News Roe v. Wade overturned

[MrSquished]

Depending on what they meant I kind of get it - I'm very confident if it was still 5-4 and Roberts was the deciding vote they would not have overruled Roe explicitly like this. He would have ruled in a way that effectively let states end abortion rights but would have kept the veneer of Roe there so that it wasn't so politically damaging to Republicans.

We will see what, if any effects this has in November but from an electoral sense I suspect this will hurt Republicans significantly.

Yes, it will definitely hurt them, and Trump is right, with suburban women voters that can be swing voters, and it should rile up all Democrat women voters as well.

 

[NWRMidnight]

You do realize I agree with you, right? I'm just saying that under the reasoning displayed today it's not entirely clear the Supreme Court does.


Actually this IS in the Constitution and other states are theoretically required to enforce it due to the full faith and credit clause. If a state punishes you for leaving the state to get an abortion other states are supposed to uphold that judgment even if it is legal in their state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause

Uh, no, that is not what the Full faith and credit clause is saying. read it again.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yes, it will definitely hurt them, and Trump is right, with suburban women voters that can be swing voters, and it should rile up all Democrat women voters as well.

Too little too late IMO

 

[SteveGrabowski]

'Even a broken clock...' applies here I think.

That's the whirlwind I'm hoping for. Millions of enraged American women seeing red over some holy roller boomers putting lady parts under the yoke of government. Horrified at the prospect of "small government" tracking their cycles via private 3rd party datamining, and that states like Texas are resorting to vigilante enforcement, even making rape financially lucrative for the rapist's family. The brainwashed women who are anti choice already vote and helped create this disaster, their number is already accounted for.

November should be painful for them, and rightly so.

It's disgusting what Team Treason has done to this country. The wounds continue to fester and smell. We need crushing electoral defeat to remove these bastards, and if it doesn't happening in November this country is fucked for decades. We will be in bad shape to resist China's coming war, and the post WW2 world order will end along with our position in it. All courtesy of people like Gingrich and Putin taking advantage of religious racists who can't put their country ahead of their egos and feels. *sigh*

It's already over now. We needed crushing electoral defeat of the nazis in 2020 to expand the court and pack it and admit Puerto Rico, North DC, and South DC as states with two senators each. Instead the nazis will take both houses of congress in November.

 

[K1052]

We will see what, if any effects this has in November but from an electoral sense I suspect this will hurt Republicans significantly.

I think the impression that the court would not actually do this muffled the impact when the draft came out. Anybody who thought they would not has been disabused of that illusion and is now aware that this court and Rs generally are embarking on a radically conservative agenda they are not going to like.

 

[fskimospy]

Uh, no, that is not what the Full faith and credit clause is saying. read it again.

That is exactly what the full faith and credit clause is saying. If Idaho issues a judgment against you for traveling out of state to get an abortion then every state in the union is bound by the full faith and credit clause to uphold that judgment.

 

[Jaskalas]

A lot of Dems just don't realize how evil the GOP is I guess.

Western Civilization made the same mistake with Russia.

 

[MrSquished]

Too little too late IMO

It's not too late. It's June. The midterms are in November. Plenty of time for people to get riled up by this. This fucked up ruling's only silver linings is that it will motivate the Dem base, let's just see if it's enough to make a difference.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

While I am not anti choice, I feel waaaaaay too much political capital has been spent on this issue. Let states decide and let them deal with the consequences come election time.
Also imo this no longer is something politicians can simply raise their hands and say “well it’s been decided”. They need to explicitly say what they are for and against and craft laws in such a way to support their position. This is accountability.
Edit: This also holds voters accountable to vote in every single election and stop being so god damn lazy and allowing the court to get packed with shit heads.

 

[eelw]

Wonder how gung ho red states will go the trigger laws? Like they are cheering with the decision becoming official. But now if they go batshit crazy and complete ban and start to go after gay marriage, they have screwed themselves in November

 

[hal2kilo]

Too little too late IMO

3 months is an eternity in politics.

 

[K1052]

In terms of actual steps the admin can take this is one. Letting it go over the counter is another and might be coming.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1540368295727177730

 

[woolfe9998]

Yes, I don't see any coherent logic where the right to abortion is not protected but the right to interracial marriage is. If they are logically consistent interracial marriage bans, contraception bans, sodomy bans, and same sex marriage bans are all perfectly fine for states or the feds to implement.

Well, one difference is that the right to interracial marriage is based on the Equal Protection clause, which is more explicit in the Constitution than is the right to an abortion.

I don't see them even trying that one, but as for those others you mention, I think they'll try all of them at one time or another, in one state or another.

 

[TheVrolok]

One of the great things about America for years and years is that each generation left a country to their children that was better off than when they found it, right up until the baby boomers. I am struggling to think of a single aspect of this country they made better for their kids, while tons of worse ones spring to mind.

The Greatest Generation gave us, objectively (based on outcomes) the worst generation. Cool.

 

[Roger Wilco]

A look at the crowd outside the Supreme Court.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1540378973024165888

 

[Fanatical Meat]

In terms of actual steps the admin can take this is one. Letting it go over the counter is another and might be coming.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1540368295727177730

If the court is willing to shoot down roe, this isn’t going to stop them.

 

[TheVrolok]

Yes, it will definitely hurt them, and Trump is right, with suburban women voters that can be swing voters, and it should rile up all Democrat women voters as well.

Absolutely not. I have absolutely no faith in the Democratic party electorate. How many times we will misplace our faith?

 

[NWRMidnight]

That is exactly what the full faith and credit clause is saying. If Idaho issues a judgment against you for traveling out of state to get an abortion then every state in the union is bound by the full faith and credit clause to uphold that judgment.

That is not enforcing their laws in another state as I stated. They cannot force their laws to be followed in another state.. that is not what the Full faith and credit law is saying.. You are talking about judgements for breaking state laws.. But you are trying to use a non existent unconstitutional law as your example (they do not have the jurisdiction to dictate what their residents can and can't do in another state) what the full faith and credit clause means is if I go to Idaho, or I live in Idaho, and I get busted for smoking weed.. I can't go to Washington and try to get it over turned.. It doesn't mean that Idaho can bust me for smoking weed in Washington, as they do no have jurisdiction to enforce their state laws in Washington.

However, as you stated, with the current climate in the SCOTUS, anything is possible. Specially since they deliberately and willfully ignore specific portions of the constitution and decades of case law.

 

[UNCjigga]

Prediction: Planned Parenthood will be working with tribal authorities in every trigger-law state to establish facilities on reservation land.

 

[mikeymikec]

Well, one difference is that the right to interracial marriage is based on the Equal Protection clause, which is more explicit in the Constitution than is the right to an abortion.

I don't see them even trying that one, but as for those others you mention, I think they'll try all of them at one time or another, in one state or another.

I'm pretty certain >6 years ago the consensus on this forum was that no-one would ever seriously go after RvW, but here you are. I don't think anyone would have predicted that the SC would throw established precedent under the bus when it suited them. Now I think you have to ask yourselves, now they've crossed this line, why won't they cross others?

 

[eelw]

Lol news anchor, Collins has buyers remorse but can’t do anything about it now

 

[soulcougher73]

You need 51 votes to pass anything you want in the Senate and the Democrats have 51 votes. They control the Senate, period.

Don't they really only have 49 votes, but 51 members? Manchin and Sinema?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

It's not too late. It's June. The midterms are in November. Plenty of time for people to get riled up by this. This fucked up ruling's only silver linings is that it will motivate the Dem base, let's just see if it's enough to make a difference.

The Democrats got destroyed in Virigina a year after the GOP literally tried to overthrow democracy and install a dictatorship. It's hopeless to think something like abortion will motivate Democrat voters to show up in an off year election.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Lol news anchor, Collins has buyers remorse but can’t do anything about it now

No she doesn't lol

 

[gothuevos]

Thanks Bernie Bros for 2016