to be honest I don't really lift weights. I do BJJ/Muay Thai almost every day and eat my ass off however. The reason I say I'm pretty strong is because I can roll with guys a lot larger then me pretty easily (20 to sometimes 100 lbs heavier). Guys comment pretty often on my strength even though I am pretty small (160lbs) as well. that's all!
I could care less about how much someone squats,deadlifts, etc. Tons of bodybuilder, tough guys come in my gym and their strength/power from lifting somehow doesn't translate to fighting at all. I'm good at bjj, and a strong puncher/kicker in muay thai have excellent conditioning.
that's all that matters to me.
that's all that matters to me.
I noticed you also practice bjj. could you tell me what your schedule looks like? I have been considering introducing weight lifting into my routine but don't want to cut down on my training (bjj).
Red Dawn
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Well you should be in good shape and fairly muscular. I'd think that the martial arts would be a tougher workout than weight lifting and even if you aren't big your muscles would be developed from all the stress you put on them from the workouts you do.
SociallyChallenged
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I took the quarter off from BJJ, but my schedule usually looked like MWFSat - lift, MW - grapple. It was an awkward schedule and left me pretty tired, but that's the only way I could do things due to my classes. Also, you are now just flapping your gums about lifting not translating. Bodybuilders are less functional than those that do strength training, right. However, you're associating their noobishness to BJJ as their strength not translating. When I joined BJJ, I chilled out for a little bit to learn and watch. When I turned the switch on, I had a blue belt on the defensive. Strength training is quite necessary for being a good grappler.
Not really all that true. It's hard to compare two different kinds of workout in levels of difficulty, especially if you haven't participated in both. I've grappled with guys that are hardcore into Muay Thai, kickboxing, and BJJ and really aren't that strong. They are very skilled and would be intimidating to strike with (for me), but once I get them to the ground, my weightlifting really pays off.
I have completely swept 250 pound guys. I've held my guard closed so long that I've nearly been slammed out of frustration from some of the more experienced members. Weightlifting brings a lot of pro's onto the mat. For me, they're good general flexibility, increased strength for movements, better body control, increased discomfort for opponent while in my guard, explosiveness, takedown ability, etc.
Deeko
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Maybe they think its fun, you numbskull. Hasn't that ever occurred to you? That to some people, doing Jiu Jitsu is healthy and fun, and to others, bodybuilding is fun? Maybe I think you're wasting your time learning to fight, because if I shoot you in the face all your fighting skills are worthless? See how dumb that sounds?
You come in here spitting all this BS, attacking someone for noticing their body wasn't developing symmetrical. Maybe he was just curious? Maybe he's interested in looking good? You know that symmetry is one of the defining characteristics of attractiveness, right? In the end - who are you to be whining about it?
"When I turned the switch on, I had a blue belt on the defensive. Strength training is quite necessary for being a good grappler."
no offense, but you are not really speaking from experience here if your statement is based on the fact that you had a blue belt on the run. a blue belt is a beginner with basic technique. strength plays a much bigger role at the beginning levels of bjj than it does higher up the ladder.
from my experience, and i have been training bjj on and off for about 8 years, strength training outside of bjj class is not necessary until you get to the elite levels of competition(for example, mundials, abu dhabi, etc.) where technique has reached the end of the bell curve, and even then it must be secondary to skills training. just look at marcelo garcia...hands down the best grappler in the world and he doesnt strength train. i have taken classes with him and he does a LOT of conditioning/calisthenics/partner drills/etc, but he isnt lifting weights. the guy is just on the mats training like a beast nonstop. that is why he is so good. of course some guys need to lift because their specific styles are based on different attributes, but even then it must come second to specific bjj training.
the more time you spend on the mats, the faster you will progress. if your focus is to improve in bjj, the biggest mistake you could make would be to sacrifice bjj class time for training on your own. i began training in college with a friend at the same time...i got hooked and would be on the mats 6 days a week, sometimes twice a day. he came in 2-3x/week, and worked out on his own during the rest of the week. he was strong...i distinctly remember him coming home happy one day because he had clean and strict pressed 195. anyways, he was hell for all the other white belts and tough on some newer blues, but i progressed MUCH faster than him...i was promoted to purple a few weeks before he even made it to blue.
no offense, but you are not really speaking from experience here if your statement is based on the fact that you had a blue belt on the run. a blue belt is a beginner with basic technique. strength plays a much bigger role at the beginning levels of bjj than it does higher up the ladder.
from my experience, and i have been training bjj on and off for about 8 years, strength training outside of bjj class is not necessary until you get to the elite levels of competition(for example, mundials, abu dhabi, etc.) where technique has reached the end of the bell curve, and even then it must be secondary to skills training. just look at marcelo garcia...hands down the best grappler in the world and he doesnt strength train. i have taken classes with him and he does a LOT of conditioning/calisthenics/partner drills/etc, but he isnt lifting weights. the guy is just on the mats training like a beast nonstop. that is why he is so good. of course some guys need to lift because their specific styles are based on different attributes, but even then it must come second to specific bjj training.
the more time you spend on the mats, the faster you will progress. if your focus is to improve in bjj, the biggest mistake you could make would be to sacrifice bjj class time for training on your own. i began training in college with a friend at the same time...i got hooked and would be on the mats 6 days a week, sometimes twice a day. he came in 2-3x/week, and worked out on his own during the rest of the week. he was strong...i distinctly remember him coming home happy one day because he had clean and strict pressed 195. anyways, he was hell for all the other white belts and tough on some newer blues, but i progressed MUCH faster than him...i was promoted to purple a few weeks before he even made it to blue.
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