RIAA hitting us hard, already 3-4 people got Subpoenas, just read

[Vic]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Vic
Remember 10 or so years ago when your geek friends told you that someday you'd be able to listen to any song you wanted to or any movie you wanted to at any time you wanted to? Having grown up in the '70s with AM radio and a 19" black and white TV with 4 channels (plus PBS), I had looked forward to that someday all my life. Well, "that someday" was 3 years ago, but some asshole business execs decided to make it illegal because they wouldn't be able to control it the way they wanted to.
Thank you, RIAA/MPAA :|

Just so you know, most of the movie industry has seen the writing on the wall. Looks like the MPAA wasn't able to hold it back as well as the RIAA did.

Well, that's good news. I just hope it's not too little too late. The problem is that they should have done it years ago before they built up all this hate against them and cultivated so many underground hackers.
Prior to Napster (which was mp3 only) and Kazaa, people would have snatched this up thinking it no different than a movie rental. Now though....

 

[HEMIFREAK]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Do you get a free pass if you were sharing Liza Mineli or DMB songs?

Nope. Just the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Yeah but they actually have songs worth listening too (unlike Liza and Dave) I guess the RIAA figure that the Gay audience is worth major bucks!

only Barbara Streisand songs
:wine:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Do you get a free pass if you were sharing Liza Mineli or DMB songs?

Nope. Just the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Yeah but they actually have songs worth listening too (unlike Liza and Dave)

Did you feel the breeze when the joke went right over your head?

I keep forgetting that Dave is the Jimi Hendrix of Rythym Guitar...Bwuhahahahaha

I think someone needs his diaper changed.

Who's that, your boyfriend?

 

[nycromes]

Actually there have been issues like this before, one of the major issues was when recordable cassette tapes were released to the public, the recording industry was outraged at the ability of people to get free music from the radio. The courts decided that because the music from the radio was of lesser quality that being able to record music from the radio should be legal. We all see that as a simple thing now, but back then it was a big deal. I think this too will blow over in time, the question is, what happens when the courts overturn one of the RIAA lawsuits? That will be interesting to see.

Now the problem is that digital music, such as mp3, is just that digital. Basically since it is the same quality then the RIAA feels that the old argument is invalid and thinks they can win. Some one needs to get Johnny Cochrane on this with the Chewbacca defence, I mean he did get OJ off the hook. That would work wonders I am sure!

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: nycromes
Actually there have been issues like this before, one of the major issues was when recordable cassette tapes were released to the public, the recording industry was outraged at the ability of people to get free music from the radio. The courts decided that because the music from the radio was of lesser quality that being able to record music from the radio should be legal. We all see that as a simple thing now, but back then it was a big deal. I think this too will blow over in time, the question is, what happens when the courts overturn one of the RIAA lawsuits? That will be interesting to see.

Now the problem is that digital music, such as mp3, is just that digital. Basically since it is the same quality then the RIAA feels that the old argument is invalid and thinks they can win. Some one needs to get Johnny Cochrane on this with the Chewbacca defence, I mean he did get OJ off the hook. That would work wonders I am sure!

But it's not the same quality. Compressed mp3s < Uncompressed CD Audio.

 

[yellowperil]

I hope in 5 years that home recording technology will continue to get better/cheaper, so that sites like mp3.com become the place to buy music. Artists wouldn't have to rely on record companies to record, produce, and distribute their music. And consumers can buy music directly from the artists instead of waves of middlemen.

 

[slackerinabox]

I don't get it.. I'm not a lawyer but isn't what the RIAA doing an invasion of ones privacy? I mean, if I stole say car and hid it in my garage, wouldn't a cop need a warrant to inspect my garage? Wouldn't the RIAA need some sort of legal documentation to see what's on your hard drive in your home? It just doesn't seem right..

 

[tcsenter]

Actually there have been issues like this before, one of the major issues was when recordable cassette tapes were released to the public, the recording industry was outraged at the ability of people to get free music from the radio. The courts decided that because the music from the radio was of lesser quality that being able to record music from the radio should be legal.

The courts have never and will never have the authority or power to decide what "should" or "should not be" legal in the United States, although I will agree they have pretended to have this authority from time to time. Had you said "constitutional", maybe, but "legal", no.

That would be the exclusive power of the legislature.

Better graduate from high school, check your facts again, and get back to us.

 

[Rogue]

freedomsbeat212,

Problem is, if you're sharing music, it's like parking the car in a garage with a glass door. The cop can plainly see it and identify that it's the stolen car, making seizure of it much easier.

 

[nakedfrog]

And now, some highly relevant lyrics...
NOFX - Dinosaurs Will Die

"Kick back watch it crumble
See the drowning, watch the fall
I feel just terrible about it
That's sarcasm, let it burn

I'm gonna make a toast when it falls apart
I'm gonna raise my glass above my heart
Then someone shouts "That's what they get!"

For all the years of hit and run
For all the piss broke bands on VH1
Where did all, their money go?
Don't we all know

Parasitic music industry
As it destroys itself
We'll show them how it's supposed to be

Music written from devotion
Not ambition, not for fame
Zero people are exploited
There are no tricks, up our sleeve

Gonna fight against the mass appeal
We're gonna kill the 7 record deal
Make records that have more than one good song
The dinosaurs will slowly die
And I do believe no one will cry
I'm just f**king glad I'm gonna be
There to watch the fall

Prehistoric music industry
Three feet in la brea tar
Extinction never felt so good

If you think anyone would feel badly
You are sadly, mistaken
The time has come for evolution
Fuck collusion, kill the five

Whatever happened to the handshake?
Whatever happened to deals no - one would break?
What happened to integrity?
It's still there it always was
For playing music just because
A million reason why
All dinosaurs will die
All dinosaurs will die
All dinosaurs will die"

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
I don't get it.. I'm not a lawyer but isn't what the RIAA doing an invasion of ones privacy? I mean, if I stole say car and hid it in my garage, wouldn't a cop need a warrant to inspect my garage? Wouldn't the RIAA need some sort of legal documentation to see what's on your hard drive in your home? It just doesn't seem right..

There's a provision in the DMCA that they're using to allow the information to be subpoenaed without a judge's signature. All it takes is a court clerk.

 

[slackerinabox]

OK guys, we're a bunch of tech-savvy geeks here.. Lets try to use our collective intelligence to think of a way to fvck them over.. I know we can.. I don't even share music (mac head without kazaa).. What they're doing is just wrong..

 

[nakedfrog]

I like the lien idea. Need more info though.

 

[N8Magic]

The RIAA can suck it as far as i'm concerned.

*waves from the other side of the border*

 

[isaacmacdonald]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Zebo
Everyone should fight the RIAA they will go bankrupt. It's not that hard to file motions and defend yourself even if your willing to put the time in. It will cost them big bucks too for each case. I don't wish this on anyone though.

File leins. I can't remember what kind specifically, but their is a lein you can file on property which is free to file, save the cost of postage and the paper to print the form on. There was an environmentalist who filed no less than 25,000 leins on a single company to protest its dumping policy. It took them about 5 minutes to get each lein reversed in court, but that's 5 minutes times 25,000, not to mention legal costs of the proceedings.

Someone who's law savvy should look this crap up.

woah. do you have to appear in court when they do?

 

[Rogue]

Technologically, it's probably easy to beat them at their own game. Something I realized one day is that when I VPN into my employer's network, my public IP address is the internally assigned IP address of my employer's network, at least as far as I can tell. Anyone else notice this?

 

[slackerinabox]

You know, if P2P trading is shut down I'm just going to have to go to the library to get the newest albums and rip them myself.. Or maybe the RIAA would shut down public libraries as well..

 

[yellowperil]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Actually there have been issues like this before, one of the major issues was when recordable cassette tapes were released to the public, the recording industry was outraged at the ability of people to get free music from the radio. The courts decided that because the music from the radio was of lesser quality that being able to record music from the radio should be legal.

The courts have never and will never have the authority or power to decide what "should" or "should not be" legal in the United States, although I will agree they have pretended to have this authority from time to time. Had you said "constitutional", maybe, but "legal", no.

That would be the exclusive power of the legislature.

Better graduate from high school, check your facts again, and get back to us.

Hmm, are you sure about this? Judges do have the power to interpret laws, and because of our common law system their decisions have binding power in their jurisdiction.

 

[isaacmacdonald]

ok, I'm very much into this lien idea... but what do you file it on? (ie: what property of the riaa can a private citizen file a lien against)

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
ok, I'm very much into this lien idea... but what do you file it on? (ie: what property of the riaa can a private citizen file a lien against)

Bump for this lien idea.. If we get the atot effect going I'm sure we could be a nasty little thorn in their sides..

 

[Rogue]

You're gonna perform a paper based Denial of Service attack on them in court. LOL. Funny when you think about it.

 

[Rogue]

Before anyone embarks on this little escapade, we should all make sure our houses are clean first, know what I mean?

 

[tcsenter]

Hmm, are you sure about this? Judges do have the power to interpret laws, and because of our common law system their decisions have binding power in their jurisdiction.

Judges interpret laws passed by the legislature, which is to say courts try to ascertain what the legislature intended the law to mean and how the legislature intended it to apply.

Courts do not determine public policy (activist courts excepted), that is the job of the legislature.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

All they can do is fine. They aren't even trying to help the Apple music store out and advertise for them or something. I think they should just charge however much it would cost to download from Apple or something similar to it. You know, this is on ly a short term solution. If people want to get music for free, they will find ways. Its like trying to take away a 5 year old's chocolate bar. Eventually, they are going to find a way to get it back, if not more, whether it be the next day or when they move away from home and live on their own.

 

[isaacmacdonald]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Hmm, are you sure about this? Judges do have the power to interpret laws, and because of our common law system their decisions have binding power in their jurisdiction.

Judges interpret laws the legislature passes, which is to say courts try to ascertain what the legislature intended the law to mean and how the legislature intended it to apply.

Courts do not determine public policy (activist courts excepted), that is the job of the legislature.

err.... yes. but then they also evaluate constitutionality. In some cases, it's just basic stuff, but in other cases, it's far more platonic than aristotilean interpretation. For example, the role that prevailing public opinion plays in cases like sodomy or the michigan admissions policy.

perhaps you can constructively redirect the condesension into figuring out how to file liens against the riaa???