Nope, you don't "eliminate" the evidence by being behind a router, but it certainly gives you a plausible defense and creates reasonable doubt. Furhter, you can eliminate whatever evidence might exist by simply replacing the hard drive and properly shredding the contents of the previous one.
Brainonska511
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Sure they can. :roll: Let me tell you, if someone hits an open wifi hot spot with a spoofed mac address, the evidence is DAMN tough to find when the client's machine disconnects from the AP. Why? Because you'll have a hard time finding the client. So please quit with the scare tactics.
I know that, but it creates reasonable doubt, and without additional evidence (other than, hey it was this IP addy), it would make it very difficult to win the case. That's why the RIAA has dropped most of those cases quietly when they are challenged. They settle most, and go through with the ones where they have something more solid -- and they quietly drop the ones where they screw up.
Dude,if yall live in a dense enough area you can just use your neighbors since the majority of people who use the internet do not come to these forums or any similar ones and do not know anything about tech. They leave their networks open and a lot of people still use WEP which is easily broken.
If you want to prevent little "script kiddy hacker 133754uc3" from getting on your ******. Do not broadcast your network. You should also WPA encrypt it, change your router IP on your internal side, and macblock FTW. Instead of all this you can just get an 802.11A broadcast point. (Do they even make these anymore?)
Stealing is wrong. Often times after DLing something I really like I will buy it because, quality is ****** on these things. I support my artists most times by buying their records for as cheaply as possible and attending their concerts from time to time. A lot of people who enter the music industry without knowing anyone with prior knowldedge or consulting a lawyer, etc. sign ****** contracts so that they are not making ****** money anyway and which could possibly be a fixed amount made at the initial contract signing. Veterans know better than to sign ****** contracts. The real people making a bitch and keeping prices high are the executives who ned a new Bentley after killing a family of four going 100mph on perscription drugs after fvcking their Ukraine sex slave. Who else in their right mind would charge twenty dollars for the new "Processed Bologne BS music Following the same production pattern as the last hundred?" I do feel sorry for the college kid they underpay for w/e random job they do there bc he should be getting at least a minor cut in profits for the fabolous marketing job to make us buy a lot of this fvcking BS. So, he is probally getting a lower salary with the threat of being downsized to only be possibly replaced wtih an even more desperate college student or have the position completely eliminated because the exectives have to take a larger chunk of the Gross profits after they get done suing everyone and rising prices. SUMMARY: HATE THE EXECS
So, after all this incoherent thought which you probably did not read. Do not worry about it. DL your music and find your artist's address and send him a check for ten dollars. It is a lot more than what he/she makes in at least five records.
So much more the be said and revised but I can already feel your ADHD gnawing on me and I do not have the time or patience to go over this to make sure everything is coherent.
If you want to prevent little "script kiddy hacker 133754uc3" from getting on your ******. Do not broadcast your network. You should also WPA encrypt it, change your router IP on your internal side, and macblock FTW. Instead of all this you can just get an 802.11A broadcast point. (Do they even make these anymore?)
Stealing is wrong. Often times after DLing something I really like I will buy it because, quality is ****** on these things. I support my artists most times by buying their records for as cheaply as possible and attending their concerts from time to time. A lot of people who enter the music industry without knowing anyone with prior knowldedge or consulting a lawyer, etc. sign ****** contracts so that they are not making ****** money anyway and which could possibly be a fixed amount made at the initial contract signing. Veterans know better than to sign ****** contracts. The real people making a bitch and keeping prices high are the executives who ned a new Bentley after killing a family of four going 100mph on perscription drugs after fvcking their Ukraine sex slave. Who else in their right mind would charge twenty dollars for the new "Processed Bologne BS music Following the same production pattern as the last hundred?" I do feel sorry for the college kid they underpay for w/e random job they do there bc he should be getting at least a minor cut in profits for the fabolous marketing job to make us buy a lot of this fvcking BS. So, he is probally getting a lower salary with the threat of being downsized to only be possibly replaced wtih an even more desperate college student or have the position completely eliminated because the exectives have to take a larger chunk of the Gross profits after they get done suing everyone and rising prices. SUMMARY: HATE THE EXECS
So, after all this incoherent thought which you probably did not read. Do not worry about it. DL your music and find your artist's address and send him a check for ten dollars. It is a lot more than what he/she makes in at least five records.
So much more the be said and revised but I can already feel your ADHD gnawing on me and I do not have the time or patience to go over this to make sure everything is coherent.
You're taking an extreme example and using it as the norm.
Nobody was talking about going to a Wifi Spot and Spoofing a MAC address. They were talking about simply opening up your wireless router. With this scenario, it is very easy to find out which computers had what type of traffic if you know what you're doing.
The ISP is only giving out the IP address that was associated with a customer at a certain time. I'm sure they are not doing packet analysis. FBI yes, RIAA/MPAA, no. This is what the RIAA does, "hey this IP connected to me at this time pulling down a certain file." They then go to the ISP, "hey, who did this IP address belong to at this time?" ISP: "Here you go douche bag." As far as they know, there was one person (the person who has that IP). If you have an open wifi AP, you can bascially say, "I have an open AP. How do you know it was me?" You can also bring to court all the cases that the RIAA sued the wrong people. And this wasn't even anything elaborate. They sued someone that didn't even have a computer. There was also a case where they sued a dead person.
Which doesn't change what DaiShan said. If the MPAA/RIAA wanted to persue charges and turn it into a full-blown criminal case, you better believe that your computer is going to be subpoenaed and they will have done packet analysis. The evidence is still right there. That's the point DaiShan made, and the point you wrongly disputed.
You're right. I mistook his post meaning sharing from behind a router that wasn't yours (open AP). Yes there have been several people that have gone down for massive file sharing (TB servers), and yes, if they want you bad enough, they'll come after you. But in the RIAA/MPAA cases, they are VERY weak. That is why they falls apart so quickly and easily. The evidence is simply not there. I'm sure the wifi defense will work for 99.9999% of the cases brought up against people. But if you really want to be safe, you'd use an open AP.
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Yep, the mac address of the external facing interface, not the mac address of any clients behind the router.
If it doesn't give the mac behind the router, how does the router know which client to send it too? I understand this doesn't do the RIAA much good without access to the client to verify its mac, but its still traceable
My friend, that is the beauty of NAT and non-routable IP ranges...but mostly open APs.Originally posted by: Thorny
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Yep, the mac address of the external facing interface, not the mac address of any clients behind the router.
If it doesn't give the mac behind the router, how does the router know which client to send it too? I understand this doesn't do the RIAA much good without access to the client to verify its mac, but its still traceable
Let me clarify, if the IP address is going to YOUR router, that's all they have to trace it to. After that, your best bet is to mount a good defense.
according to the DMCA, there is no fair use clause on circumventing a copyright protection scheme. which is a PITA b/c I've had discs get damaged.
what about this sony rootkit. even if you clicked no, you still got the rootkit.
the only cds that I do buy are indie label, to support the artist. most artists are overpaid anyways. i mostly stream music these days though I will dload an occassional album. I usually find that I don't like them enough to buy.
what about this sony rootkit. even if you clicked no, you still got the rootkit.
the only cds that I do buy are indie label, to support the artist. most artists are overpaid anyways. i mostly stream music these days though I will dload an occassional album. I usually find that I don't like them enough to buy.
or you can just use other peoples open APs and not have to worry about it at all
yes I know its wrong but tbh I don't care there are 6 wide open networks in range of my AP. the way I see it is im just helping them use the bandwidth there paying for
yes I know its wrong but tbh I don't care there are 6 wide open networks in range of my AP. the way I see it is im just helping them use the bandwidth there paying for
Ha, dmcowen674 apparently decided not to admit to downloading music off the internet
We still love ya man!
Amused
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No, did I ever say it was? It's still not a valid exuse for theft.
No, did I ever say it was? It's still not a valid exuse for theft.
It's still not a valid exuse for theft.
All of this amounts to a valid reason to not buy their product. It does not validate theft.
Amused
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Actually, I make $70 an hour on the side removing spyware and viruses. And 90% of the time it's from people (their spoiled teenage kids, usually) trying to get music/movies/software for free.
And nope, I don't steal other people's intellectual property. I pay for movies, music and software.
I, unlike you obviously, recognize that theft is wrong, no matter who you're stealing from. If you can justify stealing from someone, I guarantee there is someone out there who can justify stealing from you.
Ethics and morality are not about being "righteous." They are about self protection and civilized society.
As I said, and they have no valid reason for their actions, so what's you point? Like I said, two wrongs don't make a right, it just makes you even.
halik
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that was my plan all along - just show them my open wifi AP. Good luck trying to prove that I was more likely sharing those songs.
In any case, stealing is by defintion a zero-sum activity. The economic impact on RIAA in case of me either downloading or not-downloading music is the same, so I have no issues with it.
In any case, stealing is by defintion a zero-sum activity. The economic impact on RIAA in case of me either downloading or not-downloading music is the same, so I have no issues with it.
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