No.. a phone conversation with someone under investigation also does not qualify as a cloud. Nobody has a cloud over them until someone specifically alleges they did something wrong, and there is some evidence suggesting they may have. So until you explain exactly what Rahm was supposed to have done, and if there is anything at all supporting that, then you're spewing hot air.
No.. a phone conversation with someone under investigation also does not qualify as a cloud. Nobody has a cloud over them until someone specifically alleges they did something wrong, and there is some evidence suggesting they may have. So until you explain exactly what Rahm was supposed to have done, and if there is anything at all supporting that, then you're spewing hot air.
Anyone starting to feel bad for CAD at this point? You can almost smell the desperation coming off of him.
Now he's gone as far as saying you don't need to have been convicted of wrongdoing to be under a cloud, you don't even need to be ACCUSED of wrongdoing, you just need to be somewhat tangently connected with someone who did something bad. It's like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon version of ethics violations.
CAD, my personal advice to you is to sit back and wait. No president makes it through a whole term without having some real scandal happen and I'm sure Obama won't be an exception. Instead of jumping on things that just make you look pathetic, why don't you save your ammo for the real ones?
Now he's gone as far as saying you don't need to have been convicted of wrongdoing to be under a cloud, you don't even need to be ACCUSED of wrongdoing, you just need to be somewhat tangently connected with someone who did something bad. It's like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon version of ethics violations.
CAD, my personal advice to you is to sit back and wait. No president makes it through a whole term without having some real scandal happen and I'm sure Obama won't be an exception. Instead of jumping on things that just make you look pathetic, why don't you save your ammo for the real ones?
Not much of a "cloud", considering the FBI's tapes of Blago have him saying "F*ck them [the Obama camp]" after all they would offer him was their thanks if he appointed Valerie Jarrett to Obama's vacated Senate seat.
While I think your original post is valid, this whole sidetrack about Blago is a ton of crap, which describes most of your posts in P&N.
So in other words you clearly grossly mislead any reasonable measure.
There is nothing odd or unusual about Rahm speaking to Blago about the seat given his position with the Obama administration. Its extremely common for a Senator leaving for another political position to at least let a governor responsible for appointing his successor know about his general preferences and views on the subject, and doing it through Rahm in this case made sense. It also makes sense that as a President Obama would prefer the person who gets appointed is someone he can work with.
All the evidence known publicly so far actually points against any wrongdoing by Rahm with Blago apparently getting the impression that the Obama administration was completely unwilling to give him anything in return for appointing anyone Obama would prefer. (With Blago going so far as to use swear words to describe Obama as a result.)
"Under a cloud" is understood to represent something pretty serious with it typically suggesting known substantial involvement with a scandal or a known specific investigation targeting the person in question, and you can at best say "there are still questions" about whether Rahm had any possible involvement at all in any way that could be viewed as engaging as wrongdoing, which is a much lower level of suggested involvement in a scandal. (In this case the available evidence points against wrong doimg by Rahm right now.)
Right... only if you are naive or partisan enough to not be able to look at the whole picture.
There is a cloud that is the Blago situation and Rahm is smack in the middle of it - regardless of your claims.
theeedude
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Yawn, the only cloud here is the one your head is in. Democrats kicked major butt this election, and they are going to govern with a mandate. Republicans have been repudiated, but instead of reforming their party, they are going to be throwing stones, obstructing, and imagining clouds, which means they have a lot of repudiation ahead of them.
:roll: like I need any advice from the likes of you. There is no "desperation" here. It is a FACT that Richardson is under investigation and has pulled out of his appointment. It's also a FACT that Rahm is smack in the middle of the Blago thing.
Yes, we'll have to wait and see what transpires but as my OP stated - I happen to think there must be something to this otherwise he'd continue with the appointment process.
This has nothing to do with Republican or Democrats - this is about Richardson and him giving up his appointment by BHO due to the investigation of yet another pay-to-play scandal.
So in other words you're willing to flat out lie about the situation.
Right now the evidence is Rahm was quite peripherally involved in the scandal with him merely engaging in pretty routine phone calls in such a situation, with the available evidence strongly against him engaging in any wrongdoing if anything.
You're mostly commenting on your own trustworthiness at this point by your continued refusal to back down from your claims in the face of the contrary evidence.
:roll: naive much?
AGAIN you and other fail to read and understand that I've made no allegations of wrongdoing by Rahm - however that doesn't mean he isn't in that cloud - which any rational person looking at this would place him in.
I bet he pulled out even though he did no wrongdoing :roll:
Ah, yes, the tables have turned. Now the country will see why they turned on democrats earlier this decade.
Ah, yes, the tables have turned. Now the country will see why they turned on democrats earlier this decade.
I agree that Richardson probably will come out at least tainted from all this, and that's why he resigned his candidacy. I was referring to the Rahm thing, which is still incredibly pathetic on your part.
You really do need advice from the likes of me. You consistently embarrass yourself on here, and not only would I like you to stop as it would decrease the volume of dumb posts on here, but someday you'll probably wish you had conducted yourself a bit better too.
You at best don't understand what "under a cloud" is actually understood to mean today and have ignored the evidence to the contrary in this thread and refused to do your own research.
Right now all that has been established is Rahm had what are rather routine conversations with Blago in this situation with no evidence of actual wrongdoing, which clearly is not sufficient to put him "under a cloud" at this time.
That would require someone for instance being known to converse with Blago in some of the key incriminating conversations or who is known to have ordinarily been carefully consulted by Blago when dealing with these sorts of matters.
It clearly is not rational to suggest otherwise once you understand how the phrase is actually used today.
(The term is commonly used when someone is specifically seriously suspected of significant wrongdoing involving a matter, or when someone is clearly disgraced due to his level of involve with a scandal, neither of which remotely apply to Rahm right now.)
Richardson is *not* under investigation, CSG, despite your dishonest repeated assertion that he is. That's not "fact", at all.
CDR financial services is apparently under investigation-
Nobody who's involved is actually naming Richardson in the investigation, only the pundits and prophets of the Rightwing...
Clearly, the way this is being handled shows an effort in the Obama camp to avoid scandal, rather than to embrace and defend in the ways we've experienced over the last 8 years...
CDR financial services is apparently under investigation-
Nobody who's involved is actually naming Richardson in the investigation, only the pundits and prophets of the Rightwing...
Clearly, the way this is being handled shows an effort in the Obama camp to avoid scandal, rather than to embrace and defend in the ways we've experienced over the last 8 years...
No I think we misunderstood him and he is right. According to weather.com, it is cloudy in Chicago today so he probably means Rahm and Blagoyavich are in fact under the same cloud.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ah but in the meantime you only get to watch:laugh:
And I will enjoy watching the public turn on dems for their screw ups and erode the margin in congress, just like they did with the republicans.
Arent you older? Havent you seen this pendulum before?
Whoever is in power takes all of the flak, and people want "change".
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ah but in the meantime you only get to watch
And I will enjoy watching the public turn on dems for their screw ups and erode the margin in congress, just like they did with the republicans.
Arent you older? Havent you seen this pendulum before?
Whoever is in power takes all of the flak, and people want "change".
Pendulum my ass.
There was never a destruction of the country done by a party in full control like the Republicans did from 2001 to 2006.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, it's the typical liberal troll duhversion....
As opposed to guilt by association or proximity that the neocons try to pull all of the time?
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, it's the typical liberal troll duhversion....
As opposed to guilt by association or proximity that the neocons try to pull all of the time?
Yeah what was the democrat platform for 06? Culture of corruption? Nah, no guilt by association there!
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The guy might be Guilty of something...or maybe the Dems just have more Integrity and avoid even the appearance of Corruption. The Reps would likely have just denied the situation, even after Guilt of wrongdoing had been proven, smiling for their Prison photos.
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