RIM death watch

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Well now, lets apply a little critical thinking here. I would estimate that the majority of your posts on this forum regarding mobile devices amounts to you taking some sort of a swipe at RIM. I just said in my post above that I generally get labeled a fanboy when I defend a product someone is attacking. Now...lets put two and two together and see if we can't figure out why you would see me "constantly defending RIM".

Also, lol @ you're usage of the word "claim" to passively insinuate that it hasn't happened. That's cute, sport.



Good for you. Isn't it wonderful that everyone is welcome to their own opinion on mobile devices? I bet there's someone out there that really likes the 9930 and hates iOS. Probably someone that hates both and would prefer WP7. Its amazing how that works.

As for me, I have a BB 9930, Dell Venue Pro, Samsung Focus, Samsung Vibrant, T-Mobile G2, T-Mobile G1, iPhone 2G, and HTC HD2 (running Android). Too bad I'm just a good-for-nothing BlackBerry fanboy, huh?

good catch as that's exactly what i was insinuating. i think it's safe to say that you have a strong reputation here for defending RIM, not android or windows.

my opinion is both subjective and objective.
objectively, the hardware has usually been inferior (objective), and when it manages to have decent hardware, it's crippled by its POS OS.

and of course subjectively, i prefer iphone/iOS over RIM/OSx... as do most people, as can be evidenced by them consistently losing market share.

i know it's tough being the lone bb defender now that dbz is no longer around.

 

[Deeko]

good catch as that's exactly what i was insinuating. i think it's safe to say that you have a strong reputation here for defending RIM, not android or windows.

I'm glad you're proving my point, then, since there are currently multiple threads going on in the mobile devices forum regarding Mango and/or Nokia and I've posted quite a bit there. Selective reading - if all you post about is how much you hate RIM, yea, you'll probably have that opinion, but you'd still be wrong.

my opinion is both subjective and objective.
objectively, the hardware has usually been inferior (objective), and when it manages to have decent hardware, it's crippled by its POS OS.

and of course subjectively, i prefer iphone/iOS over RIM/OSx... as do most people, as can be evidenced by them consistently losing market share.

Again - great - I'm glad you have that opinion.

i know it's tough being the lone bb defender now that dbz is no longer around.

*shrug* there's others around, you might ignore them because you can't fathom anyone saying anything nice about RIM, but that's just your selective reading acting up again. As I've said before, I have no personal stake with RIM, I've owned fewer BB devices than other devices, I just refuse to jump on the hater bandwagon. And in the context of this thread, I've never denied that they aren't headed in a great direction or that they don't need to make changes, my point has been and remains that all that aside, they still make a lot of money, and they still have a lot of money in the bank, so they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Unlike, say, Palm, they have the resources to turn things around. We'll see.

 

[Ichinisan]

stop being such a fanboy.
even now, the iphone 3gs is still better than any current bb phone.

This x10

 

[Imp]

Does that work better than a smartphone GPS w/ compass?

Reviews say "yes". Receiver works well (the thing is the size of a brick, so almost a no brainer) in covered areas with trees and tall buildings. On-device maps and routing so no data plan, lots of maps you can buy for it (expensive, but meh), and has an electronic compass. Waterproof for light dunkings, bit "more" drop-proof, and runs on AAs.

 

[Kadarin]

RIM helps Indian authorities access BlackBerry messages: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/10...indian-authorities-access-blackberry-messages

The best comment so far:

This is perfectly fine. Nobody in the Indian government would ever consider misusing this surveillance capability. As we all know, Indian government workers do not take bribes, the rich and powerful only have the same rights as anybody else, and the Indian government has a long history of the utmost integrity. There is no reason for anyone using BlackBerry who is concerned about their privacy to switch to another provider.

 

[Ichinisan]

RIM helps Indian authorities access BlackBerry messages: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/10...indian-authorities-access-blackberry-messages

The best comment so far:

Ha ha! Probably should have said "platform" instead of "provider," though.

 

[oogabooga]

rims major problem is horrible internet browsing performance. if they could fix that they would at least have a decent product. im surprised they havent done anything about it yet, it shouldnt be that hard

I didn't care about apps or whatever, but I couldn't justify really using a BB anymore over an andoird phone. The web browser on my friends phones were soo much better than my blackberry.

I miss my keyboard.

 

[Ns1]

srsly, HTF do you compete with this?

The new, premium BlackBerry Bold 9900 smartphone is distinguished by its iconic Bold design and delivers best-in-class productivity for people who want the industry’s leading full QWERTY keyboard while enjoying the convenience of a touch screen. The thinnest BlackBerry smartphone ever at just 10.5 mm, the BlackBerry Bold 9900 boasts 4G speeds, a brilliant 2.8-inch touch screen, 1.2 GHz processor, Liquid Graphics™ technology, which delivers a highly responsive touch interface with incredibly fast and smooth graphics, 768 MB RAM, 8GB of onboard memory (that you can expand to a total of 40 GB with a 32 GB media card), HD video recording and dual-band Wi-Fi®.

$200 on contract. WTF!?

 

[Lifted]

srsly, HTF do you compete with this?

$200 on contract. WTF!?

I hate to be the one to tell you, but you're never going to get it if you can't look past the geebee's.

Unrelated, as much as I liked my Android back in the day, I had to give somebody a hand configuring an email account on some Samsung Android phone today. What should have taken 15 seconds took several minutes as the onscreen keyboard is a complete POS. I never loved blackberries, and I'm sure they will disappear or be gobbled up at some point, but the keyboard on the new bold is a fucking dream compared anything on-screen.

 

[Ns1]

I hate to be the one to tell you, but you're never going to get it if you can't look past the geebee's.

Unrelated, as much as I liked my Android back in the day, I had to give somebody a hand configuring an email account on some Samsung Android phone today. What should have taken 15 seconds took several minutes as the onscreen keyboard is a complete POS. I never loved blackberries, and I'm sure they will disappear or be gobbled up at some point, but the keyboard on the new bold is a fucking dream compared anything on-screen.

not sure what the problem is here, I setup 5 email accounts on my iPhone in <5 minutes.

it's the combination of many things that I don't get: screen, storage space, processor, etc...all at the same price point as other top tier phones (SGS2, top end VZW phones, iPhone4s)

 

[Lifted]

not sure what the problem is here, I setup 5 email accounts on my iPhone in <5 minutes.

it's the combination of many things that I don't get: screen, storage space, processor, etc...all at the same price point as other top tier phones (SGS2, top end VZW phones, iPhone4s)

So go back and read the previous 350+ posts? If you don't have any idea about what a blackberry is capable of with regards to security and policies, management, and secure application deployment, then I suggest you do a bit of reading. It's honestly just too much to go over, but rest assured, the security on an iOS, Android, or Windows Phone is nothing close to that of a blackberry - almost to the point of no security at all without the use of 3rd party apps. (unless of course Alkemyst get's his hands on your BB, then it's as good as cracked ^_^ )

 

[Ns1]

So go back and read the previous 350+ posts? If you don't have any idea about what a blackberry is capable of with regards to security and policies, management, and secure application deployment, then I suggest you do a bit of reading. It's honestly just too much to go over, but rest assured, the security on an iOS, Android, or Windows Phone is nothing close to that of a blackberry - almost to the point of no security at all without the use of 3rd party apps. (unless of course Alkemyst get's his hands on your BB, then it's as good as cracked ^_^ )

so to answer my question of "HTF do you compete with this", the answer is "target corporate customers only"?

cuz who else gives a fuck about any of that?

(surely not my F50 company's IT department, since most of the execs have iOS/Android devices)

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Well now, lets apply a little critical thinking here. I would estimate that the majority of your posts on this forum regarding mobile devices amounts to you taking some sort of a swipe at RIM. I just said in my post above that I generally get labeled a fanboy when I defend a product someone is attacking. Now...lets put two and two together and see if we can't figure out why you would see me "constantly defending RIM".

Also, lol @ you're usage of the word "claim" to passively insinuate that it hasn't happened. That's cute, sport.



Good for you. Isn't it wonderful that everyone is welcome to their own opinion on mobile devices? I bet there's someone out there that really likes the 9930 and hates iOS. Probably someone that hates both and would prefer WP7. Its amazing how that works.

As for me, I have a BB 9930, Dell Venue Pro, Samsung Focus, Samsung Vibrant, T-Mobile G2, T-Mobile G1, iPhone 2G, and HTC HD2 (running Android). Too bad I'm just a good-for-nothing BlackBerry fanboy, huh?

listen, you made a sarcastic statement without knowing what phone he was comparing to the iphone.

it's pretty much agreed that for performance, features, apps, UI friendliness and refinement, e.g. things a consumer care about... even BB's from the last year (OS6) aren't comparable to an iphone 3g from 3 years ago.
even bb OS7 devices released last month are being slammed in reviews for being outdated compared to ios and android devices.

that's how you come off sounding like a fanboy.

 

[Lifted]

so to answer my question of "HTF do you compete with this", the answer is "target corporate customers only"?

cuz who else gives a fuck about any of that?

(surely not my F50 company's IT department, since most of the execs have iOS/Android devices)

Who is going to say no to the execs?

Some people require it (not consumers unless they are extremely paranoid) and once somebody else comes up with a comparable security model then RIM is in trouble.

The people I know who use blackberry for personal use, use it because they like the keyboard (or dislike touch screen keyboards) and/or want BBM. These people also don't care about 250,000 apps as they primarily use facebook, and possibly twitter, and that's the extent of their app/internet usage other than light web browsing.

99&#37; of people don't know or care how fast the CPU's are, or what having xGB of memory means, they only want something that they can use easily and fits their usage style.

RIM missed the mark by not releasing something quickly that was a consumer only model as they're stuck in the mentality that every BB has to be enterprise ready. Perhaps they should have started a new, non-blackberry line. With all of the resources they dump into maintaining this single model, they are simple bailing water faster and faster from their sinking ship, but it's still going to sink.

 

[Deeko]

listen, you made a sarcastic statement without knowing what phone he was comparing to the iphone.

it's pretty much agreed that for performance, features, apps, UI friendliness and refinement, e.g. things a consumer care about... even BB's from the last year (OS6) aren't comparable to an iphone 3g from 3 years ago.
even bb OS7 devices released last month are being slammed in reviews for being outdated compared to ios and android devices.

that's how you come off sounding like a fanboy.

Its funny - over in mobile devices, someone posted a thread about how they upgraded from an HTC Incredible to the iPhone 4s, with basically the same reaction - and lots of people over there said the exact same thing I did in this thread. Are you over there accusing the OP of being a fanboy? I didn't think so. Its a simple fact that a brand new high end phone will be superior to an old phone, regardless of the old phone's brand.

Now, I invite you to find where I said the BlackBerry is the best phone out there, or that it was a better consumer device than the iPhone, or anything of that nature. I'll be waiting for your apology when you can't find it.

My points that I've maintained through this entire thing is A) whether you or anyone else likes the phones, there's still a market for them, and B) even if their marketshare is dwindling, RIM is still selling a lot of phones, and has a lot of money, so they won't be going bankrupt any time soon. That's it.

 

[Pheran]

HTC soars, RIM stumbles in latest US smartphone shipments

...
While HTC continues its rise on the strength of premium Android phones (and a few Windows devices), RIM’s BlackBerry line is struggling in the US. Shipment volumes declined 58 percent from a year ago, and the US market share dropped from 24 percent in the third quarter of 2010 to 9 percent in third quarter of 2011, Canalys says. “RIM’s market share has fallen below 10 percent for the first time, and the current outlook for it in the US is certainly bleak,” Canalys Senior Analyst Tim Shepherd said in a press release. “While Apple can for now get away with not having a 4G smartphone, no other vendor in the US can. RIM must deliver a competitive high-end 4G smartphone in early 2012.” Market research firm Juniper reports that HTC doubled its worldwide shipments year-over-year to 13.2 million. That was good enough to pass RIM, which was down 8 percent year-over-year to 11.9 million shipments.

RIM’s US losses have been offset somewhat by strong growth worldwide, including 59 percent growth in the Europe, Middle East and Africa region and 56 percent growth in the Asia-Pacific region, “largely driven by the continued popularity of BBM, its BlackBerry Messenger service,” Canalys said. RIM’s reputation recently took a hit with an extended service outage, but RIM says its worldwide subscriber base has risen from 50 million to 70 million over the past year.
...

 

[Pliablemoose]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...as-blackberry-s-u-s-market-share-shrinks.html

 

[Doppel]

rims major problem is horrible internet browsing performance. if they could fix that they would at least have a decent product. im surprised they havent done anything about it yet, it shouldnt be that hard

That is definitely one of them. I have a 9650 and it's slow as all get out on 3G with a strong signal. The main impression it leaves me is that it's running on a 20 mhz CPU. It's so slow to load pages and until a page is completely downloaded you can absolutely forget scrolling because it will constantly freeze up the screen. Worse, if you are struggling with a really weak signal the entire device will seemingly designate 100% of the processing to sending/receiving data and thus the interface becomes even slower.

The only two good things about it are I like its keyboard and the "mouse pad" it has really is nice and responsive.

 

[Pliablemoose]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/nov/10/rim-loses-subscribers-us-comscore

RIM loses 1.3 million subscribers...

Stock price in the 17's yesterday

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Its funny - over in mobile devices, someone posted a thread about how they upgraded from an HTC Incredible to the iPhone 4s, with basically the same reaction - and lots of people over there said the exact same thing I did in this thread. Are you over there accusing the OP of being a fanboy? I didn't think so. Its a simple fact that a brand new high end phone will be superior to an old phone, regardless of the old phone's brand.

Now, I invite you to find where I said the BlackBerry is the best phone out there, or that it was a better consumer device than the iPhone, or anything of that nature. I'll be waiting for your apology when you can't find it.

My points that I've maintained through this entire thing is A) whether you or anyone else likes the phones, there's still a market for them, and B) even if their marketshare is dwindling, RIM is still selling a lot of phones, and has a lot of money, so they won't be going bankrupt any time soon. That's it.

it was your blind defense of RIM in that particular post and your reputation that paints you as a fanboy.
notice i'm not the only one that accused you. you have a known history of defending RIM, don't even deny that.

 

[Deeko]

it was your blind defense of RIM in that particular post and your reputation that paints you as a fanboy.
notice i'm not the only one that accused you. you have a known history of defending RIM, don't even deny that.

I have have a "known history" of doing exactly what I said in the last paragrah. Problem is, "anti fanboys" like yourself take it as an affront that someone would display anything but animosity towards them. Speaking of reputations - you have a reputation yourself, for curious nonsensical hatred of various people/things. Seeing as RIM is one of those things for you, it is not surprising that you would blow someone daring to say something good about them into a big deal like this.

Anyway, this discussion has run its course, and this thread is about RIM, not me. If you'd like to continue bantering about whether or not you think I am a RIM fanboy, feel free to PM me - I won't be responding to such posts in this thread anymore.

 

[Imp]

Subscriber loss is pretty predictable considering that the best they could do was release slightly updated versions of their existing line of phones. Oh, and piss off existing customers with multi-day down time.

 

[alkemyst]

Realized last week that I know of a high level marketting director that starting at RIM just as they started going downhill in earnest this time last year. Guy's a douchebag in real-life, lol.

Thanks for sharing?

Anyway with less customers would this mean RIM is even more SECURE?

lolz.

 

[Imp]

What was the price of the PB last month when it was globally "on sale"?

Looks like another major price cut coming. Probably in response to Kindle Fire?

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/wm-blackberry-playbook-198-starting-nov-18th-1104350/

 

[Pliablemoose]

What was the price of the PB last month when it was globally "on sale"?

Looks like another major price cut coming. Probably in response to Kindle Fire?

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/wm-blackberry-playbook-198-starting-nov-18th-1104350/

Holy crap, that's a big price drop