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sactoking said:
Put another tally in the counter of things the Baby Boomers have ruined for everyone else while they're on their way out.
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I have slowly changed my mind about that. I _used_ to be very resistant to Baby-Boomer-bashing, on the grounds that it was a distraction from real issues like class. But the sheer number of topics (on both sides of the Atlantic) on which that generation are playing a malevolent role has defeated me, and I now can't help but think there is a case to answer.
It is specifically Boomers - those older than that group are mostly blameless.
 
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pmv said:
I have slowly changed my mind about that. I _used_ to be very resistant to Baby-Boomer-bashing, on the grounds that it was a distraction from real issues like class. But the sheer number of topics (on both sides of the Atlantic) on which that generation are playing a malevolent role has defeated me, and I now can't help but think there is a case to answer.
It is specifically Boomers - those older than that group are mostly blameless.
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One of the great things about America for years and years is that each generation left a country to their children that was better off than when they found it, right up until the baby boomers. I am struggling to think of a single aspect of this country they made better for their kids, while tons of worse ones spring to mind.
 
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fskimospy said:
They wouldn't have to base it on anything, just pass a law that does it. The right to free travel within the country is not in the Constitution, so what legal standing would SCOTUS have to invalidate it?

I don't see what prevents states from simply banning any of their residents from leaving, period, at least under the current reasoning of SCOTUS.
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Yes the constitution does protect the right of interstate travel:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-14/section-1/interstate-travel
 
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NWRMidnight said:
Yes the constitution does protect the right of interstate travel:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-14/section-1/interstate-travel
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The right to travel is nowhere in the text of the Constitution - it is an inferred right just like the right to abortion.

EDIT: And to be clear I'm big fans of both rights and think they are protected by the Constitution. Under the legal reasoning of the nutjobs who occupy the supreme court though, I'm not so sure.
 
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eelw said:
Let’s think positively and Dems retain control of congress in November and somehow get the super majority in the senate in 2024. Can’t imagine the fake outrage from the right when the Dems sign in a new federal abortion law and actual meaningful gun regulations.
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You really think you'll win when its rigged against you?

You have a better chance to buy a gun and shoot up kids anywhere because they agree with your right to do that.

And as for what's coming.. well gay marriage is next.. then executions for homosexuals is not unconstitutional.. so public hangings for gays!
 
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pmv said:
Banning inter-racial marriage or homosexuality, or bringing back slavery (perhaps next time on a more racially-equitable basis?), might be too ambitious for them, but I presume anything that increases corporate profits will be pursued relentlessly.
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Uncle Thomas just told the red states to challenge Lawrence vs Texas so he and the rest of the nazi wing of the court can overturn it and make homosexuality illegal in the confederacy.
 
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Indus said:
You really think you'll win when its rigged against you?

You have a better chance to buy a gun and shoot up kids anywhere because they agree with your right to do that.

And as for what's coming.. well gay marriage is next.. then executions for homosexuals is not unconstitutional.. so public hangings for gays!
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Thomas has already said that is next
 
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fskimospy said:
The right to travel is nowhere in the text of the Constitution - it is an inferred right just like the right to abortion.
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It's a right of citizenship of the United States. If that is not the case, then the constitution has no jurisdiction in any state, and it is meaningless.
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Republicans won’t prosecute them for the travel. They will prosecute the woman for aborting a resident of their state
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Again, how? They cannot enforce their abortion laws over state lines. Residency is meaningless. States such as Idaho can't prosecute or arrest it's residence for going over to Washington and smoking weed, as it's a legal in that state.
 
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The one consolation from this is that, for once, Trump might be right — that overturning Roe v. Wade (not to mention the threats of overturning other liberties) is going to sour some people on the GOP and motivate others in upcoming elections.

I'm not so naive as to assume you'll suddenly see key southern states turn blue, but I don't think a swing toward a Republican-led Congress is as likely as it looked even a short while ago. This certainly gives any 2024 Democratic presidential candidate the fodder they need to counter the Republican pick — vote for us or you'll get a bunch of liars who will further regress American society.
 
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fskimospy said:
One of the great things about America for years and years is that each generation left a country to their children that was better off than when they found it, right up until the baby boomers. I am struggling to think of a single aspect of this country they made better for their kids, while tons of worse ones spring to mind.
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The election and opinion poll numbers here seem to show that the one group that's sticking with Johnson, even as every part of the UK state apparatus ceases to function under the triple-impact of Cameron's austerity, the pandemic, and Johnsonian ineptitude and paralysis (the NHS, every part of the Home Office, the DWP...all appear to be collapsing - NHS waiting lists currently at the highest they have ever been in its history) and inflation vs wage stagnation means workers face the greatest drop in living standards for nearly 200 years...are Baby Boomers.

Generation now seems to be the primary determinant of voting behaviour. All the Boomers seem to care about is Brexit and saying mean things about foreigners.

I just hope this is just a temporary state-of-affairs. Surely reality will get through to that deluded generation at some point?
 
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KidNiki1 said:
i am so sad about our country right now.
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Because we are dysfunctional and have major unresolved issues?
*ahem
Always been that way....

Time has merely allowed erosion to damage us, where as we have little to no capacity to find healing as a nation.
 
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NWRMidnight said:
It's a right of citizenship of the United States. If that is not the case, then the constitution has no jurisdiction in any state, and it is meaningless.
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You do realize I agree with you, right? I'm just saying that under the reasoning displayed today it's not entirely clear the Supreme Court does.

Again, how? They cannot enforce their abortion laws over state lines. Residency is meaningless. States such as Idaho can't prosecute or arrest it's residence for going over to Washington and smoking weed, as it's a legal in that state.
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Actually this IS in the Constitution and other states are theoretically required to enforce it due to the full faith and credit clause. If a state punishes you for leaving the state to get an abortion other states are supposed to uphold that judgment even if it is legal in their state.

 
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I had dinner with my friend last night who really keeps up with political stuff. He is a Democrat, progressive on some issues, moderate on others. Anyway last night Roe came up, I said it's done for. He said he can't be sure of that. I said no man, it's 100% done. He is perfectly aware the GOP are a fascist party now with few morals and values. And yet some part of him still thought they could not go that far. I'm like oh yeah, and they can go farther. And the next morning, boom.

My sister and I spoke about this last week, I said Roe was toast. She said they won't really do that. I said the same shit to her I told my friend last night. I called her this morning and told her the news, she wept. She has two young daughters (luckily in NJ, a sane state) but she wept for the women in this country.

A lot of Dems just don't realize how evil the GOP is I guess.
 
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Roger Wilco said:
I think Trump is right on this one.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1540367447647293440
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'Even a broken clock...' applies here I think.

That's the whirlwind I'm hoping for. Millions of enraged American women seeing red over some holy roller boomers putting lady parts under the yoke of government. Horrified at the prospect of "small government" tracking their cycles via private 3rd party datamining, and that states like Texas are resorting to vigilante enforcement, even making rape financially lucrative for the rapist's family. The brainwashed women who are anti choice already vote and helped create this disaster, their number is already accounted for.

November should be painful for them, and rightly so.

It's disgusting what Team Treason has done to this country. The wounds continue to fester and smell. We need crushing electoral defeat to remove these bastards, and if it doesn't happen in November this country is fucked for decades. We will be in bad shape to resist China's coming war, and the post WW2 world order will end along with our position in it. All courtesy of people like Gingrich and Putin taking advantage of religious racists who can't put their country ahead of their egos and feels. *sigh*
 
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MrSquished said:
I had dinner with my friend last night who really keeps up with political stuff. He is a Democrat, progressive on some issues, moderate on others. Anyway last night Roe came up, I said it's done for. He said he can't be sure of that. I said no man, it's 100% done. He is perfectly aware the GOP are a fascist party now with few morals and values. And yet some part of him still thought they could not go that far. I'm like oh yeah, and they can go farther. And the next morning, boom.

My sister and I spoke about this last week, I said Roe was toast. She said they won't really do that. I said the same shit to her I told my friend last night. I called her this morning and told her the news, she wept. She has two young daughters (luckily in NJ, a sane state) but she wept for the women in this country.

A lot of Dems just don't realize how evil the GOP is I guess.
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Depending on what they meant I kind of get it - I'm very confident if it was still 5-4 and Roberts was the deciding vote they would not have overruled Roe explicitly like this. He would have ruled in a way that effectively let states end abortion rights but would have kept the veneer of Roe there so that it wasn't so politically damaging to Republicans.

We will see what, if any effects this has in November but from an electoral sense I suspect this will hurt Republicans significantly.
 
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