Road to Guantanamo

[Starbuck1975]

Do we hold them without charge until everyone in the M.E. either loves us or is dead?
Whats the plan?

Well there lies the challenge...because terrorists do not serve under a sovereign nation that can surrender, there could potentially be no end to their status as POWs.

However, terrorists or insurgents captured during combat operations are combatants...as POWs, there are no "charges" against them as their status is not a matter of criminality. Similarly, there is no trial, as there is no due process for POWs.

American G.I.s and Germany soldiers captured during WW2 were not charged with a crime, nor did they receive due process. They simply remained as POWs until they were either liberated by their comrades, or the war ended.

The whole WOT creates a vacuum when it comes to precedence...I don't have an answer.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

The whole WOT creates a vacuum when it comes to precedence...I don't have an answer.

Indeed it does. Fair enough.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: keird

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: keird
I?m beginning to form an opinion of you.

That's handy since I've already formed a rather negative opinion of you when I read this "A press that reveals our tactics, techniques and procedures used to defeat our enemies, as well as announcing to the world every falter of our military and administration is unconscionable". See, that bolded part is, IMHO, one of the greatest strengths of this fine nation of ours.

At least we both now know how much of a dangerous lunatic the other is.

Indeed we do.

Hey, I tried to PM a reply to you...but you seem to not accept PM's, just wondering if that's intentional or not

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
[After 5 years of warfare, there are less than 500 prisoners at Gitmo. If we were so careless in our screening, dont you think that number would be a bit higher?

Hundreds have already been released. Or don't they teach you that in HUMINT training?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: palehorse74
[After 5 years of warfare, there are less than 500 prisoners at Gitmo. If we were so careless in our screening, dont you think that number would be a bit higher?

Hundreds have already been released. Or don't they teach you that in HUMINT training?

i choose to live in the here-and-now. Also, doesn't the release of several hundred somehow reduce the impact of most of your argument? oh ya...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: palehorse74
[After 5 years of warfare, there are less than 500 prisoners at Gitmo. If we were so careless in our screening, dont you think that number would be a bit higher?

Hundreds have already been released. Or don't they teach you that in HUMINT training?

i choose to ignore the facts that have transpired in the past. Also, I agree the release of several hundred completely proves your argument. oh ya...

Thanks for finally seeing the light.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: conjur
Thanks for finally seeing the light.

lol... i've discovered that logic is your kryptonite... good stuff!

have you ever tried debating the actual issues, or is your entire modus operandi based upon personal insults and immature responses?

let's try this again: doesnt the release of several hundred prisoners at Gitmo, bringing their total number after five years of warfare to below 500, kinda take some of the wind out of the sails of those who feel that Gitmo is a bulnderous abuse of the masses?

Do you also choose to ignore all of the reports showing the extremely humane conditions at Gitmo and the care given to all prisoners? Or how about the firsthand testimony of former Gitmo interrgators who describe the sessions as nothing more than "get to know me" discussions?

 

[DealMonkey]

One prisoner in legal limbo without any charges made against him and with no legal procedure in place to handle their case is one prisoner too many.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
let's try this again: doesnt the release of several hundred prisoners at Gitmo, bringing their total number after five years of warfare to below 500, kinda take some of the wind out of the sails of those who feel that Gitmo is a bulnderous abuse of the masses?

Ah, you've managed to drop the BS RWingnut talking point. Good job!

Now to address your question: NO. Not in the least. First off, those who've already been released were held for a very long period of time w/o access to legal representation and were abused and even tortured in the process.

I've brought to your attention several times and you keep ignoring this fact:

The Northern Alliance was being paid by the US for anyone they would turn over. The NA would find anyone looking like an Arab and turn them over to the US.

You, in your vast knowledge of Afghanistan and radical Islamic groups should also know that Al Qaeda is a very small group, perhaps only a couple hundred very close to bin Laden and that Al Qaeda is greatly in the minority when it comes to tactics in the fight to restore governments following Mohammed's guidelines given directly to him from Allah. bin Laden and his "Al Qaeda" (A name he never used until after the US started using it to cover pretty much all radical Islamic groups, sparingly after 1998, profusely after 9/11).

If the **Official** Torture Thread were still around, I could point you to numerous articles and reports showing that the vast majority of those detained at Guantanamo were completely innocent or, at worst, were members of radical Islamic groups but were not involved in the fight against the US.

Do you also choose to ignore all of the reports showing the extremely humane conditions at Gitmo and the care given to all prisoners?

What reports? Those given by members of Congress after having been on special tours? Or perhaps the recent report from Napolitano of FAUX Spews, after all press visits were banned, he still managed to get an escorted trip. How convenient.

Or how about the firsthand testimony of former Gitmo interrgators who describe the sessions as nothing more than "get to know me" discussions?

Such as?

 

[keird]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Hey, I tried to PM a reply to you...but you seem to not accept PM's, just wondering if that's intentional or not

I just enabled them - never got a PM before.

 

[KeyserSoze]

Wow, just saw this. Good movie. I can't say that we can take everything in the "docu-drama" for truth, I will stipulate that. It is impossible to prove all of the claims. But the simple fact that they were held for that long and then just released with out any charges at all, makes me very furious. And it SHOULD make you all just as angry. We can not sit here and be this beacon of light for the world and claim to be the moral authority, when we treat people like this.

It was disgusting.




KS

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: palehorse74
let's try this again: doesnt the release of several hundred prisoners at Gitmo, bringing their total number after five years of warfare to below 500, kinda take some of the wind out of the sails of those who feel that Gitmo is a bulnderous abuse of the masses?

Ah, you've managed to drop the BS RWingnut talking point. Good job!

Now to address your question: NO. Not in the least. First off, those who've already been released were held for a very long period of time w/o access to legal representation and were abused and even tortured in the process.

I've brought to your attention several times and you keep ignoring this fact:

The Northern Alliance was being paid by the US for anyone they would turn over. The NA would find anyone looking like an Arab and turn them over to the US.

You, in your vast knowledge of Afghanistan and radical Islamic groups should also know that Al Qaeda is a very small group, perhaps only a couple hundred very close to bin Laden and that Al Qaeda is greatly in the minority when it comes to tactics in the fight to restore governments following Mohammed's guidelines given directly to him from Allah. bin Laden and his "Al Qaeda" (A name he never used until after the US started using it to cover pretty much all radical Islamic groups, sparingly after 1998, profusely after 9/11).

If the **Official** Torture Thread were still around, I could point you to numerous articles and reports showing that the vast majority of those detained at Guantanamo were completely innocent or, at worst, were members of radical Islamic groups but were not involved in the fight against the US.

Do you also choose to ignore all of the reports showing the extremely humane conditions at Gitmo and the care given to all prisoners?

What reports? Those given by members of Congress after having been on special tours? Or perhaps the recent report from Napolitano of FAUX Spews, after all press visits were banned, he still managed to get an escorted trip. How convenient.

Or how about the firsthand testimony of former Gitmo interrgators who describe the sessions as nothing more than "get to know me" discussions?

Such as?

?????????

 

[conjur]

Looks like paleface is just like his hero. CUT AND RUN!!

 

[Thump553]

Has anyone actually seen this documentary? The local paper reviewed it, and basically said it was awful and unpersuasive.