Right-wing propaganda and the Chilean earthquake: an example

[Craig234]

As Naomi Klein wrote in "The Shock Doctrine", the right-wing's top economic ideologue Milton Friedman had a big impact on Chile - his Chicago ideology took over Chiile's economists, and was the basis for Pinochet whe the US removed the elected President, Salvadr Allende, and Pinochet was made the dictator, protecting US interests and doing what Friedman said with rare exception.

Right-wing propagandists are anxious to protect Friedman, and hte earthquake was a shameless chance for them to do so.

The fact is, Savador Allende, a year before the coup, put in place tougher new building codes that had great benefit in the recent earthquake. The facts is, very few people know this.

Enter a right-wing propagandists, who, paid to spread this ideology that benefits the rich, put out a column 'explaining' that the people of Chile could thank Pinochet for the building codes.

Who is going to say he's wrong? It's propaganda - the type that make people say, 'those liberals mean well, but Pinochet got the good things needed done'. Mission accomplished for the propagandist.

It may seem small, but that's how proaganda works. THere's not much budget for the truth. no big financial interest making money off telling the truth to defend Allende.

Thank goodness Klein was there to point out what happened. Again.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/03-11

I suggest donating a few bucks to Common Dreams for publishing the truth for the people. People paying for the truth is the way to get it, not relying on the corporate media.

 

[Noobtastic]

Once I read "Naomi Klein" I stopped reading.

 

[Craig234]

Once I read "Naomi Klein" I stopped reading.

Yes, you are allergic to the truth. The absence of any argument from you speaks for itself. THat's how ideologues behave. You are frantically attacking something that exposes the lies of your ideology.

 

[Noobtastic]

Yes, you are allergic to the truth. The absence of any argument from you speaks for itself. THat's how ideologues behave. You are frantically attacking something that exposes the lies of your ideology.

Frantically attacking?

Seriously Craig?

 

[Double Trouble]

Allende was a communist, for starters. He was the Chavez before Chavez (hopefully Chavez meets the same end soon). The 300% inflation and destruction of private property rights in Chile opened the door for Pinochet. Either way, who the heck even cares about who was or was not responsible for certain building codes in frickin' Chile 20+ years ago??

LOL @ Naomi Klein & commondreams.org. When you see either one of those mentioned, you know it's going to be utter failure.

 

[Craig234]

Frantically attacking?

Seriously Craig?

Yes. Frantically has different meanings. I don't mean you are sweating and calling her a space alien community, but I do mean that you appear to have almost no ability to tolerate ideological dissent.

That leaves you not ignoring the thread, not being rational and looking at the facts, but instead posting such an allergic reaction to her truth.

It correlates well with the receint science how such ideologues reach to the names of their allies and opponents with irrational, emotional feelings and the brain doesn't do rational reaction to it.

 

[Noobtastic]

Yes. Frantically has different meanings. I don't mean you are sweating and calling her a space alien community, but I do mean that you appear to have almost no ability to tolerate ideological dissent.

That leaves you not ignoring the thread, not being rational and looking at the facts, but instead posting such an allergic reaction to her truth.

It correlates well with the receint science how such ideologues reach to the names of their allies and opponents with irrational, emotional feelings and the brain doesn't do rational reaction to it.

Naomi Klein has no credibility, like Amnesty International or the United Nations.

Why waste time debating her philosophy when it's clear she suffers from a mental illness?

 

[Craig234]

Allende was a communist, for starters. He was the Chavez before Chavez (hopefully Chavez meets the same end soon). The 300% inflation and destruction of private property rights in Chile opened the door for Pinochet. Either way, who the heck even cares about who was or was not responsible for certain building codes in frickin' Chile 20+ years ago??

The propagandist who wrote an article trying to sell Pinochet to the public this week on the issue, and the media who published it, and the readers who consumed it.

You don't hear very well as I explained the relevance - as I said, the point is for such proagandists to sell the ideology that protects the interest of the rich by not letting the truth about someone like Friedman be heard.

It's a sort of premptive strike - not unlike some propagandist saying 'thank goodness we can attack Al Gore with the lie he claimed he invented the internet before the issue helps him enormously as he deserves.

The guy who stood out in national leadership to push the funding of the internet - complete with the founders like Vince Cerf saying he was key to it - against our frat boy, son of a president Bush.

You misrepresent Allende and Chile. He was a leftist who was elected for a reason, good for the country, and very popular. Regardless, you say not one word against the US killing an elected leader for the benefit of US corporations when Nixon's former employer, Pepsi, called him and asked him to overthrow democracy in Chile to protect their and other corporations' sweet deals (just as we had in Iran, for cheap oil, for which we and the Iranian people pay to this day, among many examples).

You are a very immoral person for condoning such harms - murder, anti-democracy, tyranny, for greed.

Even if you were right in your attacks that his economics were 'communist', it wouldn't justify the policy overthrowing him and installing tyranny.

What if we elected a leftist president in this country (we haven't, despite the lies people like you parrot)? Can some country kill him for it and install a dictator? What if Eugene Debs had won (instead of being put in jail for saying he was against our entering WW!)? Some like you are fine with it, they thought killing FDR was justified (but just as the first attempt on Salvadore Allende failed when they tried to recruit a patriot, the head of the army, until they killed HIM, they failed when they tried to recruit US patriot General Smedley Butler, who exposed their assassination schemes). For people like you, hey, kill the leftists.

You are not an honest poster, so you are not welcome, posting lies. You should go read the book - or one of the many others on the topic - but you won't, will you? Because you aren't interested in the truth.

 

[Craig234]

Naomi Klein has no credibility, like Amnesty International or the United Nations.

Why waste time debating her philosophy when it's clear she suffers from a mental illness?

Irony of the week award. Go away, troll (I understand you are not an intentional troll, just idiotic.)

 

[StageLeft]

So Craig posts an anti-right wing thread and the first two people who respond are both accused, in Craig's first response to each, of "lies". And presumably he wonders why his reception here is often cool.

 

[Noobtastic]

Irony of the week award. Go away, troll (I understand you are not an intentional troll, just idiotic.)

Right.

Don't listen to Naomi Klein - "allergic to truth."

Provide an opinion of Naomi Klein - "Go away, troll."

Looks like someone is intolerant of criticism, no?

Why is the left so quick to exercise the 1st amendment but cry when someone has the time to reply?

no wonder the left is so infatuated with boycotts, strikes, protests, flag burning.

intellectual conservation goes right out the window when the facts appear.

 

[Linflas]

The inflation rate skyrocketed under his leadership, he initiated nationalization of industries and collectivization of farmland, and in general had the country on a path towards economic ruin. But what the hell, as long as he had the right idea on building codes all that other petty crap can be ignored. Maybe we should all hail Mussolini since he made the trains in Italy run on time.

 

[Double Trouble]

snip of usual Craig drivel

You really have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that nobody takes your posts seriously. You appear to be delusional, occasionally to the point of unwittingly providing comedic relief for the rest of us.

You post some left wing drivel about something that nobody really cares about, then whine and pout when someone dares express an opinion other than the one you subscribe to. Good luck with that. Keep up the comic relief though

 

[rudder]

So Craig posts an anti-right wing thread and the first two people who respond are both accused, in Craig's first response to each, of "lies". And presumably he wonders why his reception here is often cool.

That is a lie!

 

[heyheybooboo]

I don't care about the left-right thing but it sucks for the people of Chile that lax enforcement and reduced building standards substantially increased the extent of devastation.





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[IndyColtsFan]

Yes, you are allergic to the truth.

As are you.

THat's how ideologues behave. You are frantically attacking something that exposes the lies of your ideology.

Sounds like you again. No one takes you seriously Craig, and it isn't hard to understand why. Anyone who disagrees with you is called a "liar," an "idiot," or a "troll." A civil discussion with you is impossible because of this and your own blind devotion to all things left leaning.

 

[Tristicus]

Sounds like you again. No one takes you seriously Craig, and it isn't hard to understand why. Anyone who disagrees with you is called a "liar," an "idiot," or a "troll." A civil discussion with you is impossible because of this and your own blind devotion to all things left leaning.

Do unto others as you would do to yourself. :awe:

 

[Craig234]

The inflation rate skyrocketed under his leadership, he initiated nationalization of industries and collectivization of farmland, and in general had the country on a path towards economic ruin. But what the hell, as long as he had the right idea on building codes all that other petty crap can be ignored. Maybe we should all hail Mussolini since he made the trains in Italy run on time.

Repeated posters of idiocy have gotten too much attention to their trolling already, but since you make a new post, albeit with the same point that has been made:

What part of not assassinating a foreign leader for 'high inflation' or other left-wing policies do you not understand is immoral and murder?

What part of not overthrowing democracy to install a murderous dictator do you not understand is wrong?

What part of propagandizing for evil policies and lying to do so do you not understand is a problem?

Mussolini *went to war* with us. What poart of his doing that while Salvador Allende did not do you not understand?

Before war, you can oppose Mussolini more strongly insofar as he pursues tyranny over democracy, but if his bad policies are democratically supported, he gets some leeway for them because of democracy.

What part of telling a little truth - posting some of the good things about Salvador Allende, not just parroting, do you not understand is needed for an honest discussion?

It's pretty ironic - though the weekly award s already given - for you to make up the lie that my post in any defends Mussolini for 'making the trains run on time' - the infamous defense for dictators over democracy, claims of efficiency - while YOU are the one here defending the defenders of the Mussolini-like tyrant, Pinochet. You're doing what you falsely accuse - defending tyranny. You are defending tyranny, murder, the overthrow of democracy, lies in propaganda, for a start. You don't understand that?

 

[shiner]

That is a lie!

I'm actually impressed that he made it to 5 posts before calling someone an idiot.

 

[Tristicus]

Repeated posters of idiocy have gotten too much attention to their trolling already

Yes you have...

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Yes you have...

I think he has me blocked, which I consider a compliment coming from a buffoon like him. Though I do miss the hate tells.

 

[StageLeft]

...Anyone who disagrees with you is called a "liar," an "idiot," or a "troll."...

and then the first response after this post by Craig he does all three things:

Repeated posters of idiocy have gotten too much attention to their trolling already...you to make up the lie

Truly a beautiful thing we've seen here today.

It's reflexive for Craig, though. I don't know if he realizes he's doing it.

 

[piasabird]

So you would rather they did not have good building codes, and you wish the whole country was in ruins? What exactly is going on?

Are you a promoter of Squalor and communism or what?

 

[Craig234]

So you would rather they did not have good building codes, and you wish the whole country was in ruins? What exactly is going on?

Are you a promoter of Squalor and communism or what?

Who are you talking to?

 

[Sinsear]

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/03-11

I suggest donating a few bucks to Common Dreams for publishing the truth for the people. People paying for the truth is the way to get it, not relying on the corporate media.

The truth my ass. That site is one of the biggest jokes of partisan bullshit there is. But then again hey look it's Craig (left right, right wrong). And the fact that you keep parroting the talking points and articles off that site makes you a bigger douche than you already are.