thread and got to about the 5th post I started to worry that Russ hadn't seen it ... thank heavens he felt the need to spew his righteousness, because I don't feel whole without it.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods."
Phew, as I was reading down this thread and got to about the 5th post I started to worry that Russ hadn't seen it ... thank heavens he felt the need to spew his righteousness, because I don't feel whole without it.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods."
Tell them to shove it. For $40-50 / month you should be allowed to suck up all the bandwidth you can take. I'm sick and tired of getting jacked around by these stupid know it all cable companies who think they know my surfing, email, and viewing habits better than I do. Furthermore, where do they get off just automatically assuming that I can afford to spend that extra $4.95 a month in order to "provide more effective and beneficial services to their custormers"???
As far as I'm concerned, we pay for a service (cable internet and cable tv) and its their duty to provide that service. If they can't deliver the goods, then there needs to be someone else out there waiting to step in. Too many cable companies have closed markets and they've gotten too comfortable doing exactly what they want, when they want to do it.
--- I'm sure at this very moment there's someone over at the cable company that's reading this while digging up the customer database to find exactly who I am and where I live, along with my IP address and addressable cable modem so they can install a bandwidth cap on my line as well.
As far as I'm concerned, we pay for a service (cable internet and cable tv) and its their duty to provide that service. If they can't deliver the goods, then there needs to be someone else out there waiting to step in. Too many cable companies have closed markets and they've gotten too comfortable doing exactly what they want, when they want to do it.
--- I'm sure at this very moment there's someone over at the cable company that's reading this while digging up the customer database to find exactly who I am and where I live, along with my IP address and addressable cable modem so they can install a bandwidth cap on my line as well.
<< Tell them to shove it. For $40-50 / month you should be allowed to suck up all the bandwidth you can take. I'm sick and tired of getting jacked around by these stupid know it all cable companies who think they know my surfing, email, and viewing habits better than I do. Furthermore, where do they get off just automatically assuming that I can afford to spend that extra $4.95 a month in order to "provide more effective and beneficial services to their custormers"???
As far as I'm concerned, we pay for a service (cable internet and cable tv) and its their duty to provide that service. If they can't deliver the goods, then there needs to be someone else out there waiting to step in. Too many cable companies have closed markets and they've gotten too comfortable doing exactly what they want, when they want to do it.
--- I'm sure at this very moment there's someone over at the cable company that's reading this while digging up the customer database to find exactly who I am and where I live, along with my IP address and addressable cable modem so they can install a bandwidth cap on my line as well.
>>You see, its not their fault. They have to get their bandwith from somewhere, their upstream providers. A fat pipe is extremely expensive, and a user can easily individualy go over it. Assume your a cable server, averaging 150k/sec. Bam, you took over a T1! T1's are 800-900mo. lowend.
Armani
What a bunch of whiney babies. You are entitled to nothing. Maybe you should realize that these companies don't want your business, you abuse the bandwidth. You are in the minority and you are the minority they don't want around because you cost more than you pay. Deal with it, drop your cable and go back to a modem.
<< What a bunch of whiney babies. You are entitled to nothing. Maybe you should realize that these companies don't want your business, you abuse the bandwidth. You are in the minority and you are the minority they don't want around because you cost more than you pay. Deal with it, drop your cable and go back to a modem. >>
Both Rogers and Bell's HSE advertisments promote activities like downloading music, movies, and streaming audio/video. Perhaps they should change their advertising.
Oh and trust me, Rogers wants me around.
-Erik
yllus
Elite Member & Lifer
- Aug 20, 2000
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ahh, it's a great day for self-righteous posts today.
If I wanted to use my broadband cable Internet service to surf the web and check my e-mail, I'd cancel and use my free dialup university account.
Instead, I want to download new game demos the day they come out, at the typical 200-250 kB/sec speeds I'm used to. Haven't seen a single demo lately that's clocked in under 75 megs apiece.
I want to watch streaming video like that at u8tv.com anytime I'd like, especially at around 2 am when things usually get interesting over there.
I want to play Counter-Strike, C & C: Renegade and any other damned game I'd like to play online for hours on end. CS with voice chat ability is particularly good, and particularly bandwidth-consuming.
Most of all, I don't want to have to somehow monitor my ingoing and outgoing network usage and worry about going over some artificial limit. What kind of B.S. is that? If it's going to be broadband, let it be unencumbered broadband or stop selling the service. I'm so on board for a class-action it's not even funny.
Not all of us are over 40 and spend the lot of our Internet time posting to web forums, you know.
If I wanted to use my broadband cable Internet service to surf the web and check my e-mail, I'd cancel and use my free dialup university account.
Instead, I want to download new game demos the day they come out, at the typical 200-250 kB/sec speeds I'm used to. Haven't seen a single demo lately that's clocked in under 75 megs apiece.
I want to watch streaming video like that at u8tv.com anytime I'd like, especially at around 2 am when things usually get interesting over there.
I want to play Counter-Strike, C & C: Renegade and any other damned game I'd like to play online for hours on end. CS with voice chat ability is particularly good, and particularly bandwidth-consuming.
Most of all, I don't want to have to somehow monitor my ingoing and outgoing network usage and worry about going over some artificial limit. What kind of B.S. is that? If it's going to be broadband, let it be unencumbered broadband or stop selling the service. I'm so on board for a class-action it's not even funny.
Not all of us are over 40 and spend the lot of our Internet time posting to web forums, you know.
<< ahh, it's a great day for self-righteous posts today.
If I wanted to use my broadband cable Internet service to surf the web and check my e-mail, I'd cancel and use my free dialup university account.
Instead, I want to download new game demos the day they come out, at the typical 200-250 kB/sec speeds I'm used to. Haven't seen a single demo lately that's clocked in under 75 megs apiece.
I want to watch streaming video like that at u8tv.com anytime I'd like, especially at around 2 am when things usually get interesting over there.
I want to play Counter-Strike, C & C: Renegade and any other damned game I'd like to play online for hours on end. CS with voice chat ability is particularly good, and particularly bandwidth-consuming.
Most of all, I don't want to have to somehow monitor my ingoing and outgoing network usage and worry about going over some artificial limit. What kind of B.S. is that? If it's going to be broadband, let it be unencumbered broadband or stop selling the service. I'm so on board for a class-action it's not even funny.
Not all of us are over 40 and spend the lot of our Internet time posting to web forums, you know.
Well said!
-Erik
Geekbabe
Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
<< "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods." >>
nice quote !!!
I use ATT&T Broadband here, the rates are now over $50 per month, the unreliabilty of their mail/newsgroup servers is the stuff of legend.They can start talking about implementing d/l caps when I can stop having to use yahoo to make sure I get my business email !!
I am lucky here in that ATT&T isn't the only game in town RCN is here as well as DirectTv and Verizon DSL, so if the capping crap starts it'll be time to vote with my checkbook
>They have to get their bandwith from somewhere, their upstream providers. A fat pipe is extremely expensive
It's widely known that Rogers is "renting" bandwidth from Teleglobe.net at $5M/month while raking in at least $15M/month from subscribers. I really don't think that that it's costing them $10M/month for service and support for highspeed.
The bottom line here is money. How much can they suck wile providing the cheapest service and support possible. It's called WalMartism, where they get to a point were they are so powerfull that they dictate what service and support you'll get and at what price.
It's widely known that Rogers is "renting" bandwidth from Teleglobe.net at $5M/month while raking in at least $15M/month from subscribers. I really don't think that that it's costing them $10M/month for service and support for highspeed.
The bottom line here is money. How much can they suck wile providing the cheapest service and support possible. It's called WalMartism, where they get to a point were they are so powerfull that they dictate what service and support you'll get and at what price.
I calculated my bandwidth last night and for one hour of RTCW online was a total of 18Megs so if Rogers would cap it at 5Gigs I would be able to play for 11 1/2 half days straight.
ultimatebob
Lifer
- Jul 1, 2001
- 25,134
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Oh well. I guess that you'll have to go back to leeching your MP3's, pr0n, and warez from your friends, instead!
Seriously, I'd start looking for a DSL provider in your area, and pick up an unrestricted "business-level" account. 5GB isn't enough bandwidth if you need to download ANY big files on a weekly basis.
Seriously, I'd start looking for a DSL provider in your area, and pick up an unrestricted "business-level" account. 5GB isn't enough bandwidth if you need to download ANY big files on a weekly basis.
Kadarin
Lifer
- Nov 23, 2001
- 44,296
- 16
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I already vote with my checkbook. I pay $80/month for Speakeasy DSL. I get 768kbps sDSL with a static IP (with no PPPoE BS), and my Terms of Service explicitly state that I am allowed to run a server. Their policy is that bandwidth that I purchase is mine, and that I am entitled to do whatever I want with it. My opinion is that download caps are evil, and these companies can much better serve their customers by simply using fixed rate-limiting on their edge routers.
What is the point of "broadband" if you can't use it? "Oooh, gee, look how fast the pretty web page pops up on the screen!"
What is the point of "broadband" if you can't use it? "Oooh, gee, look how fast the pretty web page pops up on the screen!"
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