"Revolution" declared in Iraq by al-Sadr

[Miramonti]

(wash. post, subscript.)

BAGHDAD, Aug. 5 -- Rebel cleric Moqtada Sadr declared a "revolution" against U.S.-led security forces in Iraq on Thursday after a fragile month-long truce in the holy city of Najaf ended with clashes that brought down a U.S. helicopter.

Sadr's Mahdi Army militia claimed control of four southern communities, including Basra, Iraq's second largest city. Iraqi officials denied the claim. There was no independent confirmation.

Sadr's call for an uprising is his first significant test of Iraq's new interim government since it took office on June 28 and signals the end to the delicate peace that had settled over Iraq's long-oppressed Shiite majority in the south.

"This is a revolution against the occupation force until we get independence and democracy," Sadr's spokesman, Ahmed Shaybani said in a telephone interview.

The U.S. military and Iraqi police said the fighting began when suspected members of the Mahdi Army attacked a police station overnight.

"If they want it to be war, let it be," said Ghalib Hashim Jazaeri, Najaf's police chief. "We have enough men and equipment to defeat them."

 

[dmcowen674]

Scary, sounds like this guy reads this Forum :shocked:

 

[viivo]

Originally posted by: jjsole
"This is a revolution against the occupation force until we get independence and democracy."

I know they aren't the most informed or rational crowd, but I see only one way to accomplish this, and they've yet to stumble upon it.

Vietnam? No, but it's not close to being over either.

 

[Miramonti]

Sadr may not be interested in being involved in politics in Iraq, but then again, by the time he's finished it may not be called Iraq anymore.

 

[syzygy]

oh, they should just crush that cockroach. they should have done so early
on. sistani is the prime marja. his word is first and last on all things shia.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Maybe we can find another Pinochet or Saddam to run the country for us.

 

[MoFunk]

"This is a revolution against the occupation force until we get independence and democracy," Sadr's spokesman, Ahmed Shaybani said in a telephone interview.

Would someone spell out to this dumba@@ that democracy is what they have been given! And when you do explain it to him, please do it really really slow so he can catch it. 😉

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: MoFunk

"This is a revolution against the occupation force until we get independence and democracy," Sadr's spokesman, Ahmed Shaybani said in a telephone interview.

Would someone spell out to this dumba@@ that democracy is what they have been given! And when you do explain it to him, please do it really really slow so he can catch it. 😉

I wouldn't call having another country appoint your leader as democratic. And to add insult to injury, who write laws that you didn't agree to.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I thought we turned the corner . . .

 

[MoFunk]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: MoFunk

"This is a revolution against the occupation force until we get independence and democracy," Sadr's spokesman, Ahmed Shaybani said in a telephone interview.

Would someone spell out to this dumba@@ that democracy is what they have been given! And when you do explain it to him, please do it really really slow so he can catch it. 😉

I wouldn't call having another country appoint your leader as democratic. And to add insult to injury, who write laws that you didn't agree to.

interim. Until they have their own election.

How funny would that be to see in the coming years, lrft wing and right wing Iraqies calling eacother names on a discussion board! LMAO

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: MoFunk

"This is a revolution against the occupation force until we get independence and democracy," Sadr's spokesman, Ahmed Shaybani said in a telephone interview.

Would someone spell out to this dumba@@ that democracy is what they have been given! And when you do explain it to him, please do it really really slow so he can catch it. 😉

I wouldn't call having another country appoint your leader as democratic. And to add insult to injury, who write laws that you didn't agree to.

First off, you need an interim government. That's how rebuilding countries always works. First you set up an interim government and then you let elections proceed. You can't just have a bunch of people that nobody knows and have almost no experience running.

And on the second part of your comment...I don't recall agreeing to the Patriot Act or 100s of others of laws that have been passed but we still have to abide by them don't we?

 

[renierh]

Originally posted by: MoFunk

"This is a revolution against the occupation force until we get independence and democracy," Sadr's spokesman, Ahmed Shaybani said in a telephone interview.

Would someone spell out to this dumba@@ that democracy is what they have been given!

Funny, i haven't seen an Iraqi election yet. how have they been given democracy then?

i agree that they're probably better of in a humanitarian way, but all they see is that they switched from a LOCAL dictator that captured and tortured them, to a FOREIGN dictator that captures and tortures them.

i know it's hard to look at it from that angle, but from the position of a iraqi citizen, it's not a strange point of view.

 

[tnitsuj]

This probably isn't a crisis. I believe Al Sadr has called for a return to the truce.

 

[MoFunk]

Originally posted by: renierh

Originally posted by: MoFunk

"This is a revolution against the occupation force until we get independence and democracy," Sadr's spokesman, Ahmed Shaybani said in a telephone interview.

Would someone spell out to this dumba@@ that democracy is what they have been given!

Funny, i haven't seen an Iraqi election yet. how have they been given democracy then?

i agree that they're probably better of in a humanitarian way, but all they see is that they switched from a LOCAL dictator that captured and tortured them, to a FOREIGN dictator that captures and tortures them.

i know it's hard to look at it from that angle, but from the position of a iraqi citizen, it's not a strange point of view.

All good things to those that wait.....

And torture? HA

i know it's hard to look at it from that angle, but from the position of a iraqi citizen, it's not a strange point of view

I know that the major media outlets show that 24/7, and that is what liberal America wants to believe, but that is not really how they feel, come on you know it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: MoFunk

Originally posted by: renierh

Originally posted by: MoFunk

"This is a revolution against the occupation force until we get independence and democracy," Sadr's spokesman, Ahmed Shaybani said in a telephone interview.

Would someone spell out to this dumba@@ that democracy is what they have been given!

Funny, i haven't seen an Iraqi election yet. how have they been given democracy then?

i agree that they're probably better of in a humanitarian way, but all they see is that they switched from a LOCAL dictator that captured and tortured them, to a FOREIGN dictator that captures and tortures them.

i know it's hard to look at it from that angle, but from the position of a iraqi citizen, it's not a strange point of view.

All good things to those that wait.....

And torture? HA

i know it's hard to look at it from that angle, but from the position of a iraqi citizen, it's not a strange point of view

I know that the major media outlets show that 24/7, and that is what liberal America wants to believe, but that is not really how they feel, come on you know it.

I'm sure that a lot do but I'm willing to concede that a lot don't !

 

[Todd33]

Oh ya, the infamous, yet non-existant liberal media. Hannity, Scarborough, O'Liely, Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter, FNN, etc.

 

[MoFunk]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Oh ya, the infamous, yet non-existant liberal media. Hannity, Scarborough, O'Liely, Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter, FNN, etc.

Right, non-existant. OK. :disgust:

 

[Acanthus]

over 300 militants killed in the last 2 days

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: MoFunk

"This is a revolution against the occupation force until we get independence and democracy," Sadr's spokesman, Ahmed Shaybani said in a telephone interview.

Would someone spell out to this dumba@@ that democracy is what they have been given! And when you do explain it to him, please do it really really slow so he can catch it. 😉

Well, they don't feel that they have independence, and would you with over 140k foreign troops in your country? Granted, those troops are necessary to keep Iraq from falling into anarchy. I'm not defending this guy, but in his eyes, and in the eyes of many Iraqi's, the country will not be independent until we leave.

This seems logical or am I wrong?

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: MoFunk

Originally posted by: Todd33
Oh ya, the infamous, yet non-existant liberal media. Hannity, Scarborough, O'Liely, Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter, FNN, etc.

Right, non-existant. OK. :disgust:

These days, I think the conservative media has a stronger effect than the liberal media. Also, the liberal bias in the media isn't as obvious as the bias present in Talk Radio, Fox News.

Declaring that liberal media doesn't exist is foolish, but countering that with denial of a strong conservative presence is just as idiotic.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: MoFunk

"This is a revolution against the occupation force until we get independence and democracy," Sadr's spokesman, Ahmed Shaybani said in a telephone interview.

Would someone spell out to this dumba@@ that democracy is what they have been given! And when you do explain it to him, please do it really really slow so he can catch it. 😉

Well, they don't feel that they have independence, and would you with over 140k foreign troops in your country? Granted, those troops are necessary to keep Iraq from falling into anarchy. I'm not defending this guy, but in his eyes, and in the eyes of many Iraqi's, the country will not be independent until we leave.

This seems logical or am I wrong?

Well instead of fighting them and the intern Government he should work with them to make Iraq stable enough to hold free elections and to become the democratic state he wants. Imagine if he used his power ti fight the other insurgents and Al Qaeda instead of the Iraqi Government and the American troops. If he did he would make the change over much smoother and quicker!

 

[Genx87]

Gee, what a surprise. We beat his militia into the dirt and he cries for a truce. After a couple of months of recruiting and rearming he is back and causing the trouble.

Why havent we either

A. Arrested this guy for the crimes he has comitted.
B. Simply killed him.

This is like Arafat and Isreal. Who cares if he is a martyr. He cant cause much problems being a martyr.

 

[kage69]

Bye bye al Sadr!

 

[MoFunk]

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: MoFunk

Originally posted by: Todd33
Oh ya, the infamous, yet non-existant liberal media. Hannity, Scarborough, O'Liely, Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter, FNN, etc.

Right, non-existant. OK. :disgust:

These days, I think the conservative media has a stronger effect than the liberal media. Also, the liberal bias in the media isn't as obvious as the bias present in Talk Radio, Fox News.

Declaring that liberal media doesn't exist is foolish, but countering that with denial of a strong conservative presence is just as idiotic.

I do not deny a strong conservative presence. I am just tired of hearing that there is no such thing as liberal media. In my opinion, you have to tune into conservative media, you have to know where to get it, seek it out, and tune in. It is not thrown at you from all angles. Take all the people you know, and how many of them use the local ABC, CBS or NBC news as their primary source of news. Or the local newspaper. I know MANY MANY people who are liberal because that is the only source of news. But I also feel that the reason conservative radio is getting so big, and people on the other side feel there is such bias, is becasue the people are showing that they AGREE with what is being said. I do a lot of reading online, I listen to talk radio and I watch the news. I look at all angles, I am not a tunnel vision type of guy. I do not ALWAYS agree with the conservative view, but I lean towards that thinking more often the not!

In my younger days, I was very liberal. I was a registered Democrat. But as I got older, I started leaning more right and am now a registered independent. So in my opinion, I got wise. LOL

 

[onelove]

"kill or not kill" 🙂

I have heard (from biased sources and not based on my own research or reading) that Islamic tradition sets some time limit on the time you are allowed to make a truce with an infidel on islamic land. Anybody out there with more knowledge than me comment on this? If true, it would seem this guy or somebody el;se is going to feel compelled to keep coming back for more...