RIAA: Black Friday RIAA Protest & Boycott organization starting here - Keep tuned

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I'm not doing ANYTHING, but laughing at the 'art' thieves whining about their fate. Oh, and their lame one day protest... what a hoot!

They're the ones responsible for the evil Megabusiness going ballistic. Place the blame where it really belongs. Some of us enjoy seeing crooks get slapped... HARD!

As usual you have no clue but are quite pleased to give your opinion over and over.

Feel free to laugh all you want - it is as hollow as your empty reasoning.

The boycott will (evidently) go on without you unless you are idiot enough to go out with a placard and support your favorite evil empire on Black Friday.

 

[Ornery]

Sorry, can't bring myself to support your thieving friends. They're the cause of your troubles, go bitch at them. They'll be right beside you... protesting... for a day...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Sorry, can't bring myself to support your thieving friends. They're the cause of your troubles, go bitch at them. They'll be right beside you... protesting... for a day...

You can't seem to do anything but bitch (period)

feel free to support your new best thieving friends - the RIAA and their lawyers and crooked politicians.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ornery
Sorry, can't bring myself to support your thieving friends. They're the cause of your troubles, go bitch at them. They'll be right beside you... protesting... for a day...

You can't seem to do anything but bitch (period)

feel free to support your new best thieving friends - the RIAA and their lawyers and crooked politicians.

LOL, Ornery buy a CD?? He's the cheapest person you will ever meet. He still wears Bell Bottom Jeans he had in the 60's because he's to cheap to go buy a pair of straight Legs and I bet he still has his 8 track mounted in his car so he can listen to Tapes he bought at the Flea market 30 years ago!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ornery
Sorry, can't bring myself to support your thieving friends. They're the cause of your troubles, go bitch at them. They'll be right beside you... protesting... for a day...

You can't seem to do anything but bitch (period)

feel free to support your new best thieving friends - the RIAA and their lawyers and crooked politicians.

LOL, Ornery buy a CD?? He's the cheapest person you will ever meet. He still wears Bell Bottom Jeans he had in the 60's because he's to cheap to go buy a pair of straight Legs and I bet he still has his 8 track mounted in his car so he can listen to Tapes he bought at the Flea market 30 years ago!

Thanks for the *confirmation* of what I already pictured. . . I was referring to Ornery's moral support for his theiving friends.

Some of us have "principles" we care to defend even if our opposing viewpoint is not perfect.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ornery
Sorry, can't bring myself to support your thieving friends. They're the cause of your troubles, go bitch at them. They'll be right beside you... protesting... for a day...

You can't seem to do anything but bitch (period)

feel free to support your new best thieving friends - the RIAA and their lawyers and crooked politicians.

LOL, Ornery buy a CD?? He's the cheapest person you will ever meet. He still wears Bell Bottom Jeans he had in the 60's because he's to cheap to go buy a pair of straight Legs and I bet he still has his 8 track mounted in his car so he can listen to Tapes he bought at the Flea market 30 years ago!

Thanks for the *confirmation* of what I already pictured. . . I was referring to Ornery's moral support for his theiving friends.

Some of us have "principles" we care to defend even if our opposing viewpoint is not perfect.

Well while you and I might not agree with Ornery I will say that he is true to his principles (even if that means he's a tightwad) But even if he is the biggest skinflint this side of Uriah Heep, he doesn't use that as an excuse to download copyrighted material so at least you have to give him kudos for that!

 

[Ornery]

The RIAA is doing everything legally, like it or not. Your lame little protest ain't going to do a damn thing to stop this juggernaut. Only showing your representatives viable alternatives will have a snowball's chance of getting anywhere.

And, though you'd like to ignore the fact, it is blatant thievery that caused this whole mess.

Edit: Uh, sorry Red, but I've downloaded plenty of MP3s. Copied prerecorded VHS tapes too! That's thievery, and I know it! If I get caught, I ain't going to blame the RIAA for being heavy handed, though. They have every right to go after people. Problem is, I feel like a chump paying for music that everybody and their brother is getting for free. I've purchased several CDs over the past year, and downloaded a handful of MP3s. Truth is, I've NEVER shoplifted or stolen any other thing in my life, but got caught up in the video/music copying thievery. Pathetic, but true.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Ornery
The RIAA is doing everything legally, like it or not. Your lame little protest ain't going to do a damn thing to stop this juggernaut. Only showing your representatives viable alternatives will have a snowball's chance of getting anywhere.

And, though you'd like to ignore the fact, it is blatant thievery that caused this whole mess.

You really think the the RIAA is going to be able to curb Copyright theft with their actions? In your opinion the means justify the ends? Their tactics will not improve their bottom line, it will only cause our freedoms to erode. I'm not talking about freedom to steal, I'm talking about the right to our privacy. In the end they will have to embrace the technology they are so stubbornly resisting or they will suffer continued economic losses.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Ornery
The RIAA is doing everything legally, like it or not. Your lame little protest ain't going to do a damn thing to stop this juggernaut. Only showing your representatives viable alternatives will have a snowball's chance of getting anywhere.

And, though you'd like to ignore the fact, it is blatant thievery that caused this whole mess.

Edit: Uh, sorry Red, but I've downloaded plenty of MP3s. Copied prerecorded VHS tapes too! That's thievery, and I know it! If I get caught, I ain't going to blame the RIAA for being heavy handed, though. They have every right to go after people. Problem is, I feel like a chump paying for music that everybody and their brother is getting for free. I've purchased several CDs over the past year, and downloaded a handful of MP3s. Truth is, I've NEVER shoplifted or stolen any other thing in my life, but got caught up in the video/music copying thievery. Pathetic, but true.

Even Robin Hood admitted he was a theif and broke the law.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Ornery
The RIAA is doing everything legally, like it or not. Your lame little protest ain't going to do a damn thing to stop this juggernaut. Only showing your representatives viable alternatives will have a snowball's chance of getting anywhere.

And, though you'd like to ignore the fact, it is blatant thievery that caused this whole mess.

Edit: Uh, sorry Red, but I've downloaded plenty of MP3s. Copied prerecorded VHS tapes too! That's thievery, and I know it! If I get caught, I ain't going to blame the RIAA for being heavy handed, though. They have every right to go after people. Problem is, I feel like a chump paying for music that everybody and their brother is getting for free. I've purchased several CDs over the past year, and downloaded a handful of MP3s. Truth is, I've NEVER shoplifted or stolen any other thing in my life, but got caught up in the video/music copying thievery. Pathetic, but true.

Even Robin Hood admitted he was a theif and broke the law.

With a name like Robbin' Hood", you think?

:Q



Glad to hear Ornery has "principles" . . . then it's his reasoning I am attacking.

And his argument is SO so So weak . . .

 

[Ornery]

Hah! Wish this was as noble as Robin Hood's fable. No excuse for stealing.

There can be solutions found that will satisfy both sides. I don't think the people who insist on having free music will be content with any solution, though. They should be taken out of the argument.

Here's an example.

 

[Red Dawn]

If the RIAA would just embrace this technology and buy out the P2P Sites and implement a fair price for downloading singles (especially single tracks)and albums they would improve their bottom line and their PR.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If the RIAA would just embrace this technology and buy out the P2P Sites and implement a fair price for downloading singles (especially single tracks)and albums they would improve their bottom line and their PR.

Memo to Apple: make an iTunes for Windows.

- M4H

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Wingznut
I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that many, many people download music illegally...

What do you suggest the RIAA do to protect their interests?

I don't care what the RIAA does to protect itself OTHER than what it is doing now.

Originally posted by: apoppin
You can't seem to do anything but bitch (period)

I have a very hard time giving your opinion much respect. You bitch about the RIAA, but you have no better suggestion for them. You seem to want them to just bend over and take it.

Oh yeah, and then you have the gall to accuse someone else about only bitching.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
You seem to want them to just bend over and take it.

It would be nice for the corporations to play catcher for once. :Q

- M4H

 

[Ornery]

Catcher for once? Christ, as soon as a company is seen as having "deep pockets" the litigation vultures come swooping down. The employees are automatically entitled to everything under the sun, and a lifetime of guaranteed employment to boot.

I still don't see how these guys are perceived as the instigators of this war. Just because folks don't like the price of fuel, doesn't give people the right to pilfer it! If it's a given they have a right to protect their product, how else should they proceed? No doubt some people would like to drag out the process for several more years, but if nothing else, suing 12 year old girls has lit a fire under everybody's ass.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If the RIAA would just embrace this technology and buy out the P2P Sites and implement a fair price for downloading singles (especially single tracks)and albums they would improve their bottom line and their PR.

Memo to Apple: make an iTunes for Windows.

a. Aren't they working on that?
b. Buymusic.com not good enough? It's more restrictive than iTunes, but it is an option.

But should people go to federal prison (not jail, there's a big difference) for a felony of copying one song (not to mention the $250000 fine)? You're telling me that you think that punishment is ok? Would you still think that's ok when you see how it compares to the punishment and/or fine for stealing a $15 item from a store (shoplifting)?

a. You go to federal prison because it is a federal crime. Would you prefer that each state had its own copyright laws?
b. The penalties are meant as a deterrent. You obviously know the penalties. If you know the penalties and feel that it is still worth it to continue copying - well, you're an idiot. Do you realize that vandalizing a mailbox is punishable by 3 years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine as well? Why are you not worried about that one? Probably because, like me, you will never destroy a mailbox.

You're right though, the punishment for stealing a $15 item from a store is relatively small. But in that case you stole one album for your own use. With Kazaa, people are making their entire music collections available for millions of people to potentially copy. Yeah, there's a difference.

What the RIAA is doing is in DIRECT RESPONSE to widespread piracy. You are blaming the RIAA, but they are being FORCED to take these actions by the pirates themselves.

Edit: Obviously it would depend on the state, but the penalty for grand larceny (stealing more than $1000 worth of stuff) in South Carolina is 5 years in prison. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who have more than $1000 worth of music on their computer. In fact, I know there are, there was a poll about it on ATOT. So yeah, the penalty IS comparable to shoplifting when you compare on the same scale. Remember the penalty you're talking about for copyright violation is a MAXIMUM penalty - the actual penalty is at the judge's discretion. I doubt there is a judge out there who would put you in jail for a small violation. Besides which, the RIAA is using CIVIL law, not criminal law to combat copyright infringement. They are not having these people charged with crimes, they are suing them. And if the past is any indication, they will settle with them for FAR less than the maximum damages they could be awarded in court.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Wingznut
I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that many, many people download music illegally...

What do you suggest the RIAA do to protect their interests?

I don't care what the RIAA does to protect itself OTHER than what it is doing now.

Originally posted by: apoppin
You can't seem to do anything but bitch (period)

I have a very hard time giving your opinion much respect. You bitch about the RIAA, but you have no better suggestion for them. You seem to want them to just bend over and take it.

Oh yeah, and then you have the gall to accuse someone else about only bitching.

You're the one with too much gall . . . coupled with OVERsimplistic "reasoning".

What you "moralists" seem to forget is that: Corporations and Businesses are held toa HIGHER STANDARD than individual consumers.

What the RIAA is doing is unnecesary OVERkill and affects - unnecesarily - the FREEDOM of all of us. Extreme measures are not needed fo fix their problems.

Or is this still too difficult for you to comprehend?

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: apoppin
You're the one with too much gall . . . coupled with OVERsimplistic "reasoning".

What you "moralists" seem to forget is that: Corporations and Businesses are held toa HIGHER STANDARD than individual consumers.

What the RIAA is doing is unnecesary OVERkill and affects - unnecesarily - the FREEDOM of all of us. Extreme measures are not needed fo fix their problems.

Or is this still too difficult for you to comprehend?

Overkill... No. It's called punative damages, and the purpose is to deter other transgressions. If the fine were $15, nobody would give a rat's @ss. And I don't see how this affects the average citizen's freedom. I'd like to hear why people have this opinion, because I don't understand how this affects the LAW ABIDING person.

Seriously, let's get to the bottom of this... What SPECIFICALLY is your problem with all of this? And how do you suggest the RIAA (and other IP holders) protect its interests?

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: apoppin
You're the one with too much gall . . . coupled with OVERsimplistic "reasoning".
explain to me how my reasoning is to simple.
What you "moralists" seem to forget is that: Corporations and Businesses are held toa HIGHER STANDARD than individual consumers.

by higher standards you mean they should allow people to steal from them? in what way should not the consumer also be held to that high standard? And how is protecting your assests a higher standard?
What the RIAA is doing is unnecesary OVERkill and affects - unnecesarily - the FREEDOM of all of us. Extreme measures are not needed fo fix their problems.
How many people who were not sharing copywrited works have the RIAA sued? How does a 12 YO girl who was sharing over 1000 copyrighed works getting sued affect my freedom.

Or is this still too difficult for you to comprehend?

The problem with your arguements is that you fail to see both sides of the battle. You see an orginization protecting the assests of their members with great vigor and you are afraid that they may go after others. You feel that the punishment doesn't fit the crime yet who should determain the punishment? I know I shouldn't because I might be harsher.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: apoppin
You're the one with too much gall . . . coupled with OVERsimplistic "reasoning".

What you "moralists" seem to forget is that: Corporations and Businesses are held toa HIGHER STANDARD than individual consumers.

What the RIAA is doing is unnecesary OVERkill and affects - unnecesarily - the FREEDOM of all of us. Extreme measures are not needed fo fix their problems.

Or is this still too difficult for you to comprehend?

Overkill... No. It's called punative damages, and the purpose is to deter other transgressions. If the fine were $15, nobody would give a rat's @ss. And I don't see how this affects the average citizen's freedom. I'd like to hear why people have this opinion, because I don't understand how this affects the LAW ABIDING person.

Seriously, let's get to the bottom of this... What SPECIFICALLY is your problem with all of this? And how do you suggest the RIAA (and other IP holders) protect its interests?

By suffering the consequences of their refusal to embrace technology and dying the same death as the Dinosaurs before them.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: apoppin
You're the one with too much gall . . . coupled with OVERsimplistic "reasoning".

What you "moralists" seem to forget is that: Corporations and Businesses are held toa HIGHER STANDARD than individual consumers.

What the RIAA is doing is unnecesary OVERkill and affects - unnecesarily - the FREEDOM of all of us. Extreme measures are not needed fo fix their problems.

Or is this still too difficult for you to comprehend?

Overkill... No. It's called punative damages, and the purpose is to deter other transgressions. If the fine were $15, nobody would give a rat's @ss. And I don't see how this affects the average citizen's freedom. I'd like to hear why people have this opinion, because I don't understand how this affects the LAW ABIDING person.

Seriously, let's get to the bottom of this... What SPECIFICALLY is your problem with all of this? And how do you suggest the RIAA (and other IP holders) protect its interests?

By suffering the consequences of their refusal to embrace technology and dying the same death as the Dinosaurs before them.

Sorry Red it is a double edge sword. If they embrace P2P technology they no longer will CONTROL how their IP is used. What would stop me or you from using a LEGAL P2P to download LEGAL music and then sharing it with an illegal P2P?

That would involve them putting restricition on how the nusic is used which people don't want. Like it or not it is their RIGHT to determain how the works they own are distributed. If you don't like it then you should NOT USE THEIR PRODUCT. Just because you don't like they way they choose to distribute does not give anyone the right to steal.

 

[RaiseUp]

It's getting hard not to buy Cd's now because several of my favorite artists Cd's are 10 bucks.

 

Catcher for once? Christ, as soon as a company is seen as having "deep pockets" the litigation vultures come swooping down. The employees are automatically entitled to everything under the sun, and a lifetime of guaranteed employment to boot.

Remember the day when corporations didn't set standards? When they actaully had less power and influence than individuals? There was a time when corporate charters were carfully watched and enforced.
Overbearing corporations and govt. control is why we left Britain is the first place no?

IP and fair use are touchy grey areas. They will be solved by who has the most money to lobby.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: apoppin
You're the one with too much gall . . . coupled with OVERsimplistic "reasoning".
explain to me how my reasoning is to simple.
What you "moralists" seem to forget is that: Corporations and Businesses are held toa HIGHER STANDARD than individual consumers.[/b]

by higher standards you mean they should allow people to steal from them? in what way should not the consumer also be held to that high standard? And how is protecting your assests a higher standard?
What the RIAA is doing is unnecesary OVERkill and affects - unnecesarily - the FREEDOM of all of us. Extreme measures are not needed fo fix their problems.
How many people who were not sharing copywrited works have the RIAA sued? How does a 12 YO girl who was sharing over 1000 copyrighed works getting sued affect my freedom.

Or is this still too difficult for you to comprehend?

The problem with your arguements is that you fail to see both sides of the battle. You see an orginization protecting the assests of their members with great vigor and you are afraid that they may go after others. You feel that the punishment doesn't fit the crime yet who should determain the punishment? I know I shouldn't because I might be harsher.

Your "problem" is your inability to read and comprehend.

Screw presenting "both sides"; The RIAA has high piced lawyers to give their "side" (over and over again).

I am advocating CONSUMER RIGHTS. Our rights. The ordinary people whose rights are being curently infringed on and soon to be TRAMPLED on.

AGAIN, I don't care what you do - you can join with supporting your RIAA buddies with a contra-demonstration for all I care.

This is a wake-up call for America