Right to Repair

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fleshconsumed

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It's obvious that not just Apple is in on the Oh your non-replaceable battery died? Sorry, time for a new whatchamacallit. Of course they argue that it's to make the products lighter and streamlined. I think it sucks.
Technically Apple will replace your battery for you now, the price is $30-$70 depending on the model. And you can't really blame them for miniaturizing everything making repairs difficult since this is what consumers want.

However, I do blame them for intentionally making products difficult to repair, such as making touch id button irreplaceable without replacing entire screen, which is much more expensive compared than just replacing home button, or using industrial strength adhesive to glue battery to the case - there is no reason for it, or worse, using same industrial grade adhesive to glue screen to the case so you need a heat gun and 30 minutes just to pry your phone open while praying that the glass won't crack. That's some first grade BS right there.
 

lxskllr

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It goes waaaaay beyond stupid apple trinkets...

https://www.wired.com/story/john-deere-farmers-right-to-repair/

See what it's like when your $250k machine goes up, and you have work to do.

Freedom means having control over your own life. If you use a program to carry out activities in your life, your freedom depends on your having control over the program. You deserve to have control over the programs you use, and all the more so when you use them for something important in your life.

Users' control over the program requires four essential freedoms.

(0) The freedom to run the program as you wish, for whatever purpose.

(1) The freedom to study the program's “source code”, and change it, so the program does your computing as you wish. Programs are written by programmers in a programming language—like English combined with algebra—and that form of the program is the “source code”. Anyone who knows programming, and has the program in source code form, can read the source code, understand its functioning, and change it too. When all you get is the executable form, a series of numbers that are efficient for the computer to run but extremely hard for a human being to understand, understanding and changing the program in that form are forbiddingly hard.

(2) The freedom to make and distribute exact copies when you wish. (It is not an obligation; doing this is your choice. If the program is free, that doesn't mean someone has an obligation to offer you a copy, or that you have an obligation to offer him a copy. Distributing a program to users without freedom mistreats them; however, choosing not to distribute the program—using it privately—does not mistreat anyone.)

(3) The freedom to make and distribute copies of your modified versions, when you wish.

The first two freedoms mean each user can exercise individual control over the program. With the other two freedoms, any group of users can together exercise collective control over the program. With all four freedoms, the users fully control the program. If any of them is missing or inadequate, the program is proprietary (nonfree), and unjust.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html
 

hal2kilo

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This is a very big problem. As someone who used to work at an electronics repair depot even in big systems the soldering skill needed to reach some hard parts is really high. I know I could never do it and I have thousands of hours of repair and soldering experience.

I agree with requirements to make parts available though.
Curious. We're you 3M (I think it stands for micro/ miniature/ manufacture) trained? At the Intermediate Maintenance Facility/ SWS Maintenance I worked at, they had a shop down the hall that did that work under microscopes.
 
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Ken g6

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I hear people are looking to sue John Deere for GPL violations. Though I'm not sure if they can if the Linux itself isn't altered.
 

Moonbeam

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Our system is based on self interest. It was supposed to be enlightened self interest, the idea that the good of the many comes down to the good of the one, but instead capitalism has bred nothing but selfishness and greed and corporations that live forever but are legally individuals. If only Apple can repair Apple products that makes Apple profit they would not otherwise have but disadvantages others. If your aim is to win as measured by profit, you can't really care about the common good. We fucked ourselves. We have been trained to despise regulation.
 
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fskimospy

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Curious. We're you 3M (I think it stands for micro/ miniature/ manufacture) trained? At the Intermediate Maintenance Facility/ SWS Maintenance I worked at, they had a shop down the hall that did that work under microscopes.
I was, although to be honest I’ve never been the world’s greatest solderer. For the hard stuff we had dedicated solder staff. (For whatever reason it was like a half dozen old Asian ladies, haha)
 
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Amol S.

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Apple wanted $1200 to fix laptop display , takje it to a shop and it's just a bent pin and fixes it for free in 2 seconds. Looks like there's a few states that are starting to put right to repair in the law books and will be forcing companies like Apple to sell spare parts/repair manuals. Sleazy apple at it again.

Apple will do everything they can to make their device designs as proprietary and secret as possible.
 
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MrSquished

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Yeah I've read some horror stories about John Deere in the last few years, making anything you got to do to work on their equipment have to happen at their service center because they're just blocking any other way via software.

Farmers hate them, but you know regulating John Deere is cool to rural conservatives that use their stuff, but isn't regulation socialist? I mean these people can't make up their mind, it's only when it's good for them
 
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hal2kilo

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I was, although to be honest I’ve never been the world’s greatest solderer. For the hard stuff we had dedicated solder staff. (For whatever reason it was like a half dozen old Asian ladies, haha)
I thought I was the greatest solderer in the world until I had to certify for military QA Workmanship skills.