Right Or Wrong? (Sexual Ethics)

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Another issue this thread highlights is the problem of people's reaction to an open exposure of personal conflict. There are those who feel such thinks shouldn't be talked about openly and those who feel it's fine.

A case for the first: Many people are assholes. The moment you open your inner life to a peak from the outside the voyeurs and snipers target you fast. Ah an opportunity to hit somebody where their weak, to put them down, to feel superior, or to wallow in this or that seamy tripe. This assumes a naiveté of the part of the teller that they haven't the inner resources and strengths to deal with such fools.

More importantly there is the notion of compact, that what happens between individuals should stay in the closet. How much abuse in the world depends on that pact. The idea is to protect the partner from exposure of their sin to others who will then ridicule them. This assumes the other person to be too weak to fend for themselves. It is really a protection of ones own feelings in the name of the partner despite the factual evidence such 'betrayal' does produce. Yes the partner will get the same sliming by fools that anybody else would. Does it really matter.

Who are we and what kind of protection do we need. If people are inherently evil, which I don't believe, there would perhaps be good reason to hide. We would have to protect our partners from justifiable prosecution, I guess. But if people are good, just screwed up, what is there to protect. What we do is protect ourselves from the lies there's something wrong with us. We are all terrified to learn the truth of how we feel about ourselves even though there's nothing really wrong. That's because we were taught to hate ourselves for nothing that was really wrong. We hate who we were and no longer allow ourselves to be. Truth about ourselves is a way back to the light. Hiding in a lie only perpetuates the lie there's something wrong. What is wrong is that we feel there's something wrong and can't allow ourselves to feel it because we think it's true. It isn't true and the support of pretext is just our attempt to avoid feeling how truly we feel there?s something wrong with us.

Humanity is sick, living upside down. We don't want to feel what it is we feel. Only by exposure to the inner secrets of others, the actual seeing that others feel the same as we can we begin to acquire the enormous courage it takes to go within. When you see one person and then another and another survive and blossom by diving into sh!t slowly but slowly we begin to mature and grow. To take a chance, to feel how bad we feel and live gives us strength to dive again and again. Blessed are those who open their hearts for they for they light our way.


No evil can befall a good person in this life or the next. A Sufi Saying

MB- I hope you don't mind me asking, what is it you do as a profession?

I'm just curious



:beer:

 

[Underground727]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Underground727
What the f*ck is wrong with you? Once or twice a week? I can't imagine trying to put a limit on that.

If I get married and a girl tries to pull that sh*t on me, well, that's why she signed a pre-nump. If you are married it should be like 3 or 4 times a day.

WTF is wrong with YOU? So I guess if you get married and don't get sex 3 or 4 times a day, what are you going to do? Get divorced? Rape your wife? Cheat on her with someone who puts out 3-4 times a day?

Why would you marry someone that wouldn't let you hit it 3-4 times a day?

And I'll get it out of the way now: I am the devil and the center of all evil in the world. Yes, sex and the way a person looks matter to me. Just because your girl is ugly and you don't enjoy having sex with her, doesn't mean that I don't enjoy sex with my physically attractive girl.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Underground727
What the f*ck is wrong with you? Once or twice a week? I can't imagine trying to put a limit on that.

If I get married and a girl tries to pull that sh*t on me, well, that's why she signed a pre-nump. If you are married it should be like 3 or 4 times a day.

WTF is wrong with YOU? So I guess if you get married and don't get sex 3 or 4 times a day, what are you going to do? Get divorced? Rape your wife? Cheat on her with someone who puts out 3-4 times a day?

What is wrong with YOU? Why are you wasting time arguing with Underground727? Haven't you read any of his posts before? Don't you know he's an idiot?

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Underground727

Why would you marry someone that wouldn't let you hit it 3-4 times a day?

And I'll get it out of the way now: I am the devil and the center of all evil in the world. Yes, sex and the way a person looks matter to me. Just because your girl is ugly and you don't enjoy having sex with her, doesn't mean that I don't enjoy sex with my physically attractive girl.

I'm curious, Lucifer. What will you do if the woman you marry wanted it 3-4 times a day, but starts wanting it less and less until it's only a few times a week? Nothing stays exactly the same forever.

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: Underground727

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Underground727
What the f*ck is wrong with you? Once or twice a week? I can't imagine trying to put a limit on that.

If I get married and a girl tries to pull that sh*t on me, well, that's why she signed a pre-nump. If you are married it should be like 3 or 4 times a day.

WTF is wrong with YOU? So I guess if you get married and don't get sex 3 or 4 times a day, what are you going to do? Get divorced? Rape your wife? Cheat on her with someone who puts out 3-4 times a day?

Why would you marry someone that wouldn't let you hit it 3-4 times a day?

And I'll get it out of the way now: I am the devil and the center of all evil in the world. Yes, sex and the way a person looks matter to me. Just because your girl is ugly and you don't enjoy having sex with her, doesn't mean that I don't enjoy sex with my physically attractive girl.

OK, I'll divorce my beautiful loving wife and marry a nympho just so I can get laid more often than I already do. Get a life. Marriage is about more than getting laid 3-4 times a day, Captain Shallow.

 

[element]

No time right now to read the whole thread. I read some replies that look interesting.

IMHO to answer the original question: To pork or not to pork the sleeping wife, what phallus through yonder taco shell breaks....ah but I messed up quoting Shakespeare....speaking of shaking spears....back to the topic at hand.

I think it depends on what the wife wants. I mean even if they didn't agree on sex that night. They did agree to have sex at some point so it's not exactly rape in that sense. However if it bothers her that he went at it while she was unconscious, then it is wrong. Whereas if she is ok with it, then it is fine.

So IMHO it is all about the wife's perception of it and how she feels about it. Which i might add is not really under her control. What I mean is she should not force herself to feel ok about it or angry about it but rather come to terms with how she felt at the time and let the husband know either directly or through a 3rd party in counseling. So if she was angry let the husband know it made her angry or disturbed or whatever.

I don't see what relevance anyone elses opinion on how they would feel about something happening to you matters. Everyone is different and I can't say what you should feel. All i have to say is let yourself feel what you did, and that it is ok to feel that way, and that your partner should know and respect this feeling.

 

[dtmbb92]

Exactly my thoughts!

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: element®
No time right now to read the whole thread. I read some replies that look interesting.

IMHO to answer the original question: To pork or not to pork the sleeping wife, what phallus through yonder taco shell breaks....ah but I messed up quoting Shakespeare....speaking of shaking spears....back to the topic at hand.

I think it depends on what the wife wants. I mean even if they didn't agree on sex that night. They did agree to have sex at some point so it's not exactly rape in that sense. However if it bothers her that he went at it while she was unconscious, then it is wrong. Whereas if she is ok with it, then it is fine.

Rape is effing rape. They agreed on a day (2 days a week infact) she did not however give her husband consent to phuck he in her sleep.

If its not consenting, its rape. Boyfriend, lover, husband the bloody Pope. NO means NO!

I can't believe the retards in this place!! I almost want to start a pole asking "have you ever raped someone?"

 

[0roo0roo]

if you kiss your wife without her written consent, its sexual harrasment

 

[element]

Originally posted by: AgentBehemoth

Originally posted by: codeyf

On a side note, my wife likes to be woken/waken? up with some, uh, action. Says it's nice cuz at that time, her mind is completely clear and she's not trying to switch gears from what was already on her mind to gettin it on. When it starts happenin in the middle of the night, she's able to focus on the task at hand! Which means more :Q for the both of us!

So, in my case, I'm gonna answer yes.

My wife too has always liked being woken up with the act of being pleasured. When the pleasuring of your mate becomes a chore then you should quit the process altogether. And there is a difference between "I'll let you have it twice a week mkay and we can only work it into our busy schedules twice a week".

I stand by my argument that it is up to the wife herself if it is ok or not. All you brainless flamers be damned. Fools that you are thinking you know it all.

It is HER call, not yours.

 

I like sex.
I take it from my sister when needed.

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: SammySon
I like sex.
I take it from my sister when needed.

Dogs and other wild animals tend to do that, or so I thought...

my bad... It's just monkeys who do that!

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: yayo

Originally posted by: element®
No time right now to read the whole thread. I read some replies that look interesting.

IMHO to answer the original question: To pork or not to pork the sleeping wife, what phallus through yonder taco shell breaks....ah but I messed up quoting Shakespeare....speaking of shaking spears....back to the topic at hand.

I think it depends on what the wife wants. I mean even if they didn't agree on sex that night. They did agree to have sex at some point so it's not exactly rape in that sense. However if it bothers her that he went at it while she was unconscious, then it is wrong. Whereas if she is ok with it, then it is fine.

Rape is effing rape. They agreed on a day (2 days a week infact) she did not however give her husband consent to phuck he in her sleep.

If its not consenting, its rape. Boyfriend, lover, husband the bloody Pope. NO means NO!

I can't believe the retards in this place!! I almost want to start a pole asking "have you ever raped someone?"

Lighten up on the feminist retoric, will ya? You haven't even heard the other side of the story from Isla's husband, and you're already trying to convict the guy of rape!

Hell, even murderers caught in the act deserve a chance to explain themselves in this country before sentencing them. Sure, this guy will need a pretty good excuse or explaination to swing the public opinion around here, but I know better than to side against someone without hearing all the evidence.

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: yayo

Originally posted by: element®
No time right now to read the whole thread. I read some replies that look interesting.

IMHO to answer the original question: To pork or not to pork the sleeping wife, what phallus through yonder taco shell breaks....ah but I messed up quoting Shakespeare....speaking of shaking spears....back to the topic at hand.

I think it depends on what the wife wants. I mean even if they didn't agree on sex that night. They did agree to have sex at some point so it's not exactly rape in that sense. However if it bothers her that he went at it while she was unconscious, then it is wrong. Whereas if she is ok with it, then it is fine.

Rape is effing rape. They agreed on a day (2 days a week infact) she did not however give her husband consent to phuck he in her sleep.

If its not consenting, its rape. Boyfriend, lover, husband the bloody Pope. NO means NO!

I can't believe the retards in this place!! I almost want to start a pole asking "have you ever raped someone?"

Lighten up on the feminist retoric, will ya? You haven't even heard the other side of the story from Isla's husband, and you're already trying to convict the guy of rape!

Hell, even murderers caught in the act deserve a chance to explain themselves in this country before sentencing them. Sure, this guy will need a pretty good excuse or explaination to swing the public opinion around here, but I know better than to side against someone without hearing all the evidence.

Unfortunately over 4 years time I've had enough to base an opinion on. However you didn't know that did you.

 

[Ernieb]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: dirtboy
I've woken up to my gf doing that to me at 3-4am. Less than a week later I broke up with her. I will not tolerate being disrespected like that.

She defended herself by saying she thought I wouldn't mind. She figured every guy would like some girl to just help themselves. She also mentioned that if I was to ever do that to her, she would be outraged, because she would feel that I was raping her.

::shakes head::

You're the only guy that I know that would dump a girlfriend because she gave you random sex :Q

It's amazing how all the sex starved people on this board missed the entire point of what I was saying. She didn't give me random sex. I dervided no pleasure. She got on me, satisfied herself, got off and went back to sleep. Of course I was now awake and couldn't go back to sleep.

It's sad to see how much sex drives all of the pathetic men around here. I don't think or live through my penis like the rest of you do.

The point is: RESPECT. If your spouse, significant other, hand, whatever you want to call them can't show you any respect they must go. I can't care if my gf was a nympo...she just had a never ending sex drive. She didn't respect me enough to think about her actions. Any woman (or man, for you females here) that can't show their SO respect aren't worth marrying or dating or what-have-you.

My ex-gf is selfish. She only thinks and does for her, not for those around her.

The "husband" in this thread is the same way. It's his needs above others.

Living life thinking that your needs are above others, especially that of your parnter, is pathetic.

Hi Dirtboy

You sound like a nice polite person
WILL YOU MARRY ME?

 

[Geekbabe]

Of course there's nothing more fun than sleeping with somebody who obviously regards having sex with you as some sort of chore. It's interesting to watch the evolution of creative ways folks use to get out of having sex.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Of course there's nothing more fun than sleeping with somebody who obviously regards having sex with you as some sort of chore. It's interesting to watch the evolution of creative ways folks use to get out of having sex.

It's also not much fun to expected to have sex with someone whenever they want it, no matter how you feel. I don't consider having sex with my husband a chore. We actually have a very good sex life. But if I am exhausted and suffering from a sinus infection, I should be able to say "no". "No" is a word that hasn't come easy to me, and now that I can say it, I damn well want to be respected when I do.

Anyway, all is well here and my husband is VERY satisfied with me so y'all can go back to whatever it is that y'all do, and I will do the same.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Of course there's nothing more fun than sleeping with somebody who obviously regards having sex with you as some sort of chore. It's interesting to watch the evolution of creative ways folks use to get out of having sex.

It's also not much fun to expected to have sex with someone whenever they want it, no matter how you feel. I don't consider having sex with my husband a chore. We actually have a very good sex life. But if I am exhausted and suffering from a sinus infection, I should be able to say "no". "No" is a word that hasn't come easy to me, and now that I can say it, I damn well want to be respected when I do.

Anyway, all is well here and my husband is VERY satisfied with me so y'all can go back to whatever it is that y'all do, and I will do the same.

My girlfriend wants me to get off the computer and come lay down with her.

Hmmm. Tough decision.

BBL.

 

[alocurto]

haha, this post is still at the top!? If I marry a girl she better give it to me whenever I want. I need it and I get it, if not, I'll walk.:beer:

 

[Moonbeam]

Make sure you own good shoes.

 

[Linux23]

Originally posted by: Underground727
What the f*ck is wrong with you? Once or twice a week? I can't imagine trying to put a limit on that.

If I get married and a girl tries to pull that sh*t on me, well, that's why she signed a pre-nump. If you are married it should be like 3 or 4 times a day.

OMG man, you better stay single.

Isla, i really hope everything works out for your and your husband. I also hope that you are able to form an opinion of your own and Communicate to him your Pleasure or Displeasure from the situation he put you in.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Crimzon
I voted no... but I wouldn't be surprised if Husband stops bugging Wife soon about it. ie, He went outside of marriage.

That's a great attitude to have. In any case, poking my wife while she was asleep would result in an immediate Bobbitting. I wouldn't want to do it anyway, because I would rather my wife was awake and actively enjoying the proceedings. She passed out once while we were making love (we were both pretty intoxicated at the time) and I couldn't bring myself to keep going after that...

Wife wasn't mad... just kind of scared and disturbed.

if the wife was "scared and disturbed", then it is clear that they do not have much of a loving or trusting marriage. They are headed for a divorce. Once one partner starts putting restrictions and schedules for sex the other partner will start to feel his/her mate doesnt find him/her attractive or loved. This is the first step toward divorce court.

I know for a fact that if my wife put our sex life on a schedule i would not be very happy. sure masturbation with porn is a quick fix but it nowhere comes close to having his or her mate wanting to make love because they want to and not not bases on a stupid schedule.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Of course there's nothing more fun than sleeping with somebody who obviously regards having sex with you as some sort of chore. It's interesting to watch the evolution of creative ways folks use to get out of having sex.

It's also not much fun to expected to have sex with someone whenever they want it, no matter how you feel. I don't consider having sex with my husband a chore. We actually have a very good sex life. But if I am exhausted and suffering from a sinus infection, I should be able to say "no". "No" is a word that hasn't come easy to me, and now that I can say it, I damn well want to be respected when I do.

Anyway, all is well here and my husband is VERY satisfied with me so y'all can go back to whatever it is that y'all do, and I will do the same.

well, i came in late for this thread...i think i've posted in here but i don't remember..anyways....when i first read the first post by isla, i thought "dude, is she refering to herself and just not admitting it? "...but i guess that's right?..ahh i donno..don't want to be nosey (arg posting here already makes me nosey damn it! hehe)..

well, it's good that all is well....us dudes are just horny for prolonged periods of time......and girls have short intense bursts of crazy horniness that even surpasses dudes?...:Q ?...

 

[Blain]

"My girlfriend wants me to get off the computer and come lay down with her."

I think I know what she'll whisper in your ear when you lay down with her... "Get out there and trim those bushes"

 

[FriedRiceBob]

Originally posted by: Isla
.... I've been married for over 10 years and I am by nature a COMMUNICATOR. So if you think I haven't been trying to communicate in a healthy way with my husband, you've got it wrong.

of course you're a communicator...you're a woman




hehehe just playin.




the one time i ever did anything remotely like that (oral sex-ing her...no porking) it was thoroughly enjoyed

in addition i am a VERY heavy sleeper and once awoke to find that i was fondling her...kinda freaked ME out...at least she didnt awaken...but it did seem she was having nice dreams