Riots in France

[arsbanned]

Streeplerot
What about this specific story though? Are you sure you've got the facts right? You seem to be jumping to conclusions.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
France may have issues but they sure know how to get the attention of the government when they are pissed.

apathetic americans have a lot to learn from our sister in democracy.

We damn well should have had riots for months after some of the sh1t the government gets away with.

Anytime you have an "Equal Opportunities Minister" in your governement you give a voice to irrational people.

The French governement should meet force with force. These people were given the right to live in a Democratic, free society. If they don't like or rebel against the government they should be relocated back to their home countries. Same thing applies to the Mullahs in Britian that spew violent rhetoric all day without fear of retribution.

Where did the freedom of speech go? How is the President of USA allowed to call other soveriegn nations "Axis of Evil" but mullahs cannot criticize?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
France may have issues but they sure know how to get the attention of the government when they are pissed.

apathetic americans have a lot to learn from our sister in democracy.

We damn well should have had riots for months after some of the sh1t the government gets away with.

Anytime you have an "Equal Opportunities Minister" in your governement you give a voice to irrational people.

The French governement should meet force with force. These people were given the right to live in a Democratic, free society. If they don't like or rebel against the government they should be relocated back to their home countries. Same thing applies to the Mullahs in Britian that spew violent rhetoric all day without fear of retribution.

Where did the freedom of speech go? How is the President of USA allowed to call other soveriegn nations "Axis of Evil" but mullahs cannot criticize?

There are limits to all kinds of freedom. Many countries prohibit hate speech which causes certain preachers to be extradited.

The president of the USA doesn't live in Britain.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
France may have issues but they sure know how to get the attention of the government when they are pissed.

apathetic americans have a lot to learn from our sister in democracy.

We damn well should have had riots for months after some of the sh1t the government gets away with.

Anytime you have an "Equal Opportunities Minister" in your governement you give a voice to irrational people.

The French governement should meet force with force. These people were given the right to live in a Democratic, free society. If they don't like or rebel against the government they should be relocated back to their home countries. Same thing applies to the Mullahs in Britian that spew violent rhetoric all day without fear of retribution.

Where did the freedom of speech go? How is the President of USA allowed to call other soveriegn nations "Axis of Evil" but mullahs cannot criticize?

There are limits to all kinds of freedom. Many countries prohibit hate speech which causes certain preachers to be extradited.

The president of the USA doesn't live in Britain.

Please reference the said argument in the constitution of Britain. As far as I know, the constitution guarantees freedom of speech.

Here's what I found: Religious hatred Bill thrown out by peers

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Please reference the said argument in the constitution of Britain. As far as I know, the constitution guarantees freedom of speech.

I think that they have an uncodified constitution, so I don't think that you can just pick up a single piece of paper like with the US constitution. I'm not sure if Britian expels preachers based upon hate speech, but many other European countries do. Many, many countries prohibit hate speech. So, perhaps Britain doesn't expel them, but punish them.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Sultan

Please reference the said argument in the constitution of Britain. As far as I know, the constitution guarantees freedom of speech.

I think that they have an uncodified constitution, so I don't think that you can just pick up a single piece of paper like with the US constitution. I'm not sure if Britian expels preachers based upon hate speech, but many other European countries do. Many, many countries prohibit hate speech. So, perhaps Britain doesn't expel them, but punish them.

Many European countries prohibit speech in favour of Nazism (for example Germany) and Fascism (Italy). Many prohibit speeches calling for racist violence. Apart from that you can say whatever you want, but other private citizens and companies can of course sue you if their dignity is violated or your claims are false. In England you have limits if you are a journalist covering a trial. Also it's illigal for journalists in many european countries to use the names and pictures on minors in their story, unless they have the parents authorization.

The British discussed expulsion for people found guilty of hate speech after the London Bombing. The debate is still kind of open on the subject, but the main lines of this new procedure was meant to prohibit speeches that:

? Foments, justifies or glorifies terrorist violence.
? Seeks to provoke others to terrorist acts.
? Foments other serious criminal actions or attempts to provoke others to commit serious crimes.
? Fosters hatred that threatens to lead to ethnic violence.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Sultan

Please reference the said argument in the constitution of Britain. As far as I know, the constitution guarantees freedom of speech.

I think that they have an uncodified constitution, so I don't think that you can just pick up a single piece of paper like with the US constitution. I'm not sure if Britian expels preachers based upon hate speech, but many other European countries do. Many, many countries prohibit hate speech. So, perhaps Britain doesn't expel them, but punish them.

Please provide SOME evidence at least for the bolded comment?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Sultan

Please reference the said argument in the constitution of Britain. As far as I know, the constitution guarantees freedom of speech.

I think that they have an uncodified constitution, so I don't think that you can just pick up a single piece of paper like with the US constitution. I'm not sure if Britian expels preachers based upon hate speech, but many other European countries do. Many, many countries prohibit hate speech. So, perhaps Britain doesn't expel them, but punish them.

Please provide SOME evidence at least for the bolded comment?

Just do a quick Google search:

link

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Sultan

Please reference the said argument in the constitution of Britain. As far as I know, the constitution guarantees freedom of speech.

I think that they have an uncodified constitution, so I don't think that you can just pick up a single piece of paper like with the US constitution. I'm not sure if Britian expels preachers based upon hate speech, but many other European countries do. Many, many countries prohibit hate speech. So, perhaps Britain doesn't expel them, but punish them.

Please provide SOME evidence at least for the bolded comment?

Just do a quick Google search:

link

Thank you. Good information

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: chcarnage


To the threadstarter, I'd like to say that I consider it really not necessary to leave Paris, because I don't believe that the riots are going to expand outside of the suburb.

For them, the riots have little to do with their desire to exit the country.. It has more to do with the increased crime rate and hostile attitude that many of the immigrants show towards most Parisians that have lived in the city for generations.

 

[Steeplerot]

What's happening in France right now is what will happen in country after country of the EU. It's a consequence of bad policies, hypocrisy, and a post-colonial history.

Since the 1950, many European countries have required cheap labor, thus have allowed lots of immigration toward their shores. Unfortunately, what Europe lacks is the system and experience in the matter that America had for the last 200 years. France and other European countries have let millions in for the cheap labor, and then neglected to integrate them in their societies. In many cases European corporations have favored the uncontrolled immigration as a way to bypass and get back at the very strong labor unions that have a huge say in labor European policies.

So, all of the sudden countries like France realize they have a huge percentage of their population completely alienated, not integrated, living gin sub-standard conditions, and creating disconnected societies within France. Yet the European economies require more and more cheap labor in order to maintain their lifestyle and welfare state. It's a very complex issue that will only get worst. Europe, as a whole, will have to tackle this situation, before it gets out of control. I doubt the EU could survive more than 50 or 60 years if this trend continues.

Today is France, Spain and UK will be next. Their societies are in the middle of a huge identity crisis that twill determine its present and its future.



Above is totally jacked from another poster, too busy to rewrite.... (badly translated)

 

[piasabird]

So why are these people angry enough to set buildings and cars on fire?

The article is leaving a lot of things out.

Is this a racism problem?
Is this a Class Warfare Problem?
Is this some kind of Gang Problem or what?

This is very poor journalism!