RNC tells TV stations not to run anti-Bush ads

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

so your basically saying point of procedure is more important than the law itself? no one is saying the RNC owns the law(actually the DEMS do through judicial appointment...)

would you agree the ad in question should not be run until such time as the issues works it's way through the judicial system?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

The RNC has every right to question this and who are you to say what the "appropriate channels" are. Is it not their right to send the letters? The stations know the RNC has no power to regulate what they air, but that doesn't mean the RNC can't make them look at things closer to see if they are helping some organization to skirt the law.
I'm pretty sure if the Right has an "organization" called GetOverItAlready.org that was doing this instead of NeverMovedOn - the DNC would be doing similar things to stop/question it.

CkG

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

You didn't answer the question. Is it or is it not common practice for lawyers to write these kinds of letters prior to any legal actions being taken? Yes or No? The answer is, yes it is very common for it to happen. The only difference in this case is that it happens to be the RNC's lawyers and it gives the usual bunch of whiney bastards something else to whine about.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

so your basically saying point of procedure is more important than the law itself? no one is saying the RNC owns the law(actually the DEMS do through judicial appointment...)

would you agree the ad in question should not be run until such time as the issues works it's way through the judicial system?

Point of Procedure is the Law. Listen, this is a boneheaded move for a political party in this position(Pres, Senate, House controlled by party in question), a government that is criticized for a number of practices already such as unprecedented Secrecy and stonewalling investigations that itself has instituted. The RNC is acting as an arm of Government, which it legally is not. Make the complaint.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

You didn't answer the question. Is it or is it not common practice for lawyers to write these kinds of letters prior to any legal actions being taken? Yes or No? The answer is, yes it is very common for it to happen. The only difference in this case is that it happens to be the RNC's lawyers and it gives the usual bunch of whiney bastards something else to whine about.

Your point is moot. The RNC does not have the Legal position of being a Lawyer representing the Law or the Government. It could, however, announce their intention to make the complaint of the possibility of wrongdoing on the part of MoveOn.org, but it can't act in the position of Judge/Jury and outright claim contravention of the Law.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Point of Procedure is the Law. Listen, this is a boneheaded move for a political party in this position(Pres, Senate, House controlled by party in question), a government that is criticized for a number of practices already such as unprecedented Secrecy and stonewalling investigations that itself has instituted. The RNC is acting as an arm of Government, which it legally is not. Make the complaint.

i know point of procedure is the law, apparantly it is the only one that matters(BTW ever hear of oliver wendell holmes?). would you apply this same logic to protestors who demonstrate without a permit, or an individual in the same prediciment doing the same thing in the same situation? going by your logic poeple should not act as "arms of the government" and contact TV/radio stations about content they do not like.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

You didn't answer the question. Is it or is it not common practice for lawyers to write these kinds of letters prior to any legal actions being taken? Yes or No? The answer is, yes it is very common for it to happen. The only difference in this case is that it happens to be the RNC's lawyers and it gives the usual bunch of whiney bastards something else to whine about.

Your point is moot. The RNC does not have the Legal position of being a Lawyer representing the Law or the Government. It could, however, announce their intention to make the complaint of the possibility of wrongdoing on the part of MoveOn.org, but it can't act in the position of Judge/Jury and outright claim contravention of the Law.

Bullsh!t. The RNC's lawyers have every right to write a letter urging MoveOn to quit running those adds based on the belief that what they are doing is illegal. The ACLU and many other groups do it all the time. Lawyers do it every day. It is all part of the game that all lawyers play. It's no different than what MS lawyers did with that mikerowesoft website or whatever it was. Like I said before it happens constantly and the only difference is that it's the RNC and the usual bunch gets something else to whine and rant about. My point is moot? I'd say it's right in the middle of the 10 ring.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Bullsh!t. The RNC's lawyers have every right to write a letter urging MoveOn to quit running those adds based on the belief that what they are doing is illegal. The ACLU and many other groups do it all the time. Lawyers do it every day. It is all part of the game that all lawyers play. It's no different than what MS lawyers did with that mikerowesoft website or whatever it was. Like I said before it happens constantly and the only difference is that it's the RNC and the usual bunch gets something else to whine and rant about. My point is moot? I'd say it's right in the middle of the 10 ring.

you just dont get it, only libs have freedom of speech, everyone else is supposed to shut up and not complain while they talk.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

You didn't answer the question. Is it or is it not common practice for lawyers to write these kinds of letters prior to any legal actions being taken? Yes or No? The answer is, yes it is very common for it to happen. The only difference in this case is that it happens to be the RNC's lawyers and it gives the usual bunch of whiney bastards something else to whine about.

Your point is moot. The RNC does not have the Legal position of being a Lawyer representing the Law or the Government. It could, however, announce their intention to make the complaint of the possibility of wrongdoing on the part of MoveOn.org, but it can't act in the position of Judge/Jury and outright claim contravention of the Law.

Bullsh!t. The RNC's lawyers have every right to write a letter urging MoveOn to quit running those adds based on the belief that what they are doing is illegal. The ACLU and many other groups do it all the time. Lawyers do it every day. It is all part of the game that all lawyers play. It's no different than what MS lawyers did with that mikerowesoft website or whatever it was. Like I said before it happens constantly and the only difference is that it's the RNC and the usual bunch gets something else to whine and rant about. My point is moot? I'd say it's right in the middle of the 10 ring.

They didn't contact MoveOn.org, they contacted Media Outlets. All your examples (MS or ACLU) concern parties who either have Property Rights or have been harmed by those contacted. The RNC has no Property Right to this(or any)Law, neither have they contacted the Party which has "harmed" them.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: sandorski

Point of Procedure is the Law. Listen, this is a boneheaded move for a political party in this position(Pres, Senate, House controlled by party in question), a government that is criticized for a number of practices already such as unprecedented Secrecy and stonewalling investigations that itself has instituted. The RNC is acting as an arm of Government, which it legally is not. Make the complaint.

i know point of procedure is the law, apparantly it is the only one that matters(BTW ever hear of oliver wendell holmes?). would you apply this same logic to protestors who demonstrate without a permit, or an individual in the same prediciment doing the same thing in the same situation? going by your logic poeple should not act as "arms of the government" and contact TV/radio stations about content they do not like.

People complaining about Media Content and the RNC stating Legalities as if it were absolute truth are 2 entirely different things. The other 2 situations you call the Cops(Point of Procedure).

 

[Jhhnn]

Bullsh!t. The RNC's lawyers have every right to write a letter urging MoveOn to quit running those adds based on the belief that what they are doing is illegal.

That's not the point, and not what they're doing. They're urging the Media not to run the ads because the RNC wants those ads to be illegal. If the ads are illegal, there's really no fault for the media outlets who run them, but rather on MoveOn who buys the air time, prior to any ruling by the FEC.

Kinda like LSD in the early sixties, or Salvia Divinorum today- it's not illegal until after the govt says it's illegal, regardless of the insinuations of the RNC or anybody else.

Straight up intimidation and fearmongering, something they seem to have perfected since 9/11... When Al Capone said you don't sell the other guys' beer, you didn't sell it, or else... Nowadays, the thugs don't break your legs, just your livelihood.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

You didn't answer the question. Is it or is it not common practice for lawyers to write these kinds of letters prior to any legal actions being taken? Yes or No? The answer is, yes it is very common for it to happen. The only difference in this case is that it happens to be the RNC's lawyers and it gives the usual bunch of whiney bastards something else to whine about.

Your point is moot. The RNC does not have the Legal position of being a Lawyer representing the Law or the Government. It could, however, announce their intention to make the complaint of the possibility of wrongdoing on the part of MoveOn.org, but it can't act in the position of Judge/Jury and outright claim contravention of the Law.

Bullsh!t. The RNC's lawyers have every right to write a letter urging MoveOn to quit running those adds based on the belief that what they are doing is illegal. The ACLU and many other groups do it all the time. Lawyers do it every day. It is all part of the game that all lawyers play. It's no different than what MS lawyers did with that mikerowesoft website or whatever it was. Like I said before it happens constantly and the only difference is that it's the RNC and the usual bunch gets something else to whine and rant about. My point is moot? I'd say it's right in the middle of the 10 ring.

They didn't contact MoveOn.org, they contacted Media Outlets. All your examples (MS or ACLU) concern parties who either have Property Rights or have been harmed by those contacted. The RNC has no Property Right to this(or any)Law, neither have they contacted the Party which has "harmed" them.

And again your point is bullsh!t because when MS contacted mikerowesoft they certainly claimed that there was contravention of the law. It doesn't matter what the issue is, they did the very same thing that the RNC is doing here. If I'm not mistaken they also contacted that guys ISP which, ithout question, is the same thing that is happening here.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: sandorski

People complaining about Media Content and the RNC stating Legalities as if it were absolute truth are 2 entirely different things. The other 2 situations you call the Cops(Point of Procedure).

how is that? ROFL!! the cops will say "call a lawyer" which is what the RNC is doing. legalities ARE absolute, something is either against the law, or it is not.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Bullsh!t. The RNC's lawyers have every right to write a letter urging MoveOn to quit running those adds based on the belief that what they are doing is illegal.

That's not the point, and not what they're doing. They're urging the Media not to run the ads because the RNC wants those ads to be illegal. If the ads are illegal, there's really no fault for the media outlets who run them, but rather on MoveOn who buys the air time, prior to any ruling by the FEC.

Kinda like LSD in the early sixties, or Salvia Divinorum today- it's not illegal until after the govt says it's illegal, regardless of the insinuations of the RNC or anybody else.

Straight up intimidation and fearmongering, something they seem to have perfected since 9/11... When Al Capone said you don't sell the other guys' beer, you didn't sell it, or else... Nowadays, the thugs don't break your legs, just your livelihood.

The media is responsible for what they air. While they aren't liable for NeverMovedOn's financial issues - they do have the power/responsibility to question wether or not they are aiding something that breaks the rules/law.

But since you guys seem hung up on who the RNC sent the letters to instead of the real matter - would you be whining if the RNC filed a formal complaint AND sent letters to the stations?

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Until the FEC or FCC takes a look at this and decides if it's proper or not the RNC is blowing hot air. What's interesting is that the RNC decided to take their case directly to the TV/Cable stations in an attempt to strong-arm them into doing what they want, declaring that these stations are already violating the law:

"Now that you have been apprised of the law, to prevent further violations of federal law, we urge you to remove these advertisements from your station's broadcast rotation."

So, the RNC has already decided (being the proper authority on such things

) that these stations have already violated federal law. Besides, MoveOn.org is paying for these ads with limited soft money (small donations from individuals), there's no definitive proof that they're using their unlimited soft money (from big donors) to buy these spots.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

You didn't answer the question. Is it or is it not common practice for lawyers to write these kinds of letters prior to any legal actions being taken? Yes or No? The answer is, yes it is very common for it to happen. The only difference in this case is that it happens to be the RNC's lawyers and it gives the usual bunch of whiney bastards something else to whine about.

Your point is moot. The RNC does not have the Legal position of being a Lawyer representing the Law or the Government. It could, however, announce their intention to make the complaint of the possibility of wrongdoing on the part of MoveOn.org, but it can't act in the position of Judge/Jury and outright claim contravention of the Law.

Bullsh!t. The RNC's lawyers have every right to write a letter urging MoveOn to quit running those adds based on the belief that what they are doing is illegal. The ACLU and many other groups do it all the time. Lawyers do it every day. It is all part of the game that all lawyers play. It's no different than what MS lawyers did with that mikerowesoft website or whatever it was. Like I said before it happens constantly and the only difference is that it's the RNC and the usual bunch gets something else to whine and rant about. My point is moot? I'd say it's right in the middle of the 10 ring.

They didn't contact MoveOn.org, they contacted Media Outlets. All your examples (MS or ACLU) concern parties who either have Property Rights or have been harmed by those contacted. The RNC has no Property Right to this(or any)Law, neither have they contacted the Party which has "harmed" them.

And again your point is bullsh!t because when MS contacted mikerowesoft they certainly claimed that there was contravention of the law. It doesn't matter what the issue is, they did the very same thing that the RNC is doing here. If I'm not mistaken they also contacted that guys ISP which, ithout question, is the same thing that is happening here.

Microsoft was protecting their Property(I disagree, but that's another thread), it was their's. The RNC is not.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

So, the RNC has already decided (being the proper authority on such things

) that these stations have already violated federal law. Besides, MoveOn.org is paying for these ads with limited soft money (small donations from individuals), there's no definitive proof that they're using their unlimited soft money (from big donors) to buy these spots.

does move on.org have proof such as cancelled checks, credit transactions..etc? that should be pretty easy to produce.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Bullsh!t. The RNC's lawyers have every right to write a letter urging MoveOn to quit running those adds based on the belief that what they are doing is illegal.

That's not the point, and not what they're doing. They're urging the Media not to run the ads because the RNC wants those ads to be illegal. If the ads are illegal, there's really no fault for the media outlets who run them, but rather on MoveOn who buys the air time, prior to any ruling by the FEC.

Kinda like LSD in the early sixties, or Salvia Divinorum today- it's not illegal until after the govt says it's illegal, regardless of the insinuations of the RNC or anybody else.

Straight up intimidation and fearmongering, something they seem to have perfected since 9/11... When Al Capone said you don't sell the other guys' beer, you didn't sell it, or else... Nowadays, the thugs don't break your legs, just your livelihood.

The media is responsible for what they air. While they aren't liable for NeverMovedOn's financial issues - they do have the power/responsibility to question wether or not they are aiding something that breaks the rules/law.

But since you guys seem hung up on who the RNC sent the letters to instead of the real matter - would you be whining if the RNC filed a formal complaint AND sent letters to the stations?

CkG

Cad we already know what this thread is about. Every time Jhhnn posts confirms it. It's about finding an issue that both brain cells can get wrapped around and whining and ranting about it. This is why their party is on the outside looking in ( and licking the windows I might add). They are devoid of ideas or issues but they have an overabundance of whiners and ranters. One would have thought that they learned this lesson in 2002 but I gave them way more credit than they deserved. Not only have these losers failed to control even a single part of the federal government they didn't even have the courage of their convictions to present a "loyal opposition". The "anybody but Bush" herd disgusts me in the extreme. Not only is it completely devoid of ideas/issues or alteratives it is a cowardly cop-out.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

You didn't answer the question. Is it or is it not common practice for lawyers to write these kinds of letters prior to any legal actions being taken? Yes or No? The answer is, yes it is very common for it to happen. The only difference in this case is that it happens to be the RNC's lawyers and it gives the usual bunch of whiney bastards something else to whine about.

Your point is moot. The RNC does not have the Legal position of being a Lawyer representing the Law or the Government. It could, however, announce their intention to make the complaint of the possibility of wrongdoing on the part of MoveOn.org, but it can't act in the position of Judge/Jury and outright claim contravention of the Law.

Bullsh!t. The RNC's lawyers have every right to write a letter urging MoveOn to quit running those adds based on the belief that what they are doing is illegal. The ACLU and many other groups do it all the time. Lawyers do it every day. It is all part of the game that all lawyers play. It's no different than what MS lawyers did with that mikerowesoft website or whatever it was. Like I said before it happens constantly and the only difference is that it's the RNC and the usual bunch gets something else to whine and rant about. My point is moot? I'd say it's right in the middle of the 10 ring.

They didn't contact MoveOn.org, they contacted Media Outlets. All your examples (MS or ACLU) concern parties who either have Property Rights or have been harmed by those contacted. The RNC has no Property Right to this(or any)Law, neither have they contacted the Party which has "harmed" them.

And again your point is bullsh!t because when MS contacted mikerowesoft they certainly claimed that there was contravention of the law. It doesn't matter what the issue is, they did the very same thing that the RNC is doing here. If I'm not mistaken they also contacted that guys ISP which, ithout question, is the same thing that is happening here.

Microsoft was protecting their Property(I disagree, but that's another thread), it was their's. The RNC is not.

Who besides MS said it was their property? Did the case go to court or was it handled by lawyers?

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

You didn't answer the question. Is it or is it not common practice for lawyers to write these kinds of letters prior to any legal actions being taken? Yes or No? The answer is, yes it is very common for it to happen. The only difference in this case is that it happens to be the RNC's lawyers and it gives the usual bunch of whiney bastards something else to whine about.

Your point is moot. The RNC does not have the Legal position of being a Lawyer representing the Law or the Government. It could, however, announce their intention to make the complaint of the possibility of wrongdoing on the part of MoveOn.org, but it can't act in the position of Judge/Jury and outright claim contravention of the Law.

Bullsh!t. The RNC's lawyers have every right to write a letter urging MoveOn to quit running those adds based on the belief that what they are doing is illegal. The ACLU and many other groups do it all the time. Lawyers do it every day. It is all part of the game that all lawyers play. It's no different than what MS lawyers did with that mikerowesoft website or whatever it was. Like I said before it happens constantly and the only difference is that it's the RNC and the usual bunch gets something else to whine and rant about. My point is moot? I'd say it's right in the middle of the 10 ring.

They didn't contact MoveOn.org, they contacted Media Outlets. All your examples (MS or ACLU) concern parties who either have Property Rights or have been harmed by those contacted. The RNC has no Property Right to this(or any)Law, neither have they contacted the Party which has "harmed" them.

And again your point is bullsh!t because when MS contacted mikerowesoft they certainly claimed that there was contravention of the law. It doesn't matter what the issue is, they did the very same thing that the RNC is doing here. If I'm not mistaken they also contacted that guys ISP which, ithout question, is the same thing that is happening here.

Microsoft was protecting their Property(I disagree, but that's another thread), it was their's. The RNC is not.

Who besides MS said it was their property? Did the case go to court or was it handled by lawyers?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

So, the RNC has already decided (being the proper authority on such things

) that these stations have already violated federal law. Besides, MoveOn.org is paying for these ads with limited soft money (small donations from individuals), there's no definitive proof that they're using their unlimited soft money (from big donors) to buy these spots.

does move on.org have proof such as cancelled checks, credit transactions..etc? that should be pretty easy to produce.

How would I know? They certainly don't have to prove anything to the RNC.

If the RNC has such a hard-on about these ads, they should have done the proper thing and filed a complaint with the FEC / FCC. Perhaps they have, I don't know. But when they go around sending letters from their attorneys to tv stations telling them that they're breaking federal law by running these spots, insinuating that the stations will be "complicit" in these illegal activities, it's nothing but blatent intimidation. The RNC has no legal authority to do anything.

They're simply being a bunch of pussies. Perhaps the RNC is running scared, eh Cad?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: sandorski

People complaining about Media Content and the RNC stating Legalities as if it were absolute truth are 2 entirely different things. The other 2 situations you call the Cops(Point of Procedure).

how is that? ROFL!! the cops will say "call a lawyer" which is what the RNC is doing. legalities ARE absolute, something is either against the law, or it is not.

*If* the Police tell you to call a Lawyer, sure, the Lawyer might notify the Protestors of the intention of applying for a Court Order to cease and desist, but that does not equate to what the RNC is doing. The RNC is not notifying the "Illegal Protestor".

Yes, something is either against the Law or it is not. The RNC has no place to declare one way or the other.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shouldn't the RNC be making a complaint to the the appropriate Governmental Agency(FCC?) instead of directly "Warning" media outlets? Let the appropriate channels/Courts Rule on the legality and then contact those involved, to do otherwise appears as Government/Political interference.

So it's not common practice for lawyers to send "please cease and desist" letters prior to actually filing a lawsuit? Say for instance someone was using copyrighted material on a web page. Would they go straight to court or send them a letter warning them of the violation?

This is pure politics nothing more, nothing less. The ranting in here is hilarious as usual. By reading some of these posts you'd swear this was the first campaign some of you had ever seen. Get a clue.

Is the RNC an Official of the Federal Government? The Law? No, the RNC does not own the law concerning this issue, it is merely a subject of it. The RNC should file a complaint through the appropriate channels. It is even very questionable if the Law is being contravened for God sake, let those responsible decide, not a Political Apparatus.

You didn't answer the question. Is it or is it not common practice for lawyers to write these kinds of letters prior to any legal actions being taken? Yes or No? The answer is, yes it is very common for it to happen. The only difference in this case is that it happens to be the RNC's lawyers and it gives the usual bunch of whiney bastards something else to whine about.

Your point is moot. The RNC does not have the Legal position of being a Lawyer representing the Law or the Government. It could, however, announce their intention to make the complaint of the possibility of wrongdoing on the part of MoveOn.org, but it can't act in the position of Judge/Jury and outright claim contravention of the Law.

Bullsh!t. The RNC's lawyers have every right to write a letter urging MoveOn to quit running those adds based on the belief that what they are doing is illegal. The ACLU and many other groups do it all the time. Lawyers do it every day. It is all part of the game that all lawyers play. It's no different than what MS lawyers did with that mikerowesoft website or whatever it was. Like I said before it happens constantly and the only difference is that it's the RNC and the usual bunch gets something else to whine and rant about. My point is moot? I'd say it's right in the middle of the 10 ring.

They didn't contact MoveOn.org, they contacted Media Outlets. All your examples (MS or ACLU) concern parties who either have Property Rights or have been harmed by those contacted. The RNC has no Property Right to this(or any)Law, neither have they contacted the Party which has "harmed" them.

And again your point is bullsh!t because when MS contacted mikerowesoft they certainly claimed that there was contravention of the law. It doesn't matter what the issue is, they did the very same thing that the RNC is doing here. If I'm not mistaken they also contacted that guys ISP which, ithout question, is the same thing that is happening here.

Microsoft was protecting their Property(I disagree, but that's another thread), it was their's. The RNC is not.

Who besides MS said it was their property? Did the case go to court or was it handled by lawyers?

The point, again, is moot. Microsoft "owns" Property that they assert Mike Rowe was violating.

 

[chowderhead]

I hope the RNC keeps on pressing this issue. The moveon ads will get more exposure this way.
remember the superbowl moveon ad ... I do thanks to CBS.

I also like the medicare ads that are running that tells old people hey ... you get free drugs ... right in time for the elections.

 

[Red Dawn]

The media outlets will run them if they are legal, not because of political affiliations but because of the opportunity to make money. If the RNC is just blowing smoke out its ass they will be ignored.