Richardson pulls out due to investigation...

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang
Who is the other BHO "admin"?

Rahm? Duh.

What wrongdoing is he accused of?

Another BHO "admin" under a cloud?

Have you been living under a rock? Hello? Blago? BHO's Senate seat? Rahm's seat? Surely you can't be that naive...

Remember pay to play in Iraq. Halliburton, Exxon, Chevron, Cheney. Billions down the drain and thousands dead.

Hey look, it's the typical liberal troll duhversion....

As opposed to guilt by association or proximity that the neocons try to pull all of the time?

Yeah what was the democrat platform for 06? Culture of corruption? Nah, no guilt by association there!

You are confused as usual.

The dems were not practicing 'guilt by association' with the 'culture of corruption' attack.

That would have been the case if there had been a handful of isolated examples and they smeared the whole party, as the Repubs here are trying to do with Blago.

The 'culture of corruption' attack was a broad attack on a broad culture of corruption based on a massive, pervasive set of behaviors across many government areas.

From Bush's appointing hundreds of former industry lobbyists to positions overseeing/regulating those same industries, if they donated; to the many Karl Rove schemes like using party e-mail addresses to hide 'sensitive e-mail' and evade the laws requiring the preservation of the information (passed because of Watergate and Iran Contra - and yes, the e-mails largely 'disappeared'); to the Alberto Gonzales/Rove politicization of the Justice Department to demans phony charges against democrats to influence elections, and to not charge guilty Republicans, and getting rid of several attorneys in an unprecedented manner; the constant use of inappropriate and illegal political filters for appointments, from asking US Attorney nominees whether they had voted for Bush and donated to Repulbicans, to appointing a right-wing think tank's young applicants to positions in Iraq, where tens of billions 'disappeared' and they tried to orchestrate a puppet government of Chalabi; to the lies about WMD and going to war; to the dishonest names for their sellout bills, like 'Clear Skies' for a pro-pollution bill; to their huge Medicare drug theft that was to give their biggest donor industry a $150B windfall taxpayer profit; to the handling of the trillions in the bailout money from the recent crisis; to Tom Delay's blocking of reforms for slave labor in our territory when the factory owners flew him and family there for a golf trip; to the "K street project" to closely link businesses having to donate only to Republicans to get anything passed by the Republican government; to the Republicans changing the standard for blocking federal judges to make it easier for Republicans to block Clinton nominees and harder for Democrats to block Bush nominees; and a lot more.

That's not 'guilt by association', it's a big attack for big corruption.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang
epic lulz.. to be 'under a cloud' there still needs to be specific allegations of wrongdoing. You don't just get to place people 'under clouds' willy-nilly

epic partisan naivety :roll: There is an investigation into BHO's seat and Blago trying to sell it. Rahm is smack dab in the middle of it as he had conversations with Blago. So while there may not be specific allegations against him(I never stated there were) - there most definitely a cloud around him and the situation as a whole.

Now are you apologists just going to whine about "another" instead of looking at Richardson?

Uh, you're wrong. First, let's define terms - you can say what you think it means, but it means there is reasons for suspicion of wrongdoing.

That's not the case here, despite what you said.

You are confusing 'having any connection to the situation' with 'under suspicion of wrongdoing'.

Let's make the point with some examples. Hillary was married to and sexually involved with Bill Clinton, but she was not 'under a cloud' because of his sexual affair.

Reporters who have talked about that recent $50B fraud with the person who committed it, before it was known to be a fraud, are not 'under a cloud'.

Blago's driver, his secretary, his lieutenant governor, the politicans and staff who interacted with him as they normall would on matters like the Senate seat appointment, are not 'under a cloud'. Rahm had legitimate interactions, and there's no evidence he did anything wrong, which is enough to take him out from the cloud, but there's even strong evidence the other way, Blago's secretly recorded statements how Obama (and presumably his team, including Rahm) would not give him anything for the seat.

Then again, now that you have posted on the Blago topic, maybe you are 'under a cloud' for being 'involved'.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: palehorse
Any person who still believes that one party is any more or less corrupt than the other is also living under a cloud... of stupidity.

Irony of the week award, for being so exacctly wrong and ideological while trying to claim it's 'exposing the truth'.

See my post above for a samplig of the Republican wrongs for which there is no counterpart to the imperfect but far less corrupt Democratic party.

You really don't like facts, do you PH.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I bet he pulled out even though he did no wrongdoing :roll:

The complaints here were mostly abou this calling this 'another' BHO admin 'cloud', when it's the only one.

Some also pointed out the lack actual allegations against Richardson, it's a gray area, but even allowing that to be called a 'cloud', the 'another' accusation is baseless.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
New Mexico governor cites pending investigation of business dealings


This must have a bit of truth to it, otherwise there is no way he'd pull out. Seems pay for play isn't only an Illinois problem....

I am just glad Obama caught wind of this and asked him to pull out.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Sheesh.. Republicans might get the majority back just by so many democrats being criminals.

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang
Who is the other BHO "admin"?

Rahm? Duh.

What wrongdoing is he accused of?

Another BHO "admin" under a cloud?

Have you been living under a rock? Hello? Blago? BHO's Senate seat? Rahm's seat? Surely you can't be that naive...

I've read all about it and as far as I can tell there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.. so instead of a bunch of question marks I'd like to see from you a specific allegation backed up by facts.

Of course! But if it's a GOP then they're always guilty until found innocent! Or until proven by facts that they are innocent! In the Orient, politicians resign their posts to maintain their personal integrity and for the better of the country; in the West politicians resign their posts because there's no way to retain or survive it! As CDR said, there's no way to get confirmation for the post because of this!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang
Who is the other BHO "admin"?

Rahm? Duh.

What wrongdoing is he accused of?

Another BHO "admin" under a cloud?

Have you been living under a rock? Hello? Blago? BHO's Senate seat? Rahm's seat? Surely you can't be that naive...

Remember pay to play in Iraq. Halliburton, Exxon, Chevron, Cheney. Billions down the drain and thousands dead.

Hey look, it's the typical liberal troll duhversion....

As opposed to guilt by association or proximity that the neocons try to pull all of the time?

Yeah what was the democrat platform for 06? Culture of corruption? Nah, no guilt by association there!

You are confused as usual.

The dems were not practicing 'guilt by association' with the 'culture of corruption' attack.

That would have been the case if there had been a handful of isolated examples and they smeared the whole party, as the Repubs here are trying to do with Blago.

The 'culture of corruption' attack was a broad attack on a broad culture of corruption based on a massive, pervasive set of behaviors across many government areas.

From Bush's appointing hundreds of former industry lobbyists to positions overseeing/regulating those same industries, if they donated; to the many Karl Rove schemes like using party e-mail addresses to hide 'sensitive e-mail' and evade the laws requiring the preservation of the information (passed because of Watergate and Iran Contra - and yes, the e-mails largely 'disappeared'); to the Alberto Gonzales/Rove politicization of the Justice Department to demans phony charges against democrats to influence elections, and to not charge guilty Republicans, and getting rid of several attorneys in an unprecedented manner; the constant use of inappropriate and illegal political filters for appointments, from asking US Attorney nominees whether they had voted for Bush and donated to Repulbicans, to appointing a right-wing think tank's young applicants to positions in Iraq, where tens of billions 'disappeared' and they tried to orchestrate a puppet government of Chalabi; to the lies about WMD and going to war; to the dishonest names for their sellout bills, like 'Clear Skies' for a pro-pollution bill; to their huge Medicare drug theft that was to give their biggest donor industry a $150B windfall taxpayer profit; to the handling of the trillions in the bailout money from the recent crisis; to Tom Delay's blocking of reforms for slave labor in our territory when the factory owners flew him and family there for a golf trip; to the "K street project" to closely link businesses having to donate only to Republicans to get anything passed by the Republican government; to the Republicans changing the standard for blocking federal judges to make it easier for Republicans to block Clinton nominees and harder for Democrats to block Bush nominees; and a lot more.

That's not 'guilt by association', it's a big attack for big corruption.

It was guilt by association no matter how much you try to spin it. But I wouldnt expect a kiss ass like you to acknowledge it.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Genx87
It was guilt by association no matter how much you try to spin it. But I wouldnt expect a kiss ass like you to acknowledge it.

You don't seem to understand thar you tossing insults is like having, say, a white supremacist toss an insult. I'm proud of my 'enemies'.

I can't even make sense of your post - who are you falsely accusing my of kissing up to, which 'guilt by association' situation you are referring to, but that's ok with me.

Saves me the trouble of pointing out your mistake yet again. But I do notice the lack of any attempt at an argument, at logic, by you, just name calling for an argument. As usual.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Sheesh.. Republicans might get the majority back just by so many democrats being criminals.

By so many, you apparently mean about as high as you can count, two. Blago, and the unnamed person on his tape who was willing to pay for the seat.

Might even hit 3 with Richardson, depending whether he's done anything wrong.

Three, compared to hundreds of corrupt and criminal. (Just start with the hundreds of lobbyists appointed to 'regulatory' positions for corrupt).

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang
Who is the other BHO "admin"?

Rahm? Duh.

What wrongdoing is he accused of?

Another BHO "admin" under a cloud?

Have you been living under a rock? Hello? Blago? BHO's Senate seat? Rahm's seat? Surely you can't be that naive...

Remember pay to play in Iraq. Halliburton, Exxon, Chevron, Cheney. Billions down the drain and thousands dead.

Hey look, it's the typical liberal troll duhversion....

sheese dude even liberals have issues with BarneyFife.............

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
New Mexico governor cites pending investigation of business dealings


This must have a bit of truth to it, otherwise there is no way he'd pull out. Seems pay for play isn't only an Illinois problem....

To be honest....you are reacting way too early!
Trying to make a mountain out of a molehill,,,,,

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Different party, same sh!t.

Fvck both democrats and republicans.

that was intelligent commentary!! rofl

 

[yllus]

You know, Obama's administration is going to do plenty of shady things just as a matter of course if you just wait a while. These threads where you're looking for something, anything to make a fuss about are just sort of pitiful.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87
It was guilt by association no matter how much you try to spin it. But I wouldnt expect a kiss ass like you to acknowledge it.

You don't seem to understand thar you tossing insults is like having, say, a white supremacist toss an insult. I'm proud of my 'enemies'.

I can't even make sense of your post - who are you falsely accusing my of kissing up to, which 'guilt by association' situation you are referring to, but that's ok with me.

Saves me the trouble of pointing out your mistake yet again. But I do notice the lack of any attempt at an argument, at logic, by you, just name calling for an argument. As usual.

Craig only a braindead drunk couldnt understand whom I was saying you kiss ass too. As for the topic at hand. You disregard that the democrats took the misdeeds of a few republicans and painted them all with the brush is the same as guilt by association. Just by being repubblicans in 06 and 08 they were guilty of what bush, cheney, and people like Tom Delay and Ted Stevenson did. It doesnt get any more basic than that. Like I said, only a kiss ass like you could possibly try to spin in any other way.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87
It was guilt by association no matter how much you try to spin it. But I wouldnt expect a kiss ass like you to acknowledge it.

You don't seem to understand thar you tossing insults is like having, say, a white supremacist toss an insult. I'm proud of my 'enemies'.

I can't even make sense of your post - who are you falsely accusing my of kissing up to, which 'guilt by association' situation you are referring to, but that's ok with me.

Saves me the trouble of pointing out your mistake yet again. But I do notice the lack of any attempt at an argument, at logic, by you, just name calling for an argument. As usual.

Craig only a braindead drunk couldnt understand whom I was saying you kiss ass too. As for the topic at hand. You disregard that the democrats took the misdeeds of a few republicans and painted them all with the brush is the same as guilt by association. Just by being repubblicans in 06 and 08 they were guilty of what bush, cheney, and people like Tom Delay and Ted Stevenson did. It doesnt get any more basic than that. Like I said, only a kiss ass like you could possibly try to spin in any other way.

I see no evidence you are drunk.

As for it only being bush/cheney/delay/stevenson, you can't read:

From Bush's appointing hundreds of former industry lobbyists to positions overseeing/regulating those same industries, if they donated; to the many Karl Rove schemes like using party e-mail addresses to hide 'sensitive e-mail' and evade the laws requiring the preservation of the information (passed because of Watergate and Iran Contra - and yes, the e-mails largely 'disappeared'); to the Alberto Gonzales/Rove politicization of the Justice Department to demans phony charges against democrats to influence elections, and to not charge guilty Republicans, and getting rid of several attorneys in an unprecedented manner; the constant use of inappropriate and illegal political filters for appointments, from asking US Attorney nominees whether they had voted for Bush and donated to Repulbicans, to appointing a right-wing think tank's young applicants to positions in Iraq, where tens of billions 'disappeared' and they tried to orchestrate a puppet government of Chalabi; to the lies about WMD and going to war; to the dishonest names for their sellout bills, like 'Clear Skies' for a pro-pollution bill; to their huge Medicare drug theft that was to give their biggest donor industry a $150B windfall taxpayer profit; to the handling of the trillions in the bailout money from the recent crisis; to Tom Delay's blocking of reforms for slave labor in our territory when the factory owners flew him and family there for a golf trip; to the "K street project" to closely link businesses having to donate only to Republicans to get anything passed by the Republican government; to the Republicans changing the standard for blocking federal judges to make it easier for Republicans to block Clinton nominees and harder for Democrats to block Bush nominees; and a lot more.

That's why cut and paste is handy. We could go on and on, of course, such as the massive corruption at department of interior, the censoring of science, the threatening of the staff if they told Congress the truth about the cost of the bill the leadership wanted to pass, the lies about senior staff involvement in the Valeri Plame outing (not to mention the lies her husband exposed that led them to target her inthe first place), on and on.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Genx87

You disregard that the democrats took the misdeeds of a few republicans and painted them all with the brush is the same as guilt by association. Just by being repubblicans in 06 and 08 they were guilty of what bush, cheney, and people like Tom Delay and Ted Stevenson did.

You mean, those you named weren't bad enough? You can skip Ted Stevenson. His was just garden variety corruption. You can glaze over Tom DeLay and his mega bucks fund scheming with Jack Abramoff, and skip to the horrendous crimes of your Traitor In Chief and almost the entirety of his administration, including treason, murder, torture and other crimes against humanity. Then, keep moving on to the rape of our economic system by their wealthy Wall Street robber baron contributors.

Unlike a report of an investigation into unproven allegations of "possible 'pay-to-play' dealings," the Bushwhackos' crimes are well established, documented major felonies.

Cry foul when you can prove it. Right now, all you've got is your usual hot air.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87
It was guilt by association no matter how much you try to spin it. But I wouldnt expect a kiss ass like you to acknowledge it.

You don't seem to understand thar you tossing insults is like having, say, a white supremacist toss an insult. I'm proud of my 'enemies'.

I can't even make sense of your post - who are you falsely accusing my of kissing up to, which 'guilt by association' situation you are referring to, but that's ok with me.

Saves me the trouble of pointing out your mistake yet again. But I do notice the lack of any attempt at an argument, at logic, by you, just name calling for an argument. As usual.

Craig only a braindead drunk couldnt understand whom I was saying you kiss ass too. As for the topic at hand. You disregard that the democrats took the misdeeds of a few republicans and painted them all with the brush is the same as guilt by association. Just by being repubblicans in 06 and 08 they were guilty of what bush, cheney, and people like Tom Delay and Ted Stevenson did. It doesnt get any more basic than that. Like I said, only a kiss ass like you could possibly try to spin in any other way.

I see no evidence you are drunk.

As for it only being bush/cheney/delay/stevenson, you can't read:

From Bush's appointing hundreds of former industry lobbyists to positions overseeing/regulating those same industries, if they donated; to the many Karl Rove schemes like using party e-mail addresses to hide 'sensitive e-mail' and evade the laws requiring the preservation of the information (passed because of Watergate and Iran Contra - and yes, the e-mails largely 'disappeared'); to the Alberto Gonzales/Rove politicization of the Justice Department to demans phony charges against democrats to influence elections, and to not charge guilty Republicans, and getting rid of several attorneys in an unprecedented manner; the constant use of inappropriate and illegal political filters for appointments, from asking US Attorney nominees whether they had voted for Bush and donated to Repulbicans, to appointing a right-wing think tank's young applicants to positions in Iraq, where tens of billions 'disappeared' and they tried to orchestrate a puppet government of Chalabi; to the lies about WMD and going to war; to the dishonest names for their sellout bills, like 'Clear Skies' for a pro-pollution bill; to their huge Medicare drug theft that was to give their biggest donor industry a $150B windfall taxpayer profit; to the handling of the trillions in the bailout money from the recent crisis; to Tom Delay's blocking of reforms for slave labor in our territory when the factory owners flew him and family there for a golf trip; to the "K street project" to closely link businesses having to donate only to Republicans to get anything passed by the Republican government; to the Republicans changing the standard for blocking federal judges to make it easier for Republicans to block Clinton nominees and harder for Democrats to block Bush nominees; and a lot more.

That's why cut and paste is handy. We could go on and on, of course, such as the massive corruption at department of interior, the censoring of science, the threatening of the staff if they told Congress the truth about the cost of the bill the leadership wanted to pass, the lies about senior staff involvement in the Valeri Plame outing (not to mention the lies her husband exposed that led them to target her inthe first place), on and on.

And again what part of painting every republican with this brush isnt guilt by association? Unless you can somehow prove every single republican had their hand in this when you campaign on culture of corruption, it is painting every republican with guilt just by being part of the party. What part of that dont you understand?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Genx87
And again what part of painting every republican with this brush isnt guilt by association? Unless you can somehow prove every single republican had their hand in this when you campaign on culture of corruption, it is painting every republican with guilt just by being part of the party. What part of that dont you understand?

*No one* has said every Republican is corrupt, in this forum. No one.

The 'culture' of corruption' phrase says there is massive corruption, not universal.

Right in my recent post I'd discussed how some Republicans fought against the corrupt Medicare bill backed by the leadership.

You're saying something untrue in claiming every Republican was called corrupt. "Culture of corruption" can be defended. "Every Republican" was not claimed.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Right... only if you are naive or partisan enough to not be able to look at the whole picture.

There is a cloud that is the Blago situation and Rahm is smack in the middle of it - regardless of your claims.

So in other words you're willing to flat out lie about the situation.

Right now the evidence is Rahm was quite peripherally involved in the scandal with him merely engaging in pretty routine phone calls in such a situation, with the available evidence strongly against him engaging in any wrongdoing if anything.

You're mostly commenting on your own trustworthiness at this point by your continued refusal to back down from your claims in the face of the contrary evidence.

:roll: naive much?
AGAIN you and other fail to read and understand that I've made no allegations of wrongdoing by Rahm - however that doesn't mean he isn't in that cloud - which any rational person looking at this would place him in.

Still bitter that Rahm helped kick GOP's butt in Congress? Don't worry, cloud or no cloud, he's going to put the screws on the ones still left standing

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87
And again what part of painting every republican with this brush isnt guilt by association? Unless you can somehow prove every single republican had their hand in this when you campaign on culture of corruption, it is painting every republican with guilt just by being part of the party. What part of that dont you understand?

*No one* has said every Republican is corrupt, in this forum. No one.

The 'culture' of corruption' phrase says there is massive corruption, not universal.

Right in my recent post I'd discussed how some Republicans fought against the corrupt Medicare bill backed by the leadership.

You're saying something untrue in claiming every Republican was called corrupt. "Culture of corruption" can be defended. "Every Republican" was not claimed.

It was used against every republican no matter what they did. It was a universal campaign slogan in the 06 elections the democrats took to win seats against republicans. That is guilt by association.

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. When you lay down with the dogs, Genx87, you're gonna get some fleas... particularly if you do so for an extended period of time.

Looks like Richardson took his fleas back to New Mexico before they got spread around, if he actually has any fleas at all...

 

[Lemon law]

Lets look at the facts as we have it now. And set forth some initial not yet established hypotheses that may or may not be established as true.

1. Some grand jury in New Mexico is suspicious of CDR, a company that received State of New Mexico contracts.

1a, we do not know yet if the grand jury will investigate and find nothing, or will return criminal charges.

2. As sitting Governor at the time, (a) Richardson may have had no knowledge or dealing with the possible criminal conduct of CDR, (b) he may have appointed and trusted some smuck that was criminal, and now we later find out that said person both betrayed the public trust and that of Richardson, or (c) that we may find Richardson is up to his eyeballs in either dubious or criminal behavior.

In terms of possibility 2, nothing is in evidence yet to clarify anything.

3. As this grand jury probe goes on, its focus will be to identify possible criminal behavior in CDR and who may have illegally conspired to aid and abet CDR. For all we know Cad may be up to his eyeballs in it, but anyone in New Mexico Government remain more natural suspects.

But bottom line, grand juries are in the crime investigation business, they are not in the clearing anyone of suspicion business, and this CDR investigation is likely to take a very long time.

And since team Obama has to hit the ground running with a conformable Sec of Commerce, Richardson is basically saying, I can't be confirmed quickly, until I am cleared, and since I can't be cleared quickly, choose someone else so the whole team can hit the ground running.

Beyong that, I read nothing else into it nor can logic support reading anything more into it.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang
Who is the other BHO "admin"?

Rahm? Duh.

What wrongdoing is he accused of?

Another BHO "admin" under a cloud?

Have you been living under a rock? Hello? Blago? BHO's Senate seat? Rahm's seat? Surely you can't be that naive...

Remember pay to play in Iraq. Halliburton, Exxon, Chevron, Cheney. Billions down the drain and thousands dead.

Hey look, it's the typical liberal troll duhversion....

sheese dude even liberals have issues with BarneyFife.............

Ok, but it still seems to be the typical liberal duhversion whenever there is a thread about BHO.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Farang
Who is the other BHO "admin"?

Rahm? Duh.

What wrongdoing is he accused of?

Another BHO "admin" under a cloud?

Have you been living under a rock? Hello? Blago? BHO's Senate seat? Rahm's seat? Surely you can't be that naive...

Remember pay to play in Iraq. Halliburton, Exxon, Chevron, Cheney. Billions down the drain and thousands dead.

Is it too early to start the uh muh buh buh buh but Bush! counter?