That's not my problem. However, just because it is difficult that doesn't give them the right to start punishing people for illegal activities that they do not adequately provide proof for. This is not a civil matter. Stealing is a crime. Trust me, if they try too hard for too long they will be regulated.
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That's not my problem. However, just because it is difficult that doesn't give them the right to start punishing people for illegal activities that they do not adequately provide proof for. This is not a civil matter. Stealing is a crime. Trust me, if they try too hard for too long they will be regulated.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
The question is will the ISP's actually take the time and expense to collect that information, or will they simply accept what ever RIAA says? And even if the ISPs do collect that information will RIAA accept their decision or sue the ISPs when they don't agree, further costing the ISPs money, which will in turn make the ISP less likely to actually do any research themselves and just accept what ever RIAA says.
Actually this is a civil matter. This is not theft, this is IP infringement, which is a civil matter.
waggy
No Lifer
to a point they can. but again why should the ISP be doing the RIAA's job?
why should the RIAA have the ability (again with no proof) say that someone is uploading music and get the isp to shut down the service?
do you really think that once this is OK'd that teh riaa won't go after the isp if they refuse to shut someone down? not to mention as others said the conflict of interest for the isp.
Your premise here is flawed. You're assuming that just because the RIAA has said you have done something illegal - that you in fact have. If you are doing something illegal, then by all means remove the mechanism you have used to prepetuate the crimes - in this case the internet. But RIAA and the ISP have overlooked a major step - the actual trial in front of 12 of your peers.
Again, I don't trust the RIAA to do the reasonable thing and I don't trust the ISPs to prevent the RIAA from doing something unreasonable. The RIAA has shown us that they will do pretty much anything to stop piracy. Sending letters to ISPs is something which can be easily be done in an automated fashion and cost hardly any money. Again, there millions upon millions to monitor. You don't think mistakes will be made? Do you really think every individual case will be properly examined to ensure that a mistake is not made? Ya right. Then what? The ISPs just start lowering your speed without checking to see if the RIAA is correct? Ya, that's fair. What is to stop them from doing that?[/quote]
Robbery is a crime. According to our laws, no one deserves it and that's the way it should be.
frostedflakes
Diamond Member
I think burden of proof is much lower in civil court, though. That's why the RIAA has been able to win cases even with some pretty weak "evidence."
I know. 🙁
This is why I really look forward to net neutrality laws being defined so there isn't so much speculation and "gray" areas. That is the real problem here. The government needs to define this stuff and do so reasonably so organizations and businesses like the RIAA and ISPs are not able to attack people like out of control rabid dogs.
Turin39789
Lifer
How can you state they are not copyrighted and then ask who owns the copyright?
Why shouldnt they have the ability to target people stealing their property?
And I keep hearing this mantra about "no proof". Where did you get the idea the RIAA is going to start targetting random people?
ISP's make money from users. They arent in the business of shutting down legitimate users.
Again, I don't trust the RIAA to do the reasonable thing and I don't trust the ISPs to prevent the RIAA from doing something unreasonable. The RIAA has shown us that they will do pretty much anything to stop piracy. Sending letters to ISPs is something which can be easily be done in an automated fashion and cost hardly any money. Again, there millions upon millions to monitor. You don't think mistakes will be made? Do you really think every individual case will be properly examined to ensure that a mistake is not made? Ya right. Then what? The ISPs just start lowering your speed without checking to see if the RIAA is correct? Ya, that's fair. What is to stop them from doing that?[/quote]
Why do you keep thinking the ISP's cant or wont verify the RIAA claims?
The irony in this post is epic.
Oh yeah? Paint me a scenario where somebody downloads and uploads songs legally. If they arent paying for services like iTunes, Rhapsody ect ect.
Secondly this isnt a criminal case. This is civil matter between three parties. There doesnt have to be a benefit of the doubt proof provided. That said I would still expect the ISP to verify the RIAA claims. Something an ISP can easily do before cutting somebody off. The ISP gains nothing by cutting off random users that arent sharing illegal songs.
It is not about targeting random users. No one is saying that and that is not the point anyways. The point is that there are tons of flaws in the system with no detailed laws in place. They have been taking advantage of these undefined gray areas to win their lawsuits for years and now they are avoiding that entire process altogether in hopes to streamline it while providing even less proof if any at all. I mean, who is going to stop them? Who is regulating and making sure they do not drastically abuse their power?
It's coming. It will not be long till the government starts regulating and/or net neutrality laws get put into place that prohibits the RIAA and ISPs from doing practically whatever they want.
Turin39789
Lifer
I'm sure the RIAA can find ways to make the ISP's bottom line drop more if they don't cooperate. A user gone and a headache resolved may still be a positive.
waggy
No Lifer
easy. my wife loves music and many of her friends do to. they all played in band all through highschool and college. there have been many times when she will recieve or send music they have done to each other.
nto to mention RIAA has sued people WITHOUT computers, DEAD people etc. so yeah they arent a company i would take without good proof.
Actually the isp does gain something by cutting off people. For years they have advertised unlimited use and they are trying to impose limits on that. many people are hitting it (legally) with games, utube etc.
this gives them a way to cut them off
Not true. If that were the case then they wouldn't be trying to throttle people's bandwidth now. That causes people to want to switch ISPs. They want to lower the speeds of people that use a lot of bandwidth regardless of whether or not the activity is legal and regardless of whether or not enough proof was provided. They want to do that because they want to retain the users who do not use as much bandwidth but complain about the tubes being clogged. As you said, the cash is the bottom line.
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