Rockets, Mortars keep falling on Israeli cities

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Qassam, mortar barrages hit south

Nearly 30 rockets, 10 mortar shells fired from Gaza Strip on Tuesday night, Wednesday morning. Several people suffer shock; houses, factory and building in military base sustain damage. Rocket fire follows killing of three terrorists by IDF on Tuesday


Palestinians fired about 30 rockets and 10 mortar shells from the northern Gaza Strip towards southern Israel on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. One rocket hit a house in the Sdot Negev Regional Council and another hit a factory in the Eshkol Regional Council, causing heavy damage. Several people suffered shock.

At least seven rockets were fired at Ashkelon and five at the city of Netivot. Rockets landed near Netivot's industrial zone, a residential neighborhood in Ashkelon and the city's southern industrial area. Two residents suffered shock.

Earlier, other rockets landed near a factory in Ashkelon's industrial zone and near a recreation center in the city.

Following the ongoing rocket fire, Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the defense establishment to cancel the planned transfer of humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip. On Tuesday, Israel decided to allow the delivery a limited amount of humanitarian equipment at 11 am Wednesday, but the crossings are now slated to remain closed.

Two rockets hit Ashkelon at around 8:25 am. Four rockets landed near the city of Netivot.

Netivot Council Member Ron Stern told Ynet, "There were two Color Red alerts. This is not the first time we hear an alert in the city, but it stresses us out each time. We ran into the fortified room, and then came out and tried to return to routine, but there was another alert and we returned to the shelter. Then we heard a boom.

"It's Hanukkah, the kids are on vacation and this overclouds the holiday spirit. The alert was sounded when they were asleep and at home, and this raises difficult feelings."

Rocket landing site in Ashkelon (Photo: Amir Cohen)

Four Qassams were fired at around 7:30 am. Two of the rockets landed in the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council limits, one landed in the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council and one on Palestinian territory. Another rocket landed within the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council at around 9:50 am.

There were no reports of injuries in all incidents, but the Israel Defense Forces reported that a house in a kibbutz belonging to the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council sustained damage from a rocket fired overnight. A mortar shell hit the roof of a building in a military base.

The al-Quds Brigades, the Islamic Jihad's military wing, claimed responsibility for Wednesday morning's rocket fire.

Michal, an Ashkelon resident, said that "after the alert we heard two landings in the area ? one far away from my house and one very close. The house's walls trembled. Once against we are ducks on the shooting range."

Ashkelon mayor calls for 'tough response'

Benny Vaknin, the new mayor of Ashkelon, spoke to Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai on Wednesday morning and conveyed a firm message: "The response must be extremely tough."

He also threatened that all schools would go on strike after the holiday if the city's educational institutions are not fortified.

Vaknin said the decision to cancel the aid transfer into the Strip was insufficient. He believes Israeli must distinguish between the Grad missiles fired at Ashkelon and the Qassam rockets fired at other areas.

"The fire directed at Ashkelon is essentially different. A Grad missile can contain 8 kilogram (17.6 pounds) of explosives and can cause injuries and great damage. If such a missile were to land inside a school, God forbid, a disaster could take place.

"The Grad missiles are only fired by Hamas men, which means there is an intentional policy here by the Hamas government, and therefore we should respond accordingly. We agreed to hold a work meeting with Vilnai and defense establishment officials in the coming days."

According to Vaknin, he has no intention of turning a blind eye to the rocket fire directed at his city, as opposed to the past. He has already declared that any Grad missile fired at Ashkelon would lead to the closure of all educational institutions in the city.

"I demand that they start fortifying all education institutions in Ashkelon immediately. There are 30,000 pupils and students in the college here, and contrary to what people have said ? not one school in Ashkelon is fortified.

"We demand that they begin the fortification now, and I don?t care about the costs. If the rocket fire continues without a response, we'll consider taking very harsh and tough measures and won't turn a blind eye. We recently appointed a team to deal with this issue until a state of calm returns to the region."

Meanwhile, the CEO of the Magen David Adom emergency services raised the organization's alert level to the second highest degree. Some 120 ambulances are ready to be dispatched to rocket landing sites throughout the area.

On Tuesday afternoon, an IDF patrol killed three terrorists who were seen approaching the security fence on the border with Gaza, adjacent to the Israeli community of Netiv Ha'asara, located just north of the Hamas-controlled enclave. No injuries were reported among the troops.

The terrorists were trying to plant an explosive device along the fence when an IDF outpost identified them and dispatched soldiers from the Paratrooper Brigade's 101st Batallion to the scene.

The force crossed into Gaza and made its way toward the terrorists. An exchange of fire ensued, during which the terrorists succeeded in detonating a bomb near the soldiers and throwing a grenade in their direction.

Six Qassam rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip on Tuesday. The sixth rocket landed near an educational institution in the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council. There were no injuries.

Meanwhile, the efforts to reach understandings on renewing the half-year truce between Israel and Hamas continue. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas met Tuesday with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, and the two discussed the Egyptian efforts to resume the lull.

"We won't agree to an Israeli invasion in Gaza or even an aerial attack," Abbas said at the end of the meeting.

One of Hamas' leaders, Mahmoud Al-Zahar, said Tuesday that his organization was willing to renew the truce in Gaza if Israel adheres to the terms that have been agreed upon last June.

Speaking with Egyptian newspaper al-Ahram, al-Zahar said that the movement would reassess the situation in Gaza once the 24 hours during which Hamas vowed to halt rocket fire come to an end.

I wish the government would start a military strike against that. The laws should be simple: keep demolishing their urban areas until they are pushed out of firing range at Israeli cities. After all, they fire from within villages, sheltered by the civil population.
Just push that population back, until they are in fucking Egypt for all that I care. Make them all refugees if needed.

Takes one brave government to do so, though.

Meanwhile, think what would happen if San Diego was fired at from Mexico, etc.
 

heyheybooboo

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Just thinkin' ....

Maybe Israel could lift the Gaza Blockade ??

The health system is collapsing, public sanitation is essentially non-existent, raw sewerage is being diverted into the ocean, the economy is devastated, and on and on ....

Israel can claim the blockade has at no point caused a humanitarian crisis - but I'd say they are lying.
 

The Green Bean

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Give them laser guided missiles if you want them to avoid civilians. I'm sorry but it's not their fault that they have been forced into a whole and there's no way for them to come out except by firing rockets that do no good. The international community must step in to make Israel stop their crimes.
 

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Give them laser guided missiles if you want them to avoid civilians. I'm sorry but it's not their fault that they have been forced into a whole and there's no way for them to come out except by firing rockets that do no good. The international community must step in to make Israel stop their crimes.
Surprise, our resident jihadist supports terrorism!
 

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Give them laser guided missiles if you want them to avoid civilians. I'm sorry but it's not their fault that they have been forced into a whole and there's no way for them to come out except by firing rockets that do no good. The international community must step in to make Israel stop their crimes.
Surprise, our resident jihadist supports terrorism!

Your FUD, fallacy and obfuscation is no surprise, either.

Tell us how you feel about the blockade substantially reducing fuel available for agricultural water wells, water pumping, electrical and wastewater plant operation?

Israel accuses Hamas of faking a crisis?

I'm not defending Hamas - even though they were democratically elected
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Give them laser guided missiles if you want them to avoid civilians. I'm sorry but it's not their fault that they have been forced into a whole and there's no way for them to come out except by firing rockets that do no good. The international community must step in to make Israel stop their crimes.
Surprise, our resident jihadist supports terrorism!

Your FUD, fallacy and obfuscation is no surprise, either.

Tell us how you feel about the blockade substantially reducing fuel available for agricultural water wells, water pumping, electrical and wastewater plant operation?

Israel accuses Hamas of faking a crisis?

I'm not defending Hamas - even though they were democratically elected
Yes, you are.

 

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Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Agreed. The gloves must come off in order to end this madness.

Hey hey hey so many in here say Israel has nothing to worry about.

It's not happening just like the Iranian President says the Halocaust never happened.

Nothing to see here
 

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Give them laser guided missiles if you want them to avoid civilians. I'm sorry but it's not their fault that they have been forced into a whole and there's no way for them to come out except by firing rockets that do no good. The international community must step in to make Israel stop their crimes.

They dug themselves into that hole, and they just keep on digging. I hope Israel ends this by "giving" them a few hundred laser guided bombs, that I do.
 

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Give them laser guided missiles if you want them to avoid civilians. I'm sorry but it's not their fault that they have been forced into a whole and there's no way for them to come out except by firing rockets that do no good. The international community must step in to make Israel stop their crimes.

Who did they send suicide bombers - the most intelligent weapon in existence - against? Military camps? No, they sent them to buses and malls. Why do they fire from within their own people anyway? Afraid to go out? Islamo-fascist cowards.

There would be no blockade if they dismantled from all their weapons and started a peace process. As it is, they are arming themselves to teeth, waiting for the inevitable explosion.

 

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Can we just say a prayer and turn the whole place into glass already. It would solve tons of problems.
 

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Why are Palestinian actions so hard for people to understand? Imagine the US government took a few million Americans and settled them in Iraqi cities, displacing the Iraqi's who lived there previously in the process. I don't care who you are, if you were on the losing end, you would be pissed enough to fight over it.

The only way to prevent this kind of 'terrorism' (quotes because in other times and for other peoples, it is called other things) is to invade your enemies and occupy them ancient Greek style; kill every male over 12 and sell the women and children into slavery. Trying to live in close proximity to a conquered people with access to the kinds of weapons we now have is just foolish.
 

SamurAchzar

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Originally posted by: Dman877
Why are Palestinian actions so hard for people to understand? Imagine the US government took a few million Americans and settled them in Iraqi cities, displacing the Iraqi's who lived there previously in the process. I don't care who you are, if you were on the losing end, you would be pissed enough to fight over it.

Oh, that explains all the artillery flying to your cities from Indian reservations :roll:
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Give them laser guided missiles if you want them to avoid civilians. I'm sorry but it's not their fault that they have been forced into a whole and there's no way for them to come out except by firing rockets that do no good. The international community must step in to make Israel stop their crimes.

I don't suppose they could....I don't know....not fire rockets?
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: Dman877
Why are Palestinian actions so hard for people to understand? Imagine the US government took a few million Americans and settled them in Iraqi cities, displacing the Iraqi's who lived there previously in the process. I don't care who you are, if you were on the losing end, you would be pissed enough to fight over it.

The only way to prevent this kind of 'terrorism' (quotes because in other times and for other peoples, it is called other things) is to invade your enemies and occupy them ancient Greek style; kill every male over 12 and sell the women and children into slavery. Trying to live in close proximity to a conquered people with access to the kinds of weapons we now have is just foolish.

Why are Palestinian's deliberately targeting civilians difficult for people to understand? I don't know really. It's the whole "civilized people don't act like this" thing.
 

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Originally posted by: Dman877
Why are Palestinian actions so hard for people to understand? Imagine the US government took a few million Americans and settled them in Iraqi cities, displacing the Iraqi's who lived there previously in the process. I don't care who you are, if you were on the losing end, you would be pissed enough to fight over it.

QFT. Israel is a a country that should have not existed from the beginning.
 

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Originally posted by: cobalt
Can we just say a prayer and turn the whole place into glass already. It would solve tons of problems.

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Who did they send suicide bombers - the most intelligent weapon in existence - against? Military camps? No, they sent them to buses and malls. Why do they fire from within their own people anyway? Afraid to go out? Islamo-fascist cowards.

There would be no blockade if they dismantled from all their weapons and started a peace process. As it is, they are arming themselves to teeth, waiting for the inevitable explosion.

Simple thoughts from simple minds.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Just thinkin' ....

Maybe Israel could lift the Gaza Blockade ??

The health system is collapsing, public sanitation is essentially non-existent, raw sewerage is being diverted into the ocean, the economy is devastated, and on and on ....

Israel can claim the blockade has at no point caused a humanitarian crisis - but I'd say they are lying.
In otherwords reward them for firing the rockets?
 

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Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Originally posted by: Dman877
Why are Palestinian actions so hard for people to understand? Imagine the US government took a few million Americans and settled them in Iraqi cities, displacing the Iraqi's who lived there previously in the process. I don't care who you are, if you were on the losing end, you would be pissed enough to fight over it.
QFT. Israel is a a country that should have not existed from the beginning.
Study history, the Jews were there LONG LONG LONG before the Arabs.

The Kingdom of Israel was first established 3000 years ago.

On the other side there as never been a country called Palestine prior to 1948.

Genetically both sides have been traced back thousands of years and both sides are essentially descendent from the same group of early humans.

So we have two groups that have essentially lived in the same area since the beginning of time. About the only difference is that the Jews once controlled the area while the Palestinians have never had direct control over their land.
 

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Originally posted by: Dman877
Why are Palestinian actions so hard for people to understand? Imagine the US government took a few million Americans and settled them in Iraqi cities, displacing the Iraqi's who lived there previously in the process. I don't care who you are, if you were on the losing end, you would be pissed enough to fight over it.

The only way to prevent this kind of 'terrorism' (quotes because in other times and for other peoples, it is called other things) is to invade your enemies and occupy them ancient Greek style; kill every male over 12 and sell the women and children into slavery. Trying to live in close proximity to a conquered people with access to the kinds of weapons we now have is just foolish.

Most of us understand why the Palestinians are so pissed. Israel needed to exist, but maybe not in that exact location. That was our bad. We didn?t foresee all the consequences of our actions when we carved out the Israeli state.
But what is done is done. Israel is not going anywhere. Palestine is not going to defeat them. So, maybe it is time they look for the next best solution.
 

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Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
Originally posted by: Dman877
Why are Palestinian actions so hard for people to understand? Imagine the US government took a few million Americans and settled them in Iraqi cities, displacing the Iraqi's who lived there previously in the process. I don't care who you are, if you were on the losing end, you would be pissed enough to fight over it.

The only way to prevent this kind of 'terrorism' (quotes because in other times and for other peoples, it is called other things) is to invade your enemies and occupy them ancient Greek style; kill every male over 12 and sell the women and children into slavery. Trying to live in close proximity to a conquered people with access to the kinds of weapons we now have is just foolish.

Most of us understand why the Palestinians are so pissed. Israel needed to exist, but maybe not in that exact location. That was our bad. We didn?t foresee all the consequences of our actions when we carved out the Israeli state.
But what is done is done. Israel is not going anywhere. Palestine is not going to defeat them. So, maybe it is time they look for the next best solution.

Yes, but add emotions into it, and you'll see people pissed off and ready to lob rockets at Israel.

These rockets came because IDF killed 3 "terrorists" (I never heard of the IDF ever killing a civilian, even though they are all civilians there, but to make us feel good we can label them all terrorists)... People claim to push them back bulldoze their urban areas create a buffer, but then Israel will just expand into that land and create new settlements like they have done time and time again, and then they push the Palestinians back even more, which cause more rockets to land in Israel, and the cycle repeats.

Israel, if you want the rockets to stop raining down on you, stop pushing around the Palestinians, or kill them all entirely. But you will be guilty of what Hitler tried to do to you 70 years ago, and really, you'd be no better than he is. But I have a feeling thats what you will become, and to be honest, Palestinians had nothing to do with that, but you will commit genocide on a people who are innocent.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
Originally posted by: Dman877
Why are Palestinian actions so hard for people to understand? Imagine the US government took a few million Americans and settled them in Iraqi cities, displacing the Iraqi's who lived there previously in the process. I don't care who you are, if you were on the losing end, you would be pissed enough to fight over it.

The only way to prevent this kind of 'terrorism' (quotes because in other times and for other peoples, it is called other things) is to invade your enemies and occupy them ancient Greek style; kill every male over 12 and sell the women and children into slavery. Trying to live in close proximity to a conquered people with access to the kinds of weapons we now have is just foolish.

Most of us understand why the Palestinians are so pissed. Israel needed to exist, but maybe not in that exact location. That was our bad. We didn?t foresee all the consequences of our actions when we carved out the Israeli state.
But what is done is done. Israel is not going anywhere. Palestine is not going to defeat them. So, maybe it is time they look for the next best solution.
^ why not in that location?

The Israelis have as much claim to that area as the Palestinians, probably more claim since Arabs didn't arrive in the area until over a 1000 years after the Israelis had been there.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: brandonb
Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
Originally posted by: Dman877
Why are Palestinian actions so hard for people to understand? Imagine the US government took a few million Americans and settled them in Iraqi cities, displacing the Iraqi's who lived there previously in the process. I don't care who you are, if you were on the losing end, you would be pissed enough to fight over it.

The only way to prevent this kind of 'terrorism' (quotes because in other times and for other peoples, it is called other things) is to invade your enemies and occupy them ancient Greek style; kill every male over 12 and sell the women and children into slavery. Trying to live in close proximity to a conquered people with access to the kinds of weapons we now have is just foolish.

Most of us understand why the Palestinians are so pissed. Israel needed to exist, but maybe not in that exact location. That was our bad. We didn?t foresee all the consequences of our actions when we carved out the Israeli state.
But what is done is done. Israel is not going anywhere. Palestine is not going to defeat them. So, maybe it is time they look for the next best solution.

Yes, but add emotions into it, and you'll see people pissed off and ready to lob rockets at Israel.

These rockets came because IDF killed 3 "terrorists" (I never heard of the IDF ever killing a civilian, even though they are all civilians there, but to make us feel good we can label them all terrorists)... People claim to push them back bulldoze their urban areas create a buffer, but then Israel will just expand into that land and create new settlements like they have done time and time again, and then they push the Palestinians back even more, which cause more rockets to land in Israel, and the cycle repeats.

Israel, if you want the rockets to stop raining down on you, stop pushing around the Palestinians, or kill them all entirely. But you will be guilty of what Hitler tried to do to you 70 years ago, and really, you'd be no better than he is. But I have a feeling thats what you will become, and to be honest, Palestinians had nothing to do with that, but you will commit genocide on a people who are innocent.
The Israelis removed all of their settlements from the Gaza area a couple of years ago and turned all that land over to the Palestinians who then destroyed everything that was given to them when they started launching rockets from those areas.

Here is a link that shows exactly what I am talking about. Israeli settlers on gaza built some nice greenhouses that were given to the Palestinians who then used them for a location to build tunnels so they could smuggle weapons into Gaza.
 

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Originally posted by: brandonb
Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
Originally posted by: Dman877
Why are Palestinian actions so hard for people to understand? Imagine the US government took a few million Americans and settled them in Iraqi cities, displacing the Iraqi's who lived there previously in the process. I don't care who you are, if you were on the losing end, you would be pissed enough to fight over it.

The only way to prevent this kind of 'terrorism' (quotes because in other times and for other peoples, it is called other things) is to invade your enemies and occupy them ancient Greek style; kill every male over 12 and sell the women and children into slavery. Trying to live in close proximity to a conquered people with access to the kinds of weapons we now have is just foolish.

Most of us understand why the Palestinians are so pissed. Israel needed to exist, but maybe not in that exact location. That was our bad. We didn?t foresee all the consequences of our actions when we carved out the Israeli state.
But what is done is done. Israel is not going anywhere. Palestine is not going to defeat them. So, maybe it is time they look for the next best solution.

Yes, but add emotions into it, and you'll see people pissed off and ready to lob rockets at Israel.

These rockets came because IDF killed 3 "terrorists" (I never heard of the IDF ever killing a civilian, even though they are all civilians there, but to make us feel good we can label them all terrorists)... People claim to push them back bulldoze their urban areas create a buffer, but then Israel will just expand into that land and create new settlements like they have done time and time again, and then they push the Palestinians back even more, which cause more rockets to land in Israel, and the cycle repeats.

Israel, if you want the rockets to stop raining down on you, stop pushing around the Palestinians, or kill them all entirely. But you will be guilty of what Hitler tried to do to you 70 years ago, and really, you'd be no better than he is. But I have a feeling thats what you will become, and to be honest, Palestinians had nothing to do with that, but you will commit genocide on a people who are innocent.


Israel had a buffer zone (called settlements) in Gaza. While those settlements existed, there was little shelling of Israel proper.

A few years ago, Israel agreed to remove those settlements and in return the Palestinians would work for peace.
The day the settlements were abandoned, Israel started being shelled.

Israel can scorch earth the first few miles of north Gaza to prevent the cover being used by the militants. They were willing to give land for peace, HAmas showed they do not want peace.

Then last year, Israel agreed to relax the restrictiions when Hamas stated that they would honor a cease fire. thee day the cease fire went into effect, rockets were launched. Hamas then stated, that they would honor the cease fire, BUT NOT FORCE others to honor it. But Israel was expected to honro their part of the agreement.

Hamas is a democratically elected government that has declared was on Israel and complains when ISrael performs acts of war on them.

WAR is not one sided; sooner or later, Israel is going to take the gloves off and Hamas can be an PLO/Arafat - crying to the world that they have no home.

Gaza is no Southern Lebanon - they will have no where to run.