AMD hit its prelaunch targets on Bobcat pretty well, actually. Faster than Atom with better graphics than it, in a small, cheap to produce die- and it sold very well. Bodes well for the successor to Bobcat.
6 days left . Lets see who shows their hand at CES.
Brazo did fine against a 5 year old product from intel . Intel was committed to the orginal atom for 5 years we all know this also . Why I don't know but they did fulfill that oblagation to whom ever it was made .
...and you've just proved his point. Good job.
So do you.He proves my point every time he opens his mouth.
The Bonnell core was mostly unchanged since 2008, but the manufacturing process, chipset, graphics and uncore have all changed significantly. It's not the same chip it was- it's been shrunk to 32nm, gone from having a chipset which used more power than the processor itself to a fully integrated SoC, and gone from northbridge based Intel GMA graphics to on-die PowerVR graphics. The core count has doubled, and clock speeds have improved. This isn't the same Atom that launched in 2008.
But than comparring that unreleased product to existing products as long as its within their product range is fine . But comparring to someone elses old products when they also have new products coming out really is child like . wait for the products see the results crawl away licking wounds as always.
32nm Atom SoC is not an old product- it's newer than Bobcat. Clover Trail came out less than six months ago.
Its still the orginal core updated nothing more . The new core to be released in 2013 is all new design from ground up.
Its still the orginal core updated nothing more . The new core to be released in 2013 is all new design from ground up.
Look I have watched your post every since conroy . No man has been more responsible for good people being banned because of your HYPE on AMD products . Every man woman and child here knows this . This is a good subject . But this constantly wanting to compare unreleased AMD products to existing Intel products is older than old . 6 days left . Lets see who shows their hand at CES. Brazo did fine against a 5 year old product from intel . Intel was committed to the orginal atom for 5 years we all know this also . Why I don't know but they did fulfill that oblagation to whom ever it was made . But now its a new product every year up to 14nm for sure. Intel says that the 14nm Atom will appear around the same time as broadwell . Unless intel has moved broadwell to 2015 . That means we will see 22nm atom and 14nm atom befor the end of 2014. So the Intel roadmaps are not saying this.
Yeah, the 2014 Atom is going to be a big jump. But the current Atom is still the latest and greatest Atom that Intel have brought out, and that is what is going to compete in the market against AMD. Just because Intel have neglected their CPU performance doesn't alter that.
If not it will be a matter of time until 14nm Celerons and 14nm Atoms wipe out their market share.
If they're sold cheaply enough. Kabini's main advantage here will be that it's cheap.
Kabini won't have an easy time on laptops too, as it will clash with IVB Celeron and Pentiums. The fact that AMD is redirecting part of their Brazos sales to desktops are an indicative of how tough are current conditions for AMD low-end chips, and while Brazos might improve the situation a bit, competing against Core and Trinity won't be easy.
So AMD will be on a "half baked" 20nm, but intels 14nm will be all singing, all dancing? Do you have anything to back this up?But more important, AMD will be stuck on 28nm until at least 2015, when they will move to a half-baked 20nm process. This at the time when Intel will be on the second generation finfet at 14nm, and Atom will be on this process already.
Smaller die size and lower TDP? Kabini will not come in far above 80mm2, and will certainly have far superior battery life to any celeron or pentium class cpu, as well as overwhelmingly superior graphics.I don't see any reason to think that Kabini/Temash will fare any better when subjected to the same handicaps (Intel chips will have smaller die size, lower TDP and better CPU performance) regardless of how good AMD GPU is.
I think you'll find it's the opposite case and intels IVB Celerons and Pentiums are going to be under threat from Kabini, which will have dramatically superior graphics and lower TDP.
So AMD will be on a "half baked" 20nm, but intels 14nm will be all singing, all dancing? Do you have anything to back this up?
Smaller die size and lower TDP? Kabini will not come in far above 80mm2, and will certainly have far superior battery life to any celeron or pentium class cpu, as well as overwhelmingly superior graphics.
Can you at least decide what chip is supposed to be Kabini's competition then? So far it seems to be up against Atoms TDP, Haswell's cpu and graphics and Celeron's cost. Now THAT would be a chip for sure, however I get the feeling the actual chip that Kabini finds itself competing against won't be quite so balanced.
I don't think you really noticed but Haswell will bring the bar down to 10W, Broadwell should bring even more.
Ivy graphics is much slower than the Trinity graphics. It may faster at low resolution and quality, but when you set the bar to medium or high than the game is still playable at Trinity but not at Ivy.As for the dramatically superior graphics, I'll wait for the benches. IVB graphics are already beating Trinity in some cases. I don't think Haswell will have such a huge deficit compared to GNC, much less Broadwell IGPU.
There is no point to compare Kabini to Ivy Bridge or any mainstream platform. Creating a mobile product is not only depends from the TDP. You must consider the motherboard size. This is relatively large with a mainstream platform, and very small with a low power product like Kabini. With a small motherboard you can use a large accumulator, so the battery life will be perfect. With a mainstream platform this will be much lower.Kabini will go up in the power ladder until 25W, IVB and HSW will go down until 10W. What Kabini and what IVB are you comparing? Or a 10W HSW/BRW will consume more power than a 25W Kabini?
The Bay Trail Atom won't be a fast product. The CPU will be good, but the iGPU will just comparable with Brazos, or slower in some perspective.All in all I just don't expect Kabini to have the same success Brazos had, but I don't think Kabini will buckle until 14nm Atom and Broadwell. Where I have great hopes for Kabini is in the embedded market. AMD can make great strides there.
Yeah, the 2014 Atom is going to be a big jump. But the current Atom is still the latest and greatest Atom that Intel have brought out, and that is what is going to compete in the market against AMD. Just because Intel have neglected their CPU performance doesn't alter that.
You are probably correctI thought Kabini has 128 SPs, frequency unknown though.
If it matches up with 128SP discrete part next year then it will probably be close to this spec GPU-wise. Can we now say ~40-50% faster than Brazos? It sure looks like thatKabini can be coupled with discrete HD 8000 cards
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The fastest of them all is Mars 128 LP, PRO or XT that comes with HD 8700M series. AMD now calls it Crossfire dual graphics, and I guess that Crossfire brand remains reserved for two discrete graphics cards coupled together.
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The Bay Trail Atom won't be a fast product. The CPU will be good, but the iGPU will just comparable with Brazos, or slower in some perspective.