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[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"You should be ashamed of yourselves."

Exactly. The unethical behavior isn't coming from the RIAA..

Me? Ashamed of myself for what? My desire to have privacy, that the RIAA not be able to invade my computer on a whim (with new technology they're proposing in the CBDTPA)? My desire that they be under the rule of law, just like the rest of us? You're very ignorant if you think people here are all in this because they want to infringe (yes, note that it's "infringe" - not "steal") to get free music. Most (hopefully all) of us - including myself - do not participate in p2p networks to trade illegal files (note that using p2p to trade legal material is ok, despite what the RIAA would have you to believe), but have other reasons behind our intense dislike for the RIAA's UNETHICAL tactics.

It's been said before, and I'll say it again: "Two wrongs don't make a right" (that works both ways).

 

[Lyfer]

Phuck the RIAA.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Staples
I find these things funny. People complain that the RIAA doesn't have a right to be mad that you are stealing from them. How bought you give me a few dollars since no one has a right to be mad for getting money stolen from them.

We are not talking about stealing - which is wrong.

However, two wrongs don't make a right. The METHODS the RIAA are using are fascist, UNdemocratic, BYpass privacy and fair-use laws, use politicians to erode our freedoms all because they are TOO LAZY TO CHANGE THEIR UNFAIR AND OUTDATED BUSINESS MODEL.

They NEED to be taken down a notch and used an an EXAMPLE to other MEGA business that FORGETS that WE THE PEOPLE are the reason they EXIST at all.

"Are we the people / Some kind of monster?" - Metallica

Too lazy to change their unfair and outdated business model? I don't see what you mean by unfair, but it only became "outdated" when people started stealing their music on an enormous scale. Justify it any way you want, but you're trying to stand up for your "right" to violate a person's copyright.

Idiots.

 

[Jetblade]

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Staples
I find these things funny. People complain that the RIAA doesn't have a right to be mad that you are stealing from them. How bought you give me a few dollars since no one has a right to be mad for getting money stolen from them.

We are not talking about stealing - which is wrong.

However, two wrongs don't make a right. The METHODS the RIAA are using are fascist, UNdemocratic, BYpass privacy and fair-use laws, use politicians to erode our freedoms all because they are TOO LAZY TO CHANGE THEIR UNFAIR AND OUTDATED BUSINESS MODEL.

They NEED to be taken down a notch and used an an EXAMPLE to other MEGA business that FORGETS that WE THE PEOPLE are the reason they EXIST at all.

"Are we the people / Some kind of monster?" - Metallica

Too lazy to change their unfair and outdated business model? I don't see what you mean by unfair, but it only became "outdated" when people started stealing their music on an enormous scale. Justify it any way you want, but you're trying to stand up for your "right" to violate a person's copyright.

Idiots.

People are being raped for there money and don't even know it.

Sad.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Jetblade

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"You should be ashamed of yourselves."

Exactly. The unethical behavior isn't coming from the RIAA..

So its ok to overcharge for a product? Or at LEAST give the consumer more options to spend there hard earned money wisely by giving samples or for the consumers to buy what THEY WANT and not ADDED GARBAGE?

Go take some economics classes, then get back to us.

The facts are very simple here, people have been stealing & they're getting their hands slapped.

Viper GTS

 

[Jetblade]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Jetblade

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"You should be ashamed of yourselves."

Exactly. The unethical behavior isn't coming from the RIAA..

So its ok to overcharge for a product? Or at LEAST give the consumer more options to spend there hard earned money wisely by giving samples or for the consumers to buy what THEY WANT and not ADDED GARBAGE?

Go take some economics classes, then get back to us.

The facts are very simple here, people have been stealing & they're getting their hands slapped.

Viper GTS

So, you're telling me that a Movie that costs millions of dollars to make only costs $19.99 to own while music which offers 1 or 2 good songs and a bunch of garbage costs roughly $15.99?

I don't need to go to any economics class to figure this one out.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Jetblade

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Staples
I find these things funny. People complain that the RIAA doesn't have a right to be mad that you are stealing from them. How bought you give me a few dollars since no one has a right to be mad for getting money stolen from them.

We are not talking about stealing - which is wrong.

However, two wrongs don't make a right. The METHODS the RIAA are using are fascist, UNdemocratic, BYpass privacy and fair-use laws, use politicians to erode our freedoms all because they are TOO LAZY TO CHANGE THEIR UNFAIR AND OUTDATED BUSINESS MODEL.

They NEED to be taken down a notch and used an an EXAMPLE to other MEGA business that FORGETS that WE THE PEOPLE are the reason they EXIST at all.

"Are we the people / Some kind of monster?" - Metallica

Too lazy to change their unfair and outdated business model? I don't see what you mean by unfair, but it only became "outdated" when people started stealing their music on an enormous scale. Justify it any way you want, but you're trying to stand up for your "right" to violate a person's copyright.

Idiots.

People are being raped for there money and don't even know it.

Sad.

See what ViperGTS said.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Jetblade
So, you're telling me that a Movie that costs millions of dollars to make only costs $19.99 to own while music which offers 1 or 2 good songs and a bunch of garbage costs roughly $15.99?

I don't need to go to any economics class to figure this one out.

You just made it painfully obvious that ViperGTS is correct... You need to take an economics class.

 

[Jetblade]

How bout ya give me a lesson? I'm listening.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Jetblade
How bout ya give me a lesson? I'm listening.

Here's a start for you:

It is impossible to overcharge in a free market, people will either buy a product at a given price or they won't.

Viper GTS

 

[Jetblade]

Heh, so in other words. They f*#& us now we are f*&#$!@ them. haha.

For many of us die-hard music fans. Its kind of hard to not buy good music when we hear it. So they haven't really givin us much choose.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Jetblade
Heh, so in other words. They f*#& us now we are f*&#$!@ them. haha.

For many of us die-hard music fans. Its kind of hard to not buy good music when we hear it. So they haven't really givin us much choose.

So what you're saying is:

"I like music, but I spend my money on other things & can't afford to buy it. Therefore, I have no choice but to steal it."

Viper GTS

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Go take some economics classes, then get back to us.

The facts are very simple here, people have been stealing & they're getting their hands slapped.

Viper GTS

People have been infringing (some, or possibly many not even knowing that what they're doing is wrong), and they're getting royally screwed with some huge lawsuits. I don't call that "getting their hands slapped", but whatever...

If you think that is light punishment, I'm sure you'd like to see the new legislation that would make sharing a single song a felony punishable by hard time plus much higher fines.

 

[Kelemvor]

Someone should just create some free board at EZBOard or something and publish that site around the internet so people can go and organize something in one place...

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: jliechty

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Go take some economics classes, then get back to us.

The facts are very simple here, people have been stealing & they're getting their hands slapped.

Viper GTS

People have been infringing (some, or possibly many not even knowing that what they're doing is wrong), and they're getting royally screwed with some huge lawsuits. I don't call that "getting their hands slapped", but whatever...

If you think that is light punishment, I'm sure you'd like to see the new legislation that would make sharing a single song a felony punishable by hard time plus much higher fines.

So, you don't have a problem with the fact that the RIAA wants to take action against people stealing their property... You just think that the penalties are too high?

(Btw, ignorance of the law is not justifiable.)

 

[Jetblade]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Jetblade
Heh, so in other words. They f*#& us now we are f*&#$!@ them. haha.

For many of us die-hard music fans. Its kind of hard to not buy good music when we hear it. So they haven't really givin us much choose.

So what you're saying is:

"I like music, but I spend my money on other things & can't afford to buy it. Therefore, I have no choice but to steal it."

Viper GTS

Uh....not even close.

I'm saying i've bought many cds for many years, but up until now I've had no choice to put up or shut up. Now that there is an easier, cheaper and more convient way to purchase music the RIAA should adapt or else.

 

[vi edit]

People have been infringing (some, or possibly many not even knowing that what they're doing is wrong), and they're getting royally screwed with some huge lawsuits. I don't call that "getting their hands slapped", but whatever...

Oh horsesh!t. Anybody born within the last 20 years knows that making copies of cd's/tapes/movies/ and sharing them with others is illegal. It says it right on the cd itself. Same goes for taking/accepting copied music. Don't pawn this off as ignorance. It's just that people are finally starting to get busted for it.

Everyone knows that speeding is illegal, but many do 5-10 over because they know they can get away with it. This is what file sharing is like on the internet. Everyone knows it's illegal, but in the past very few people were getting busted for it.

Well guess what. Now they are. And the RIAA is going to make examples out of it and scare the crap out of the non-diehards that fileshare.

And it's working.

 

[Ranger X]

You can count me in. Regardless of whether I download MP3s or not, I would not agree on the tactics the RIAA is using to get back at the people. I hope the boycott hits them hard!

BTW, can we get a sticky on this thread?

 

[metalmania]

Umm, I always buy used CD from half.com, and only buy metal from Europe.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Oh horsesh!t. Anybody born within the last 20 years knows that making copies of cd's/tapes/movies/ and sharing them with others is illegal. It says it right on the cd itself. Same goes for taking/accepting copied music. Don't pawn this off as ignorance. It's just that people are finally starting to get busted for it.

Maybe in your enlightened circle of friends, this is common knowledge, but a vast majority of the people I know do not know that using Kazaa to trade songs that are commonly traded on Kazaa is illegal (they might know now, if this stuff has been in the news much, but since I only frequent tech news sites, I wouldn't know what's been on TV recently).

And yes, I know that ignorance isn't an excuse. I'm not quite as stupid as you'd like to imagine. :|

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: jliechty

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Oh horsesh!t. Anybody born within the last 20 years knows that making copies of cd's/tapes/movies/ and sharing them with others is illegal. It says it right on the cd itself. Same goes for taking/accepting copied music. Don't pawn this off as ignorance. It's just that people are finally starting to get busted for it.

Maybe in your enlightened circle of friends, this is common knowledge, but a vast majority of the people I know do not know that using Kazaa to trade songs that are commonly traded on Kazaa is illegal (they might know now, if this stuff has been in the news much, but since I only frequent tech news sites, I wouldn't know what's been on TV recently).

And yes, I know that ignorance isn't an excuse. I'm not quite as stupid as you'd like to imagine. :|

I'm going to have to agree with vi in the implication that people are dumbasses for not knowing. "Bootlegging" was the term before "warezing" or "burning".

:music: Don't Copy that Floppy! :music:

(Edit - And in addition, this is also a "Shameless Bump" and "Waiting for the Next Step" post.)

- M4H

 

[vi edit]

Maybe in your enlightened circle of friends,

Enlightened circle of friends? Pfffffffffffffft!!!!!!! My 46 year old father who doesn't even know how to turn on a computer could tell you taking music you haven't bought is illegal. If you would even take a few minutes to read the TOA on during the installation of a sharing app (or even the splash screens of most burning software) I think it even tells you that downloading(or burning) copyrighted material is illegal.

Enlightened my ass! If you truely are that daft, please proptly slam your testicles in sliding patio door and prevent yourself from procreating your idiocy.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: jliechty
And yes, I know that ignorance isn't an excuse. I'm not quite as stupid as you'd like to imagine. :|

Not for even a second, did I think you were stupid.

I just think you are just searching for some reason... ANY reason.

 

[isaacmacdonald]

Originally posted by: Jetblade

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Jetblade

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"You should be ashamed of yourselves."

Exactly. The unethical behavior isn't coming from the RIAA..

So its ok to overcharge for a product? Or at LEAST give the consumer more options to spend there hard earned money wisely by giving samples or for the consumers to buy what THEY WANT and not ADDED GARBAGE?

Go take some economics classes, then get back to us.

The facts are very simple here, people have been stealing & they're getting their hands slapped.

Viper GTS

So, you're telling me that a Movie that costs millions of dollars to make only costs $19.99 to own while music which offers 1 or 2 good songs and a bunch of garbage costs roughly $15.99?

I don't need to go to any economics class to figure this one out.

Interesting point, but movies are vastly different animals (as informed by consumption frequency).

Nonetheless, "the facts are simple" is a fairly stupid argument to make. Just because something is presently legal, doesn't make it ethical or even functional in a competitive sense. Pragmatism is required here not platonic interpretation of "law". I would wager, people primarilly download songs illegally because the alternative is cumbersome, time consuming, and the price most likely exceeds the utility provided by the product. The RIAA wants to frighten people into getting back into the business model that the RIAA prefers. I wouldn't argue that the RIAA is behaving unethically by sueing, but their current pricing scheme is questionable, and I doubt that massive strikes against the general public will really boost their record sales back into the record breaking numbers of the late nineties.

PS.. is there some kind of problem with riaa threads or what? Why did my thread about the 12 year old being sued by the RIAA get locked... hmmmm ahh, NM-

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: jliechty
And yes, I know that ignorance isn't an excuse. I'm not quite as stupid as you'd like to imagine. :|

Not for even a second, did I think you were stupid.

I just think you are just searching for some reason... ANY reason.

One reason I dislike the RIAA involves their attempt to take away rights of privacy, presuming all to be guilty until proven innocent. They are also attempting to impose excessive fines, which IMHO are a little over the top considering the offense.

I do agree that it is their right to go after those who infringe upon their IP (IOW, I think sharing their stuff on Kazaa or any other network is illegal), and I do not think that their out-of-line actions are a free pass for everyone to infringe upon their material. Nevertheless, I am refraining from purchasing (or downloading) their products, and am advising others to do the same, based on (among other things) their actions as described in the aforementioned links.