News Roe v. Wade overturned

[cytg111]

Education is limited by the intelligence of the student. A whole bunch of people are over on the left side of the bell curve.
The bottom line is if we want better government we need better people. The hurdle there is the people that would be the best at governing don't want anything to do with it.
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

What?

 

[HomerJS]

What I said was that I knew you would LIKELY feel as you did. That is nothing personal but based on my insight into how the ego reacts to things with most people having way way too much ego. What you call backtracking was me trying to tell you that the important point you made, in my opinion, was not that they don't care about health care but that they too seldom show up to vote to support it and that the reason they don't is ingrained in our political system. Ideology is based on conditioning and our system if full of it with one group no better or worse than any other contrary to your claim it's old people's fault. What I admit to is indifference to that fact that I might offend your ego.



As I said, the focus of attention, in my opinion, ought to be that young people don't vote which means that the old people who realize why they don't should do more to tell them such behavior is self defeating. You, yourself, however, can just stick with blaming old people as a group if you want to.



And yet here I am doing what I can to help you past that perception. Willing to try, indifferent to success.



I can do so but that does not guarantee you will agree since what I know is based on experiences you may or may not have had. You can't put an old head on young shoulders, if you know what I mean.

Humanity is asleep living upside down and backward to reality. We are caught in the delusion of Maya if I have my Indian based insight into this correct. We are trapped in the illusion of good and evil when they in fact do not exist. The human capacity to use language created the ability to think symbolically, to be able to connect emotional content to words related to experience. We were conditioned in this way by being put down as children to see ourselves as sinful when we acted against group imposed norms, norms that are the product of duality and have no fundamental reality but the only reality we now know.

In short we are all trapped by and doomed to fall under the sway of thought which is fear which is hate, one generation programming the next. Generations unborn will be blaming you for the ills we presently create. And all because we are afraid to challenge our programming, to struggle to awaken because it will take us back to memories where we died psychic deaths in order to survive the torment of our programming. We are all victims of outrageous torture we are terrified to remember.

As to young people opposing health care. I mentioned that the points made by Jackalas are not strange to my ears. Do you remember when Obama care first passed. There was originally an individual mandate that you were required to pay that was very unpopular and was deemed illegal. The word at the time as I remember was that it was also very unpopular among the young because they didn't see themselves as needing healthcare and were forced to pay for somebody else. The following is not broken down by age so I am going from what I remember coming from young people circa 2016.


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Put on your speculation hat. The people who voted "very unfavorable" to the mandate if you ask them...

If someone doesn't carry insurance would you favor...

All medical treatments are cash only. If you don't have the cash you do not get treatment.

 

[HomerJS]

I thought abortion would give democrats the advantage they need for the midterms, but now I believe quite the opposite will occur.

Republicans will next go after birth control. Have the same opinion that will help Republicans as well?

Do you hear what you are saying?

US women stock up on birth control amid fears Roe v Wade will be overturned | The Independent

 

[Moonbeam]

Education is limited by the intelligence of the student. A whole bunch of people are over on the left side of the bell curve.
The bottom line is if we want better government we need better people. The hurdle there is the people that would be the best at governing don't want anything to

That idea was passed around some years back, it was called "eugenics".
The idea was to make people better, the actual implementation wasn't a winning solution.

Education is limited by the intelligence of the student. A whole bunch of people are over on the left side of the bell curve.
The bottom line is if we want better government we need better people. The hurdle there is the people that would be the best at governing don't want anything to do with it.
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

This is a can of worms I did not have in mind when I suggested “the government create” but one that inevitability turns up from time to time along with all of the nightmarish historical reasons why the subject of eugenics is pretty taboo.

But it does have left right implications I find interesting. The left, in my opinion is occupied by people who retain more sympathy for people more broken by suffering than those on the right who fancy the hardship they may more successfully have overcome as material they can point to as evidence suggesting innate personal superiority and which they then fixate on as true because of how it flatters their ego.

This then leads to the notion of success based on Darwinistic superiority and even in-group superiority.

Thus the conservative way to improve humanity tends toward thinking in this area along lines like elimination of inferior genes by sterilization or genocide etc.

Liberals can’t go down that heartless path because of sympathy for victims but they still maintain the wish to eliminate inferior people. In their case however it become only to easy to attribute a lack of empathy to genetic inferiority.

This issue is not easily resolved in my opinion because of scientific reasoning. If liberals save the genetically inferior their genes will accumulate degrade the species and conservatives will simply exterminate everybody they have a need to feel superior to to flatter their egos and that will wind up being, well, in my case, everybody but me.

Perhaps instead someday we can use science to improve on the genes we already have without killing off all of the defective.

 

[Moonbeam]

Put on your speculation hat. The people who voted "very unfavorable" to the mandate if you ask them...

If someone doesn't carry insurance would you favor...

All medical treatments are cash only. If you don't have the cash you do not get treatment.

My impression is that most of the opinions people have they are able to hold onto only because they don’t ask themselves penetrating questions. I think that further than not asking them, they are motivated never to even consider that such questions might exist. They inhabit a space they consider to be reality.

 

[Zorba]

Some reporting that overturning Roe seems to indicate that so far the issue while a thing voters don't like it is low salience compared to economic issues. Though Republicans have no plan whatsoever for economic issues (beyond apparently taxing the poor and elderly) swing voters are inclined to support them on it.

However this is before anything has actually happened. Minds could change in a few months if women wake up and discover they are committing a felony by having an IUD because a bunch of R states pass insane laws.

Only democrats can make extremely low unemployment a liability. They are also going to like Republicans talk them into the classic abortion wedges on this, instead of pushing the broader implications of this law. They need to immediately push a bill through congress to guarantee access to all FDA approved birth control and fertility treatments. Get Republicans on record as voting against these items and then beat them over the head with it. "No Pill" "No IVF" is so much more effective than "No Abortion."

 

[SMOGZINN]

I figure if protests get sufficiently unmanageable, out of control, concerning and scary, if it becomes clear to the court that they are unleashing a Pandora's box of revolt that will not subside, they might not furnish essentially the same decision as the leaked draft. Other than that, I just don't know that we can be saved from civic catastrophe in America.

No, that won't work any more than the Black Lives Matter protests worked.
Protests no longer work because too many people believe that it should be illegal to protest in any way that inconveniences them.
Never forget that kneeling silently was too extreme of a protest.

Republicans will next go after birth control. Have the same opinion that will help Republicans as well?

Do you hear what you are saying?

US women stock up on birth control amid fears Roe v Wade will be overturned | The Independent

Yes it will.
Because Democrats can, or at least will, do nothing at all to fix things.
Democrats won everything and managed to do nothing.
They will continue to do nothing.
So, what is the point of voting them in?

 

[K1052]

Only democrats can make extremely low unemployment a liability. They are also going to like Republicans talk them into the classic abortion wedges on this, instead of pushing the broader implications of this law. They need to immediately push a bill through congress to guarantee access to all FDA approved birth control and fertility treatments. Get Republicans on record as voting against these items and then beat them over the head with it. "No Pill" "No IVF" is so much more effective than "No Abortion."

We've decided a great depression level unemployment rate is preferable to any inflation. Cheap gas or bust, literally.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Yes it will.
Because Democrats can, or at least will, do nothing at all to fix things.
Democrats won everything and managed to do nothing.
They will continue to do nothing.
So, what is the point of voting them in?

Dems didn't win everything. 50+1 in the Senate isn't a true majority when you have Manchin and Sinema.

Want to see Dems in action? Get 56+ Dem senators and then the party will go to town.

 

[dank69]

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Yes it will.
Because Democrats can, or at least will, do nothing at all to fix things.
Democrats won everything and managed to do nothing.
They will continue to do nothing.
So, what is the point of voting them in?

They didn't win everything. They won a razor-thin majority when a supermajority is needed to do anything.

 

[hal2kilo]

No, that won't work any more than the Black Lives Matter protests worked.
Protests no longer work because too many people believe that it should be illegal to protest in any way that inconveniences them.
Never forget that kneeling silently was too extreme of a protest.



Yes it will.
Because Democrats can, or at least will, do nothing at all to fix things.
Democrats won everything and managed to do nothing.
They will continue to do nothing.
So, what is the point of voting them in?

So Republicans can't destroy our democracy. But, you go on with your doom and gloom, then see how many Dems go to the polls. Defeatists!

 

[Dave_5k]

More details on Republican next steps, now that they've apparently gotten rid of Roe:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522044847254872064

https://twitter.com/x/status/1523145616250966017

 

[Zorba]

More details on Republican next steps, now that they've apparently gotten rid of Roe:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522044847254872064

https://twitter.com/x/status/1523145616250966017

Gotta get up the "supply" of unwanted white infants...

I'd like to hear any justification for banning condoms, other than "don't spill the seed."

But as I was saying, this is what Dems need to be hitting republicans with. I can't believe a national condom ban would poll above 5%, and banning all other BC is below 10%.

 

[dank69]

More details on Republican next steps, now that they've apparently gotten rid of Roe:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522044847254872064

https://twitter.com/x/status/1523145616250966017

That Blackburn statement is a new one to me and a particularly fucked up take.

 

[Fenixgoon]

More details on Republican next steps, now that they've apparently gotten rid of Roe:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522044847254872064

https://twitter.com/x/status/1523145616250966017

party of small government at it again, i see

 

[Muse]

Democrats can, or at least will, do nothing at all to fix things.
Democrats won everything and managed to do nothing.
They will continue to do nothing.
So, what is the point of voting them in?

Take the blinders off. In most cases it keeps a Republican from taking the office. Dems have an agenda, they have a platform. Nationally the Repubs actually had NO PLATFORM WHATSOEVER IN 2020. Just try to get the fat asshole reelected to keep them in power. Talk about "losers"...

 

[K1052]

Take the blinders off. In most cases it keeps a Republican from taking the office. Dems have an agenda, they have a platform. Nationally the Repubs actually had NO PLATFORM WHATSOEVER IN 2020. Just try to get the fat asshole reelected to keep them in power. Talk about "losers"...

Same for 2022 also. McConnell says they won't outline any policy they might enact so we have to basically rely on Rick Scott's missive on turning the poor and elderly into cat food.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So glad I don’t have daughters.

 

[ch33zw1z]

More details on Republican next steps, now that they've apparently gotten rid of Roe:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522044847254872064

https://twitter.com/x/status/1523145616250966017

lol ‘Murica off the rails

 

[nOOky]

Let the red states have their voter ID laws. Blue states that offer abortion should deny it to red state residents. See how quickly the voting will change then. It would have an immediate impact.

 

[Pens1566]

I will admit, I do take some pleasure in seeing the protests outside Kavanaugh's house ... especially considering that SCOTUS declared protest buffer zones as unconstitutional.

 

[dainthomas]

I will admit, I do take some pleasure in seeing the protests outside Kavanaugh's house ... especially considering that SCOTUS declared protest buffer zones as unconstitutional.

It's God's will. He needs to just lay back and make the best out of a bad situation.

So glad I don’t have daughters.

Glad I do, since we live in Oregon. In the event a national ban is imposed we're even close to Canada.

 

[vi edit]

Let the red states have their voter ID laws. Blue states that offer abortion should deny it to red state residents. See how quickly the voting will change then. It would have an immediate impact.

This is a terrible suggestion. You just punish women who are poor and working hourly jobs and may already have their vote suppressed via voter registries or other GOP fuckery at state/local levels.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Gotta get up the "supply" of unwanted white infants...

I'd like to hear any justification for banning condoms, other than "don't spill the seed."

But as I was saying, this is what Dems need to be hitting republicans with. I can't believe a national condom ban would poll above 5%, and banning all other BC is below 10%.

Should be careful what they ask for. We could start up a registry of babies being born. Restrict the number of white couples having babies to ensure equality amongst all births in America.

 

[K1052]

Right wing circles breathlessly picked this up but turns out it's just bullshit.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1523713995185995776