Right-wing propaganda and the Chilean earthquake: an example

[alphatarget1]

The inflation rate skyrocketed under his leadership, he initiated nationalization of industries and collectivization of farmland, and in general had the country on a path towards economic ruin. But what the hell, as long as he had the right idea on building codes all that other petty crap can be ignored. Maybe we should all hail Mussolini since he made the trains in Italy run on time.

As far as building codes go- they are usually improvement upon previous versions. I HIGHLY doubt any politicians had to go through rigorous debates and pass it in the legislature or something. The engineers probably have beat it to death by the time they approve it and politicians are probably just there to rubberstamp it.

But Craig doesn't know that. He tries to spin it a tragedy for political gain.

Craig is the reason why voting for far left liberals into any position of power is downright idiotic and dangerous.

 

[Linflas]

Repeated posters of idiocy have gotten too much attention to their trolling already, but since you make a new post, albeit with the same point that has been made:

What part of not assassinating a foreign leader for 'high inflation' or other left-wing policies do you not understand is immoral and murder?

What part of not overthrowing democracy to install a murderous dictator do you not understand is wrong?

Well excuse me, from your original post it seemed we were having a conversation here about Allende instituting building codes and somehow extending that positive policy to lionizing Allende and ignoring all the negative things the man did. The coup and the subsequent actions of the Pinochet regime is an entirely different discussion and nowhere in my response to you did I indicate my thoughts on that one way or the other.

What part of propagandizing for evil policies and lying to do so do you not understand is a problem?

I understand propaganda quite well, things like surrounding yourself with a group of people dressed in white lab coats while giving yet another speech in support of socializing medicine is a pretty good current events example of how propaganda works.

Mussolini *went to war* with us. What poart of his doing that while Salvador Allende did not do you not understand?

Before war, you can oppose Mussolini more strongly insofar as he pursues tyranny over democracy, but if his bad policies are democratically supported, he gets some leeway for them because of democracy.

What part of telling a little truth - posting some of the good things about Salvador Allende, not just parroting, do you not understand is needed for an honest discussion?

It's pretty ironic - though the weekly award s already given - for you to make up the lie that my post in any defends Mussolini for 'making the trains run on time' - the infamous defense for dictators over democracy, claims of efficiency - while YOU are the one here defending the defenders of the Mussolini-like tyrant, Pinochet. You're doing what you falsely accuse - defending tyranny. You are defending tyranny, murder, the overthrow of democracy, lies in propaganda, for a start. You don't understand that?

Funny that you somehow personalized this statement "Maybe we should all hail Mussolini since he made the trains in Italy run on time." Note the use of "We" and total absence of anything in the statement saying that you personally were defending Mussolini specifically along with the total absence in my entire post of any mention or justification for Pinochet and the coup. I invite you to read my original post in its entirety and point out where I indicated my thoughts on the coup and Pinochet.

 

[Genx87]

and then the first response after this post by Craig he does all three things:



Truly a beautiful thing we've seen here today.

It's reflexive for Craig, though. I don't know if he realizes he's doing it.

I remember a thread about 45 days ago where Craig called everybody who responded to his OP an idiot. I think he suffers from battered man syndrom myself. Wifey beats him down and the only outlet he has is dozens of bumper stickers and the internet.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Just like he claimed the Republicans screwed up the constitution by not allowing CA to be properly represented!

 

[Linflas]

Just like he claimed the Republicans screwed up the constitution by not allowing CA to be properly represented!

That is a pretty big stretch considering that California (1850) and the Republican Party (1854) came into being 60 some years after the US Constitution. Maybe those evil anti-science Republicans have a time machine?

 

[BoberFett]

LOL @ McCraigen1234

 

[Kirby]

Lmao

 

[shiner]

LOL @ McCraigen1234

Nice to see my name for him catching on.....

 

[IndyColtsFan]

LOL @ McCraigen1234

LOL. I'm beginning to think Dave might be the sane one of the pair.

 

[shiner]

LOL. I'm beginning to think Dave might be the sane one of the pair.

You never see them in the same place together. Much like Latoya and Michael Jackson.

Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Linflas]

You never see them in the same place together. Much like Latoya and Michael Jackson.

Coincidence? I think not.

Has there been a verified live sighting of Latoya since late June?

 

[EagleKeeper]

LOL @ McCraigen1234

LOL. I'm beginning to think Dave might be the sane one of the pair.

Dave may have some loose screws but at least he is fairly technically competent.

And he is willing to come into a debate without a precanned arsenal of disinfectant.

No real pun intended, but he is head and (left) shoulders above Craig

 

[Genx87]

That is a pretty big stretch considering that California (1850) and the Republican Party (1854) came into being 60 some years after the US Constitution. Maybe those evil anti-science Republicans have a time machine?

Dont let facts get in the way of Craigs ignorance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[OutHouse]

I really dont give a shit.

 

[CPA]

Once I read "Naomi Klein" I stopped reading.

Once I saw the commondreams.org link, I did the same.

 

[Craig234]

Just like he claimed the Republicans screwed up the constitution by not allowing CA to be properly represented!

THe 100% of misrepresenting what I said continues, with this example added of a lie about what I said. The Republicans didn't even exist when the Senate was designed.

 

[Craig234]

That is a pretty big stretch considering that California (1850) and the Republican Party (1854) came into being 60 some years after the US Constitution. Maybe those evil anti-science Republicans have a time machine?

What's not a big stretch is to see you unquestioningly accept and parrot a lie.

 

[Moonbeam]

Once I read "Naomi Klein" I stopped reading.

You may know something or you may be a moron. Your post doesn't give much indication.

 

[Moonbeam]

Allende was a communist, for starters. He was the Chavez before Chavez (hopefully Chavez meets the same end soon). The 300% inflation and destruction of private property rights in Chile opened the door for Pinochet. Either way, who the heck even cares about who was or was not responsible for certain building codes in frickin' Chile 20+ years ago??

LOL @ Naomi Klein & commondreams.org. When you see either one of those mentioned, you know it's going to be utter failure.

You are either a moron or you know something. You offer nothing by which to determine.

 

[Moonbeam]

Naomi Klein has no credibility, like Amnesty International or the United Nations.

Why waste time debating her philosophy when it's clear she suffers from a mental illness?

This may be clear to morons or to folk who know something. Nothing indicates any valid knowledge.

 

[Craig234]

Well excuse me, from your original post it seemed we were having a conversation here about Allende instituting building codes and somehow extending that positive policy to lionizing Allende and ignoring all the negative things the man did. The coup and the subsequent actions of the Pinochet regime is an entirely different discussion and nowhere in my response to you did I indicate my thoughts on that one way or the other.

Then your reading comprehension needs improvement. The thread is about - in spite of the garbage posts to it - the propaganda of the article giving Pinochet credit for the building codes that were actually put into place by his predecessor, and the prpaganda motive for the lie. It's not about the broader topic of Allende, though a comment about that might get made responding to people who make the broad attacks.

I understand propaganda quite well, things like surrounding yourself with a group of people dressed in white lab coats while giving yet another speech in support of socializing medicine is a pretty good current events example of how propaganda works.

Then you woudn't be the type to read a lie by Common Courtesy, and fall for it and parrot it.

Oh, wait.

Funny that you somehow personalized this statement "Maybe we should all hail Mussolini since he made the trains in Italy run on time." Note the use of "We" and total absence of anything in the statement saying that you personally were defending Mussolini specifically along with the total absence in my entire post of any mention or justification for Pinochet and the coup. I invite you to read my original post in its entirety and point out where I indicated my thoughts on the coup and Pinochet.

You're disengenuous, too.

Your use of 'we' there is a common form in the making of a straw man.

"Oh, you are against declaring war on Canada? The I guess we should all sit here and get conquered by them".

When you say 'maybe we should all hail mussolini', that IS an accusation of defending him, despite your saying it's not.

The one who needs to reread the original post is you.

You have defended the bad things I said - not responded to the issues in the OP.

Are you for defending democracy? Against the US role in the Chilean Coup? Against the propagandists for the pro-wealth ideology lying to push their ideology? I haven't seen you say any of those things.

 

[BoberFett]

Stop lying.

 

[Moonbeam]

So Craig posts an anti-right wing thread and the first two people who respond are both accused, in Craig's first response to each, of "lies". And presumably he wonders why his reception here is often cool.

He is either a moron or knows something. He did say what he thinks he knows. If the folk he refered to are morons who believe lies instead of people who know Craig is wrong his discription will be accurate.

Can you tell me where it says that truth should be welcome to liars and where truth tellers get a big welcome?

Are you pointing this out or are you too asking for truth sugar candy?

 

[Moonbeam]

Right.

Don't listen to Naomi Klein - "allergic to truth."

Provide an opinion of Naomi Klein - "Go away, troll."

Looks like someone is intolerant of criticism, no?

Why is the left so quick to exercise the 1st amendment but cry when someone has the time to reply?

no wonder the left is so infatuated with boycotts, strikes, protests, flag burning.

intellectual conservation goes right out the window when the facts appear.

What facts. What you say are facts look for all the world to me like opinions. Let me show you what your post look like to me by replying at your level:

"Don't listen to Naomi Klein - "allergic to truth.""

M: He nailed you.

"Provide an opinion of Naomi Klein - "Go away, troll.""

M: He nailed you again.

"Looks like someone is intolerant of criticism, no?"

M: You ugly intolerant of criticism fuck, you have this backward.

"Why is the left so quick to exercise the 1st amendment but cry when someone has the time to reply?"

M: Stop crying about the left you moron.

"no wonder the left is so infatuated with boycotts, strikes, protests, flag burning."

M: Good Nazis fall right in line and gas themselves.

"intellectual conservation goes right out the window when the facts appear"

M: Yup, I just showed you intellectually that you are a dunce.

 

[Moonbeam]

The inflation rate skyrocketed under his leadership, he initiated nationalization of industries and collectivization of farmland, and in general had the country on a path towards economic ruin. But what the hell, as long as he had the right idea on building codes all that other petty crap can be ignored. Maybe we should all hail Mussolini since he made the trains in Italy run on time.

A good point assuming you know something, like the path would have lead to economic ruin. All I see here is that's your opinion.