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RIP Ammo

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twinrider1 said:
Completely agree. All sizzle, no steak. And did I hear correctly....those bullets are CNC machined? I don't even want to guess how much they must cost.
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They are not going to be more $$ because of the process they are made but because of what they look like. All show and no go as I see a lot of feeding issues for this round.
 
Still cracking up over the batman voice narration and choice phrases like "Designed to go through every major obstacle in its path." So I guess I can blow up railroads with this! (reference to a craptastic claim made my Jesse Jackson)
 
Nope

Hollow points already have a problem feeding into some guns. That's why there's a lot of hollow points that are filled with plastic now. The plastic is soft enough that it doesn't affect the ballistics of the round once it hits, but helps feed the round.
 
What I said in the OMG Guns thread:

Can the RIP stuff even be called 'hollow point'? Ignoring the whole 'not jacketed so not JHP' thing...hollow points stay intact. That's more like a...'fragmentary' round, I guess? More or less turns into flechettes.

Whatever it is, it sure looks effective in their high speed video. But so little mass in those bits of copper...it wouldn't be under-penetration that worried me. It would be that the bullet split into so many tiny high speed fragments that it actually failed to efficiently transfer its force into the target. Far too much focus on the 'omg huge wound channel!' and way too little on that whole mass times acceleration thing. Deceleration, more accurately, but I think you guys knows what I mean...make the bullet go as fast as possible when fired, then make it STOP as fast as possible when it hits the target...how do these 'ammo engineers' not get that concept? If your round meets less resistance, congrats...it's less effective.

Those four-pronged, non-separating copper rounds I posted a ways back (just google 'copper hollow point' or something) seem like a much better idea.
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I rewatched the high speed shots and feel even more certain that even though it does look neat and makes you wanna say 'ooh how devastating' after watching the first supposed 'gel test'...yeah, these rounds make no sense.

If you figure the round base of the bullet is about a quarter of it's total mass (which seems on the low side, if anything)...that's a 24gr little copper disc barely more than a third of an inch wide...making each 'flechette' 7-8gr...that's a tiny little spike weighing around a half a gram. Probably doesn't even tumble effectively...just gonna make a little hole less than a tenth of an inch wide.

Basicaslly, this is shitty eight gauge birdshot for your 9mm.
 
Rakehellion said:
Is there a trend of people getting shot and not being dead enough?
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Yes. I think only about 1 in 6 handguns shootings are lethal. Just a few years ago a man was shot 27 times by the police and survived.

Of course this bullet sounds like a gimmick with numbers I'm skeptical of.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
I'm calling bullshit. Their energy numbers are way off and that video is most definitely not real ballistics gelatin. If the real-world performance was that good they wouldn't need to fake their promo materials.
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That's what I was thinking. There's no way this would actually work in real life.
 
Define 'work'? I would bet it works exactly as advertised...spinning bullet impacts flesh and all those skinny little spears start to bend outward, and probably snap and get flung off.

The question is 'does this do anything productive?'
 
Svnla said:
Placement/accuracy >>>>>>> all.

/thread.
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That's the most important piece of the puzzle, but even center of mass hits of a FMJ round can be survivable if they don't hit the heart. That's why expanding self defense rounds were invented.
 
Hoober said:
This.
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Didn't he miss a rules of physics? "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". So if a bullet was capable of knocking it's victim backwards 6', the force of it exiting the firearm would knock the shooter back six feet.
Assuming shooter and shootee weighed the same.
 
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dumbest shit I've seen all day.

1) No legit ammo company advertises their ballistics prowess with full auto pistols.

2) Proper defense ammo like the Federal HST, the Speer Gold Dot, Winchester Ranger and a few other top tier bullet designed are 'Bonded' meaning the jacket is adhered to the core. The point is to slow expansion and lessen fragmentation in order to help the bullet retain its weight all to the point of aiding penetration. This is totally counter to what these folks are doing.
 
Re: 1), I was assuming the machinepistols were to illustrate the lack of catastrophic jams.

Just to be fair.
 
oldsmoboat said:
Didn't he miss a rules of physics? "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". So if a bullet was capable of knocking it's victim backwards 6', the force of it exiting the firearm would knock the shooter back six feet.
Assuming shooter and shootee weighed the same.
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Yeah. I think his point about knocking somebody back 6' was tongue-in-cheek.

Edit: Scratch that -- it's not what he's saying at all. He was simply commenting on somebody else's asinine comment about being able to knock somebody back 'six or seven feet.' That's ridiculous. As the author stated in the article, if you have a 220lbs perp charging you, and you unload 15, the sheer force of his mass will continue to push him forward to some extent, until his legs fail and he simply drops.
 
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jjsole said:
Sounds like code for 'armor protective vests'.
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Yeah, I doubt that. They listed a bunch of stuff that is notorious for NOT being that good at stopping bullets. Can't say I've ever heard of a mugger holding up a sheet of drywall to protect themselves.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaL61Z0nzf0
I'll take these 12 gauge slugs over anything on the market for home defense or hunting deer. There aren't many home defense rounds (short of a 30-06) that can fuck with > 3000 ft-lbs of energy hitting you. I don't care if you're SWAT, slugs will still bludgeon through most normal armor.

Regarding OP, not sure you'd even need the R.I.P. bullets unless you need to have a pistol. Even then I'd prefer proven FMJ/armor piercing over it since there is no guarantee R.I.P. rounds will go through armor.
 
amddude said:
Black Talons aren't banned, winchester just stopped painting them black. Ranger SXT is the same shit.
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My mistake. Either way, political pressure caused them to stop making them in black.

Bets are gun grabbers will shit a brick over these.
 
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