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dank69

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My guess is that there wasn't as much space as you thought. I would also wager that you drove along at 10 under after the stop sign. I only say this becuase it's almost a certainty that people who rush to pull out of their driveway drive extra slow. If not, the guy was a dick.

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Truest words I've read on the internet all day. :thumbsup:
 

Aikouka

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I've noticed this too. In fact, these people are coming to a near panic stop only to leave 3-5+ car lengths and then idle up to the person. They also do it during stop and go rush hour traffic.

Ugh, I've definitely seen that before, and I've seen it enough that I've dubbed it the "red light crawl." I just don't get why people cannot come to an initial complete stop where they actually want to stop.

Although, it is fun to mess around with the southern drivers. They really don't seem to like it when you stop right behind them. Apparently, there's this crazy belief that there will be this crazy multi-car pile-up if you don't leave multiple car lengths. So, when I do stop directly behind them, they almost always move up a bit so they have that safety buffer. Unfortunately for them, I don't leave it at that, and I'll usually move up again just to bother them. :p
 
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Ugh, I've definitely seen that before, and I've seen it enough that I've dubbed it the "red light crawl." I just don't get why people cannot come to an initial complete stop where they actually want to stop.

Although, it is fun to mess around with the southern drivers. They really don't seem to like it when you stop right behind them. Apparently, there's this crazy belief that there will be this crazy multi-car pile-up if you don't leave multiple car lengths. So, when I do stop directly behind them, they almost always move up a bit so they have that safety buffer. Unfortunately for them, I don't leave it at that, and I'll usually move up again just to bother them. :p


WTF is wrong with you? People just like this, are exactly what's wrong with our society today.

You are essentially a real-life troll.
 
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Ugh, I've definitely seen that before, and I've seen it enough that I've dubbed it the "red light crawl." I just don't get why people cannot come to an initial complete stop where they actually want to stop.

Although, it is fun to mess around with the southern drivers. They really don't seem to like it when you stop right behind them. Apparently, there's this crazy belief that there will be this crazy multi-car pile-up if you don't leave multiple car lengths. So, when I do stop directly behind them, they almost always move up a bit so they have that safety buffer. Unfortunately for them, I don't leave it at that, and I'll usually move up again just to bother them. :p

I hate hate hate it when people leave ridiculously excessive amounts of space between their cars and the car in front of them.

Yeah I get the whole leaving enough room in case someone hits you from behind, etc, but when you leave 2+ car lengths, you are just being a dick by making the line longer than necessary. I'm always tempted to just pull into that open space, but I never do b/c I'm afraid of the dumbass closing the gap and hitting me, which would probably make me at fault.

I just don't get why they would need to keep so much space between the cars. 1 car length is plenty and probably more than enough.
 

Aikouka

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WTF is wrong with you? People just like this, are exactly what's wrong with our society today.

You are essentially a real-life troll.

Yeesh, I was only joking. I've done it once or twice just to see if they would actually move up again. I don't like contributing to the "red light crawl", so I prefer to avoid moving up unnecessarily.

Although, now that you've professed as to being so butt-hurt over something so minor, I will now make it my mission to troll the shit out of every goddamn Southern driver that I encounter. :twisted:

I just don't get why they would need to keep so much space between the cars. 1 car length is plenty and probably more than enough.

When I lived in New York, I never noticed people leaving so much space. They would maybe leave a car length at max, but even that wasn't common. That's why it was so surprising to see down here, but what's worse is that the only reason they do it is a "what if?" "What if the car behind me doesn't stop and I get hit!"

How many people here have been rear-ended at a stop light? I never have been nor have I even had a close call, and I've been driving for over a decade. In other words, if I were to do that, I could be inconveniencing someone for something that chances are will not happen.
 
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Yeesh, I was only joking. I've done it once or twice just to see if they would actually move up again. I don't like contributing to the "red light crawl", so I prefer to avoid moving up unnecessarily.

Although, now that you've professed as to being so butt-hurt over something so minor, I will now make it my mission to troll the shit out of every goddamn Southern driver that I encounter. :twisted:



When I lived in New York, I never noticed people leaving so much space. They would maybe leave a car length at max, but even that wasn't common. That's why it was so surprising to see down here, but what's worse is that the only reason they do it is a "what if?" "What if the car behind me doesn't stop and I get hit!"

How many people here have been rear-ended at a stop light? I never have been nor have I even had a close call, and I've been driving for over a decade. In other words, if I were to do that, I could be inconveniencing someone for something that chances are will not happen.


Honestly, I don't even think that the majority of people who do leave large spaces like that is doing it for safety reasons. I just get the feeling that they are either 1) terrible at depth perception, or 2) selfish dicks that just think they are badass for leaving so much room for themselves.
 

BassBomb

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Sounds like OP didn't merge properly... The other guy was definitely not being helpful in letting you merge or adjusting his speed to help you (either speed up or slow down). But it sounds like you didn't take the move when you could have or didn't try to sync up with the traffic speed get behind or in front of the guy
 

NoCreativity

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Sounds like OP didn't merge properly... The other guy was definitely not being helpful in letting you merge or adjusting his speed to help you (either speed up or slow down). But it sounds like you didn't take the move when you could have or didn't try to sync up with the traffic speed get behind or in front of the guy

Did you have a signal on OP? In my younger days if a merger didn't have a signal on I wouldn't move for them. Figured if they couldn't make the effort to put a blinker on I didn't feel like making the effort to change lanes or adjust speed.
 

dank69

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Did you have a signal on OP? In my younger days if a merger didn't have a signal on I wouldn't move for them. Figured if they couldn't make the effort to put a blinker on I didn't feel like making the effort to change lanes or adjust speed.
Signals are for alerting other drivers what you intend to do. When you see people entering the highway you already know they intend to merge into traffic, so why do you think they NEED to signal? Does someone in a left turn only lane NEED to signal?

I'm sure there are laws on the books that say legally you have to signal in these situations, but not sure if they are universal. :hmm:
 

Blackjack200

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Ugh, I've definitely seen that before, and I've seen it enough that I've dubbed it the "red light crawl." I just don't get why people cannot come to an initial complete stop where they actually want to stop.

Although, it is fun to mess around with the southern drivers. They really don't seem to like it when you stop right behind them. Apparently, there's this crazy belief that there will be this crazy multi-car pile-up if you don't leave multiple car lengths. So, when I do stop directly behind them, they almost always move up a bit so they have that safety buffer. Unfortunately for them, I don't leave it at that, and I'll usually move up again just to bother them. :p

Wow, I really laughed out loud when I read this. I love messing with people by just rolling up a foot or two at the red light, just to see if they creep up behind me to keep the same gap. I crack up when they do. I never imagined that we might be trolling each other. :D
 

jayzds

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I hate hate hate it when people leave ridiculously excessive amounts of space between their cars and the car in front of them.

Yeah I get the whole leaving enough room in case someone hits you from behind, etc, but when you leave 2+ car lengths, you are just being a dick by making the line longer than necessary. I'm always tempted to just pull into that open space, but I never do b/c I'm afraid of the dumbass closing the gap and hitting me, which would probably make me at fault.

I just don't get why they would need to keep so much space between the cars. 1 car length is plenty and probably more than enough.

Your correct that you would be at fault if you were in an accident when you had to slam on the brakes right when you went into the lane with no room and they hit you from behind.

One car length is not plenty and is most likely tailgating. The faster you go the more room you need and two car lengths is not enough room at a high rate of speed if you need to slam on the brakes.
 

NoCreativity

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Signals are for alerting other drivers what you intend to do. When you see people entering the highway you already know they intend to merge into traffic, so why do you think they NEED to signal? Does someone in a left turn only lane NEED to signal?

I'm sure there are laws on the books that say legally you have to signal in these situations, but not sure if they are universal. :hmm:

They don't NEED to signal, just like I don't NEED to yield since they know I have right-of-way (at least in MI). Point is, if you can't make the effort to use a signal, why should I make the effort to adjust for you?

Does anybody really need to signal? Hell half of the people don't and it's not like it's complete chaos on the roads. To me it's more of a courtesy than a necessity.

I also said in my younger days. I've realized that it's just easier to move over/adjust speed than to let mergers do the thinking since most don't seem to.
 

Aikouka

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Wow, I really laughed out loud when I read this. I love messing with people by just rolling up a foot or two at the red light, just to see if they creep up behind me to keep the same gap. I crack up when they do. I never imagined that we might be trolling each other.

This sounds a lot like one of those Xzibit memes. :hmm:

As for me, my usual rule is that if I can see your tires, I'm too far away from you. This of course depends on what kind of vehicle I am behind, but it works well for most vehicles that aren't jacked up trucks. Actually thinking about it, that makes it valid for about 5% of the vehicles around here. :biggrin: I've never understood the obsession with people and ridiculously large trucks... especially when the truck's bed is neater than the bed at home! (i.e. they never use it)

Now, back to red light rollin'. I always wonder what people are thinking when they're the first car at a red light, and I see them roll up to the white line... then again past the white line... then again up into the crosswalk. What really boggles my mind in regard to this is how the person is always flippin' slow! The person seems really impatient; yet once it's time to go, they're driving Miss Daisy. o_O

I think this is another one of those things that I can chock up to my usual phrase: "Southern drivers are weird."

Signals are for alerting other drivers what you intend to do. When you see people entering the highway you already know they intend to merge into traffic, so why do you think they NEED to signal? Does someone in a left turn only lane NEED to signal?

I'm sure there are laws on the books that say legally you have to signal in these situations, but not sure if they are universal.

There are some crazy exceptions to this. We have a lot of combined on-ramp/off-ramps, but one of them is an on-ramp from an interstate that goes to an off-ramp to a totally different road (normally, the on-ramp and off-ramp both come from and go to the same road). If I see someone coming up the on-ramp, I usually always move over ahead of time even though they may be keeping on the ramp to get off onto the other road (I've done it plenty of times).

Personally, I always use the turn signal. It doesn't really hurt anything.

Honestly, I don't even think that the majority of people who do leave large spaces like that is doing it for safety reasons. I just get the feeling that they are either 1) terrible at depth perception, or 2) selfish dicks that just think they are badass for leaving so much room for themselves.

Speaking of depth perception, the one thing I am terrible at is judging how much space is ahead of my car while parking. I almost always think, "oh I must be right on top of the guy!", and I usually have a foot of space left. Since my car isn't terribly large, it isn't protruding out of my spot or anthing, so it isn't a problem. It is a tad bit embarrassing for me though! :oops:
 

dank69

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They don't NEED to signal, just like I don't NEED to yield since they know I have right-of-way (at least in MI). Point is, if you can't make the effort to use a signal, why should I make the effort to adjust for you?

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So if someone isn't redundant they are lazy?

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There are some crazy exceptions to this. We have a lot of combined on-ramp/off-ramps, but one of them is an on-ramp from an interstate that goes to an off-ramp to a totally different road (normally, the on-ramp and off-ramp both come from and go to the same road). If I see someone coming up the on-ramp, I usually always move over ahead of time even though they may be keeping on the ramp to get off onto the other road (I've done it plenty of times).

Personally, I always use the turn signal. It doesn't really hurt anything.

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Of course, if there is any ambiguity a signal should be used. I'm talking about when there isn't any ambiguity. Turn only lanes or entrances that aren't also exits.
 
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Your correct that you would be at fault if you were in an accident when you had to slam on the brakes right when you went into the lane with no room and they hit you from behind.

One car length is not plenty and is most likely tailgating. The faster you go the more room you need and two car lengths is not enough room at a high rate of speed if you need to slam on the brakes.

Yes, I agree, 1 car length is not enough while DRIVING.

At a stop light and stopped, 1 car length is more than enough room.
 

alkemyst

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I am merging onto two lane 50mph freeway type deal. There are no cars in left lane, one vehicle (this guys) in right lane. He is absolutely zooming by. I keep going to merge but notice him speeding and slow to a near halt to allow him to pass me and I will just merge after him. He slows down in order to beep at me and flip me off as he passes by. I go into right lane and continue driving. I am going 40mph. He slows down, gets right next to my car, and my window and his were down. He yells, "HEY GUY." I hear a popping noise and after feeling a spray of fluid realize I have been spat at by him. Then he cuts in front of me and starts slamming on breaks and stuff. All the while I am not fucking with him because I don't want him to hit me, throw something at my car, anything. I never escalate stuff while driving. Ever.

You are supposed to yield when merging...they don't have to 'let you in'.

Two wrongs here IMHO.
 

DrPizza

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Jeez, you really are a buzzkill Pizza. If you want to enter a contest measuring drag forces vs momentum of the beer bottle, please, be my guest.

There's a contest?! Of "the beer bottle" or of "a beer bottle." Maybe the one thrown at you didn't obey the laws of physics.
 

DrPizza

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You are supposed to yield when merging...they don't have to 'let you in'.

Two wrongs here IMHO.

The don't "have to," but a courteous driver will assist other drivers in making the merge safer for everyone. If there's plenty of room in the left lane, a courteous driver will move over.
 

Aikouka

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I think they've been having secret Southerner meetings to discuss me or something, because I had yet another interesting encounter on the way to lunch today! So, as I said, I'm driving to go to lunch with a coworker, and I've got a modest bit of space in between my car and the vehicle in front of me. Well, I see this Maxima coming up on my left. Now, the lane he is in eventually ends, and almost everyone merges into the lane that I'm in far before it ends. So, I assumed that this guy was going to get in front of me, and he did.

Now, I know I've seen a few people complain about cars getting into the buffer that you leave between your vehicle and the vehicle in front of you. Personally, it doesn't bother me as long as you don't start slowing down traffic and you use your turn signal. However, that is pretty much what this guy did. So, the speed limit on this road gradually drops (55->45->40->35->25), but for some reason, people started dropping a little bit lower than normal (i.e. 40 instead of 45). Since I let my car roll often, it ended up getting a little close to that Maxima that got in front of me.

All of a sudden, his brake lights come on, but I'm pretty used to people randomly slowing down in this part, so I just slow down. I peered through his rear window to try and get a look at the road ahead of him (traffic sometimes gets bad in that stretch), and I was pretty sure that I saw no cars directly in front of him. I get this puzzled look on my face and turn to my coworker, "did he just brake check me?" I just shrug it off and keep going. There's a traffic signal down the road further, and there's a bit of construction going on at that intersection. That construction has been causing some premature traffic light changes, so we end up getting stopped a bit away from the intersection.

As the cars start to move ahead toward the intersection, the guy just turns around and looks back at us. Personally, I couldn't care less about this guy, but I'm a bit annoyed that he's holding me and everyone else behind me up. I don't do anything, but my coworker raises his hands essentially saying "huh?" The guy starts going again, and we get up to the light. I end up shifting over to the left lane (this lane just opens right before the intersection), and now we're right beside the guy. I just keep looking forward, because I still don't care. My coworker looks over and apparently the guy is saying something along the lines of "You fucking ride my ass!?"

What a weirdo.

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Oh, how did I forget what was probably the best part! So, after he peers back at us and starts going again, apparently he didn't want to see us or something, and all of a sudden this visor thing just rises up covering his rear window. It was almost like a limo's separator window.

I can just picture the guy saying, "I'll show those fuckin' kids!" *pushes the visor button* *bzzzzzzzzzzzzz*

After we saw that, my coworker and I just looked at each other with a face much like this emoticon: o_O
 
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Aikouka

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^^ Anime avatar. yup.

I know we're not cool unless we have the turban in the avatar. :p

Did you also miss the username in Japanese? I've only been using it for over a decade. There's an interesting story behind it too... or at least it's interesting to me. :p
 

DrPizza

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Jeez, you really are a buzzkill Pizza. If you want to enter a contest measuring drag forces vs momentum of the beer bottle, please, be my guest.
Buzzkill?? There's no way there's any buzz in all the bullshit. The best that's going to happen is a Bppppbbbbppppt.
 

ShawnD1

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Lol confirmed you don't know how to drive. Slows down and then stops when merging. Good plan. :thumbsup:

You should come to Edmonton, Canada. Sign says 100? Let's merge going 60. I'm sure that 18 wheeler will slow down to prevent killing me. Durrrrrrrr