RIAA: Black Friday RIAA Protest & Boycott organization starting here - Keep tuned

[Ornery]

"I am advocating CONSUMER RIGHTS."

You NEVER elaborated on this in the whole topic. WTF are you talking about anyway? Your right to buy CDs at a price you set, or what?

Edit: If you're refering to Fair Use, I don't think it's the manufacturer's responsibliity to make it easy for you to make backups. Apparently, the courts agree.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"I am advocating CONSUMER RIGHTS."

You NEVER elaborated on this in the whole topic. WTF are you talking about anyway? Your right to buy CDs at a price you set, or what?

Let's get to basics . . .do you know what "consumer rights" mean?

 

[Ornery]

If you're refering to Fair Use, I don't think it's the manufacturer's responsibliity to make it easy for you to make backups. Apparently, the courts agree.

BMG has got you covered.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ornery
If you're refering to Fair Use, I don't think it's the manufacturer's responsibliity to make it easy for you to make backups. Apparently, the courts agree.

BMG has got you covered.

I'll try AGAIN . . . as you have an inability to answer a direct question.

Let's get to basics . . .do you know what "consumer rights" mean?

 

[Ornery]

Consumers' rights are protected by federal and state laws and regulations covering many services...

Regarding this topic, 'Fair Use' is the only logical answer!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Consumers' rights are protected by federal and state laws and regulations covering many services...

Regarding this topic, 'Fair Use' is the only logical answer!

Since you continue to dance around my direct question I will NOT answer yours.

And I am heading out anyway . . . the people who are sick of being spit on by mega business are with me on this protest/boycott and I don't care about the asleep ones . . .
(or annoying RIAA supporting whiners like you)

Aloha

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: apoppin

I'll try AGAIN . . . as you have an inability to answer a direct question.

Let's get to basics . . .do you know what "consumer rights" mean?

The irony is, he asked you a direct question, and you answered it with a question. So yeah... why don't you answer his direct question?

 

[Ornery]

He proves himself a complete fvcktard over and over mugsywwiii, don't worry about it.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: apoppin

I'll try AGAIN . . . as you have an inability to answer a direct question.

Let's get to basics . . .do you know what "consumer rights" mean?

The irony is, he asked you a direct question, and you answered it with a question. So yeah... why don't you answer his direct question?

Did you happen to notice that not a single person answered my basic question (that I posed twice.) So, I'll ask again: Seriously, let's get to the bottom of this... What SPECIFICALLY is your problem with all of this? And how do you suggest the RIAA (and other IP holders) protect its interests?


Oh by the way... A one day protest will accomplish absolutely zero. The RIAA doesn't look at day to day sales on the retail level. They look at quarterly/monthly shipments, which aren't affected by a single days sales, in the least.

If everyone in the entire world were to not buy a cd for one day, not even the retailers would notice. Let's say that one Target store sells 100 cd's on that particular Friday, and they end up selling zero. They probably wouldn't even notice the fact that they were ~$1500 less gross, let alone where that difference came from.

But by the time the financial quarter or season was over, it would all balance out anyway.


(Me wonders if this was the same group of brainiacs that came up with the single day gas boycott last year.

)

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Screw presenting "both sides"

But you never know how to beat someone unless you can see how they are thinking.

You seem to think that the RIAA is bringing suits to get money. I would bet everything I own that the cost of research to find her IP, the cost of lawers far exceeded the 2K.

They are trying to stop people from distributung their works without permission.

They are not infringing on ANYONES rights.

If they are please explain it to me.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Did you happen to notice that not a single person answered my basic question (that I posed twice.) So, I'll ask again: Seriously, let's get to the bottom of this... What SPECIFICALLY is your problem with all of this? And how do you suggest the RIAA (and other IP holders) protect its interests?

Hey man I agree with you there, I was referring to poppin fresh's comments. I mean, a recording industry association's gotta do what a recording industry association's gotta do. They piss and moan when software companies try to protect their interests as well - that might hit a little closer to home for some people here, because some of us are developers.

Oh by the way... A one day protest will accomplish absolutely zero. The RIAA doesn't look at day to day sales on the retail level. They look at quarterly/monthly shipments, which aren't affected by a single days sales, in the least.

Yeah, I think it's mostly symbolic. Most of the people who said they support it also said they don't buy CDs anyway. Someone might want to tell the RIAA about this protest so they can have a good laugh about it. I mean, no offense guys, I know you're all revolutionaries fighting for our freedom, but it is kind of funny.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Oh by the way... A one day protest will accomplish absolutely zero. The RIAA doesn't look at day to day sales on the retail level. They look at quarterly/monthly shipments, which aren't affected by a single days sales in the least.

Yeah, I think it's mostly symbolic...

How symbolic can it be if nobody notices?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Oh by the way... A one day protest will accomplish absolutely zero. The RIAA doesn't look at day to day sales on the retail level. They look at quarterly/monthly shipments, which aren't affected by a single days sales in the least.

Yeah, I think it's mostly symbolic...

How symbolic can it be if nobody notices?

Yeah, that's why I said they should tell the RIAA they're boycotting them that day. Symbolic or not though, it won't accomplish anything. All a one-day boycott does is say "we're going to keep buying your product, but we're stopping for one day because we're mad at you." Whoopidy doo.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Oh by the way... A one day protest will accomplish absolutely zero. The RIAA doesn't look at day to day sales on the retail level. They look at quarterly/monthly shipments, which aren't affected by a single days sales in the least.

Yeah, I think it's mostly symbolic...

How symbolic can it be if nobody notices?

Yeah, that's why I said they should tell the RIAA they're boycotting them that day. Symbolic or not though, it won't accomplish anything. All a one-day boycott does is say "we're going to keep buying your product, but we're stopping for one day because we're mad at you." Whoopidy doo.

And like you said... The only people who are interested in this "boycott" are the people who download music. It's not like they'd be buying cd's on that particular day anyway!

I'll tell you what... I'll join in this charade. But I'll go one step further...

I HEREBY PROMISE NOT TO BUY ANY MUSIC ON ANY FRIDAY BETWEEN NOW AND CHRISTMAS!!!

(Mwahahaha... We have the RIAA right where we want them! :| )

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Oh by the way... A one day protest will accomplish absolutely zero. The RIAA doesn't look at day to day sales on the retail level. They look at quarterly/monthly shipments, which aren't affected by a single days sales in the least.

Yeah, I think it's mostly symbolic...

How symbolic can it be if nobody notices?

Yeah, that's why I said they should tell the RIAA they're boycotting them that day. Symbolic or not though, it won't accomplish anything. All a one-day boycott does is say "we're going to keep buying your product, but we're stopping for one day because we're mad at you." Whoopidy doo.

And like you said... The only people who are interested in this "boycott" are the people who download music. It's not like they'd be buying cd's on that particular day anyway!

I'll tell you what... I'll join in this charade. But I'll go one step further...

I HEREBY PROMISE NOT TO BUY ANY MUSIC ON ANY FRIDAY BETWEEN NOW AND CHRISTMAS!!!

(Mwahahaha... We have the RIAA right where we want them! :| )

Heh. Honestly, I probably won't buy any CDs on Black Friday either... lines are too stinking long. I hate Christmas shopping. And if I was going to buy a CD, I'd buy it on a Tuesday. Hey there's an idea, why don't you all boycott the RIAA on a Tuesday? That way I can counter-protest by buying a CD.

 

[dmcowen674]

Good arguments and posts people. Could be over in P&N but this thread is needed for the organization of the People's Protest on Friday Nov 28th.

Of all the previous posting back and forth y'all danced around the fact that it is the people that have been taken out of the "Represented Loop" by the Private Corporations and the Politicians it is very apparent they now own.

A couple of folks in here did in fact zero in on that and I applaud you.

The others, obviously if they had lived in Germany this time last Century, would blindingly follow the commands of one very dangerous individual I am sure we would all not like for History to repeat.

Therefore to sum up, the Protest has very little (almost nothing) to do with the RIAA/MPAA etc, it is the bigger picture at hand, those that truly see the perverbial Forest through the Trees.

History shows that neither the German citizenry nor the world saw the Train Wreck about to happen to the German people and the World during their time. It sure is apparent now as the History channel shows over and over and school children learn about it in class just as generations from now will be learning about this Train Wreck that is about to happen and it the origination point this time is the United States.


Note: Of course talking Apples and Oranges here (to not compare the cost of human life) but the principle is the same.

 

[Ornery]

...the principle is the same.

GET A GRIP!

Way to trivialize the cause of an entire World War!

Many Civic Groups and Lawyers are flooded withe calls today, the onslaught on American Citizens by a Private Third Party Corporation using Federal Powers begins. A sad day indeed.

9-8-2003 RIAA Declares D-Day

Record Industry Sues Music File Swappers

The recording industry filed hundreds of lawsuits Monday against individual music lovers, accusing them of illegally downloading and sharing songs over the Internet

The industry in recent weeks also has served subpoenas on at least 10 universities in an effort to identify individual file-swappers.

"...the onslaught on American Citizens by a Private Third Party Corporation using Federal Powers begins..."

Some of us citizens call that bringing the full weight of the law to bear on offenders. We've been on the other end of criminal activity and LOVE seeing justice meted out!


"The recording industry filed hundreds of lawsuits Monday against individual music lovers, accusing them of illegally downloading and sharing songs over the Internet"

The bastards!

Are you trying to justify the actions of these 'music lovers'?


"The industry in recent weeks also has served subpoenas on at least 10 universities in an effort to identify individual file-swappers."

The bastards!

Are you saying you want these actions protected? You fancy yourself a member of the underground railway, harboring Jews from the Nazis?

 

[vi edit]

If everyone in the entire world were to not buy a cd for one day, not even the retailers would notice. Let's say that one Target store sells 100 cd's on that particular Friday, and they end up selling zero. They probably wouldn't even notice the fact that they were ~$1500 less gross, let alone where that difference came from.

To play devils advocate here...at one store, no that wouldn't make a difference. But take that times the several hundred Target's across the US and it adds up quickly. $1500 * 300 = $450,000. I don't care how significant one store is, a corporation is going to raise an eyebrow when they bring in close to half a million less than they normally do. Everything in these chains is itemized, and they have flags running on sales of categories. When something falls GREATLY below norms, a flag goes up and they dig in and see what's up. It would be noticed.
The thing is though, I doubt the average target sells anywhere near 100 CD's in a day, so numbers don't mean much.

 

[Ornery]

What a hoot! Everybody will just time shift their purchase, so there will be no loss what so ever. For example, if you were planning on buying a CD on that day, you might put the purchase off for 24 hrs to show solidarity with the revolutionaries/underground railroad. On the other hand, people like me, who purchase a few CDs as gifts for the holidays, will make a special effort to purchase all of them on that particular day!

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Ornery
What a hoot! Everybody will just time shift their purchase, so there will be no loss what so ever. For example, if you were planning on buying a CD on that day, you might put the purchase off for 24 hrs to show solidarity with the revolutionaries/underground railroad. On the other hand, people like me, who purchase a few CDs as gifts for the holidays, will make a special effort to purchase all of them on that particular day!

I agree with you. A handful of pissed off net nerds who never would have purchased anyway is not going to make a difference. Besides, a lot of us don't even shop any more on black friday. I avoid it like the plague. As do many others. And the ones that do shop probably couldn't even tell you what the RIAA or P2P even is.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ornery
...the principle is the same.

GET A GRIP!

Way to trivialize the cause of an entire World War!

Many Civic Groups and Lawyers are flooded withe calls today, the onslaught on American Citizens by a Private Third Party Corporation using Federal Powers begins. A sad day indeed.

9-8-2003 RIAA Declares D-Day

Record Industry Sues Music File Swappers

The recording industry filed hundreds of lawsuits Monday against individual music lovers, accusing them of illegally downloading and sharing songs over the Internet

The industry in recent weeks also has served subpoenas on at least 10 universities in an effort to identify individual file-swappers.

"...the onslaught on American Citizens by a Private Third Party Corporation using Federal Powers begins..."

Some of us citizens call that bringing the full weight of the law to bear on offenders. We've been on the other end of criminal activity and LOVE seeing justice meted out!


"The recording industry filed hundreds of lawsuits Monday against individual music lovers, accusing them of illegally downloading and sharing songs over the Internet"

The bastards!

Are you trying to justify the actions of these 'music lovers'?


"The industry in recent weeks also has served subpoenas on at least 10 universities in an effort to identify individual file-swappers."

The bastards!

Are you saying you want these actions protected? You fancy yourself a member of the underground railway, harboring Jews from the Nazis?

Please try and pay some attention to the posts and details people are writing about this.

No one including me is justifying what anyone would construe as criminal activity. This is a clash of Technology, Law, and Liberty on an Era scale.

"Are you saying you want these actions protected?"

If you were paying attention at all, those that understand what is at stake that it has NOTHING to do with the above MP3 file swapping nonsense.

It is the Evolutional right of humankind to progress forward. This is an attack on innovation as well as rights.

"You fancy yourself a member of the underground railway, harboring Jews from the Nazis?"

Is this what it will take to happen before you wake up? So sad.




You may be OK with going back to Stone Age or Dinosaur times or even living in a Hitler type regime but most people are not. Wonder if you are Ashcroft or an RIAA exec or a Politicain that has been bought out. Which is it?

 

[Wingznut]

dmcowen674... I'm confused. What EXACTLY are you wanting to protest? What EXACTLY is the RIAA doing, that you don't approve of? And what EXACTLY would you suggest the RIAA (and other IP holders) do to protect its interests? What EXACTLY is "an attack on innovation as well as rights"?

Everyone keeps talking in these broad, general terms... But if you do believe that people shouldn't break the law and download files illegally, then you must believe that the RIAA does have the right to protect itself... So, what are we really talking about?

(No, I'm not trying to start an argument... I really don't understand what this is all about, if it's not about downloading files illegally.)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ornery
He proves himself a complete fvcktard over and over mugsywwiii, don't worry about it.

But not a complete idiot like yourself (0over and over, post after profane idiotic post.

Again, BOth Sides - let ornery try to support his RIAA buddies with his spew of name-calling and illogic.

I am suggesting the Boycott to people who already hate the RIAA's tactics and UNDERSTAND what they are doing to American freedom. You "others" are so LOST anyway in "geekdumb".

I'm sorry Wingz, but you also don't understand MS' Palladium. OPEN your mind.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
dmcowen674... I'm confused. What EXACTLY are you wanting to protest? What EXACTLY is the RIAA doing, that you don't approve of? And what EXACTLY would you suggest the RIAA (and other IP holders) do to protect its interests? What EXACTLY is "an attack on innovation as well as rights"?

Everyone keeps talking in these broad, general terms... But if you do believe that people shouldn't break the law and download files illegally, then you must believe that the RIAA does have the right to protect itself... So, what are we really talking about?

(No, I'm not trying to start an argument... I really don't understand what this is all about, if it's not about downloading files illegally.)

I'm gonna take a couple stabs here...

1. They don't like prices of CD's
2. They don't like the profit distribution of the music industry
3. They feel that the punishments for music theft are too harsh
4. They don't like the recent "cripling" of music CD's that are being done to try and prevent piracy
5. They feel that the distribution of method of music is antiquated

Am I close? Is there anything I missed out on?

 

[apoppin]

A one day boycott won't accomplish anything?

Well, you are forgetting the RIAA' stated purpose is to cause FEAR with these lawsuits - not make money from them.

A 1-day boycott will PROVE to the RIAA that we CAN organize and we can return the favor with the "fear thing".