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Richmond, CA Bans Smoking in Apartments
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Rubycon
Madame President
In apartments it's easy. The smoke detectors are centralized by address. Alarm trigger thresholds are normally set higher to prevent false alarms due to cigarette smoking. When a ban is in effect the thresholds can be lowered so smoke triggers a regular alarm. When this happens the panel in the engineer's office shows what quarterspace is in alarm and a (usually big and strong!) person is dispatched to those quarters for a smack down.
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I'm sorry, but I have to agree with him. You know the risks when you live in an apartment building - there are going to be a LOT of different people around you, with different lifestyles, likes, dislikes, etc.
Single family unit or STFU. People that smoke aren't the reason I hate apartments and refuse to live in one, but it may as well be.
A quick goole search tells me 42k people died of car accidents in 2002 and a group called
Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights says there are 52k deaths a year from second hand smoke.
We know for sure that those people died from car accidents, have yet to see a death certificate listing COD as second hand smoke.
We should ban cars.
S
SlitheryDee
I believe you are. I imagine a hypothetical person with a smoking neighbor takes in higher concentrations of a number of other carcinogens than they do second hand smoke originating from that neighbor. It's a minor olfactory irritation, but some people harp on it like they're getting pure cigarette tar injected directly into their nostrils while they sleep. Since I quit, I don't have much use for smokers either, but I wouldn't dream of passing a law curtailing their ability to smoke for what boils down to a minor inconvenience for me.
Rubycon
Madame President
Smoke detectors are not normally in cooking areas. Lowering the threshold will definitely open the possibility of falses due to dust, however. The maint folks won't like this because they will have to have more frequent cleaning routines.
Also monitored alarms means the master alarm is not sounded unless the person in charge decides to. Of course this policy varies by locale, etc. My knowledge is primarily with SOLAS. (shipboard)
The best enforcement is the installation of flame detectors. If a flame is detected they respond INSTANTLY. These are usually installed in sleeping quarters where flames of no kind are tolerated. For apartment dwellers I suppose the use of any kind of match/lighter is out! No candles or incense.
theeedude
Lifer
It effects different people differently, and I don't necessarily agree with your conclusions. But even if it was a minor olfactory irritation, why should I have to endure it in my own apartment or condo? Why should I have my apartment smell like cigarette smoke for daring to open my window in the summer? Why should children have to breathe cigarette smoke just because their parents can't afford a single family dwelling? Inconvenience of not being able to smoke does not take precedence over inconvenience of not having fresh air to breathe, even if you ignore the health effects of second hand smoke. City is absolutely right in this case, and this should be adopted more widely.
S
SlitheryDee
You should have to endure it just like you endure a number of other people-originated sights and smells without complaint. If your neighbors were barbecuing, an activity which generates many times the amount of smoke that cigarettes do , you'd probably just close your window and not be terribly put off by it (provided BBQing is allowed by the apartment complex). You have the right to do almost anything within your own home and many things outside of it. What you don't have the right to is to be completely unaffected by other people exercising that same right. Up to a point you DO have to take some shit from other people in the interest of honoring their right to do things in a semi-free country. Be thankful it's minor shit, like a whiff of smoke that happens to find its way into an open window, which BTW must accept any and all things carried into it by the wind. That wind always carrying nothing but the scents of jasmine and roses 24/7 is not among your rights. Closing the window most certainly is among your rights. When you can control the air quality of your space perfectly well simply by closing a window, why must you insist on also controlling the air outside your space?
Modelworks
Lifer
If you are a property owner you can say no smoking because smoking can damage the property. It can yellow the inside walls and leave smells in the hvac that are hard to remove. It is legal for them to ban it for the same reason they can say no pets allowed. They are protecting their property.
I moved into an apartment that housed a former smoker. Even though it was repainted and really clean I can still smell cigarette smoke if I sit too close to a wall .
I moved into an apartment that housed a former smoker. Even though it was repainted and really clean I can still smell cigarette smoke if I sit too close to a wall .
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