Revolt on the Right

[Fern]

Where were these people for the last eight years?

Jeebus, I'm getting tird of seeing this myth spun so hard by the left.

Fiscal conservatives have been complaining for years, ultimately resulting in lack of support for Repub candidates in 2006 election - 3 years ago.

Anyway, throughout the GWB years most people were occupied with Iraq & Afganistan and related issues (FISA, Patriot Act etc). There's only so many things that rise to the top of list of peoples' concerns. Then of course, a lot of the deficit talk was tied directly to the war(s)

Otherwise the whole premise is BS because eveyone (but extreme partisan hacks) knows and admits the huge bailouts begining in 2008 and still continuing today is what is motivating such an uproar.

FFS, the American people are accustomed to some level of deficit spending. We've had few years (2 since 1968) WITHOUT a deficit according to this CBO Chart. (See the 3rd column, IMO any SSA surplus shouldn't offset (regular) budget deficits.) Even so, the fact that the budget defict has grown so rapidly to the trillion dollar level so fast, with nothing but more big spending proposals in sight, has people in the streets. The idea that if people didn't complain loudly about $X deficits they can't complain about one 300% or 400% higher is absurd.

Besides, Pelosi & Co set themselves up for this by campaigning on deficits in 2006, instead of lowering it's exploded.

Fern

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Fern

Where were these people for the last eight years?

Jeebus, I'm getting tird of seeing this myth spun so hard by the left.

Fiscal conservatives have been complaining for years, ultimately resulting in lack of support for Repub candidates in 2006 election - 3 years ago.

Anyway, throughout the GWB years most people were occupied with Iraq & Afganistan and related issues (FISA, Patriot Act etc). There's only so many things that rise to the top of list of peoples' concerns. Then of course, a lot of the deficit talk was tied directly to the war(s)

Otherwise the whole premise is BS because eveyone (but extreme partisan hacks) knows and admits the huge bailouts begining in 2008 and still continuing today is what is motivating such an uproar.

FFS, the American people are accustomed to some level of deficit spending. We've had few years (2 since 1968) WITHOUT a deficit according to this CBO Chart. (See the 3rd column, IMO any SSA surplus shouldn't offset (regular) budget deficits.) Even so, the fact that the budget defict has grown so rapidly to the trillion dollar level so fast, with nothing but more big spending proposals in sight, has people in the streets. The idea that if people didn't complain loudly about $X deficits they can't complain about one 300% or 400% higher is absurd.

Besides, Pelosi & Co set themselves up for this by campaigning on deficits in 2006, instead of lowering it's exploded.

Fern

Shhh... the libs here can't handle the facts so they will continue to spout their lie that Conservatives didn't say a thing for 8 years.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Shhh... the libs here can't handle the facts so they will continue to spout their lie that Conservatives didn't say a thing for 8 years.

lol...you.

fucking neocon.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Fern

Where were these people for the last eight years?

Jeebus, I'm getting tired of seeing this myth spun so hard by the left.

Fern

Yeah, mostly a myth, being spun out of a grain of truth.

And that's a large part of the problem. I had plenty of excellent arguments with other conservatives (and moderates) these last 8 years over Bush policies and conservatism in general. But take those discussions into the open with the "opposition," and it turns stupid very quickly. A grain of truth turns into incredible spin by the leftwing ideologues and partisans as they use 1% of your words to create an image of their own making, designed to empower their own agenda. So in many instances conservatives don't air their disagreements so openly.

Just like now. There is a grain of truth that the Right -admittedly- could have been more openly critical, yet they've spun their own reality that paints the Right as nothing but liars and hypocrites for being "suddenly" concerned over things. Right.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Vic

Where were these people for the last eight years?

Conspicuously absent, which is why no one takes them seriously now.

They were sleeping comfortably in their beds, knowing that GWB was taking care of them. Oh but now, all two of them who were complaining about GWB's big government clusterfuck are trying to tell us how much they complained. Yeah, they even marched on Washington DC. It was a two-man tea party and they were both CCW. Bonus!

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Fern

Where were these people for the last eight years?

Jeebus, I'm getting tird of seeing this myth spun so hard by the left.

Fiscal conservatives have been complaining for years, ultimately resulting in lack of support for Repub candidates in 2006 election - 3 years ago.

Anyway, throughout the GWB years most people were occupied with Iraq & Afganistan and related issues (FISA, Patriot Act etc). There's only so many things that rise to the top of list of peoples' concerns. Then of course, a lot of the deficit talk was tied directly to the war(s)

Otherwise the whole premise is BS because eveyone (but extreme partisan hacks) knows and admits the huge bailouts begining in 2008 and still continuing today is what is motivating such an uproar.

FFS, the American people are accustomed to some level of deficit spending. We've had few years (2 since 1968) WITHOUT a deficit according to this CBO Chart. (See the 3rd column, IMO any SSA surplus shouldn't offset (regular) budget deficits.) Even so, the fact that the budget defict has grown so rapidly to the trillion dollar level so fast, with nothing but more big spending proposals in sight, has people in the streets. The idea that if people didn't complain loudly about $X deficits they can't complain about one 300% or 400% higher is absurd.

Besides, Pelosi & Co set themselves up for this by campaigning on deficits in 2006, instead of lowering it's exploded.

Fern

Shhh... the libs here can't handle the facts so they will continue to spout their lie that Conservatives didn't say a thing for 8 years.

8 years...GOP was hijacked. "Real Conservatives" did nothing about it.

so sad...GOP is still hijacked.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Fern

Where were these people for the last eight years?

Jeebus, I'm getting tird of seeing this myth spun so hard by the left.

Fiscal conservatives have been complaining for years, ultimately resulting in lack of support for Repub candidates in 2006 election - 3 years ago.

Anyway, throughout the GWB years most people were occupied with Iraq & Afganistan and related issues (FISA, Patriot Act etc). There's only so many things that rise to the top of list of peoples' concerns. Then of course, a lot of the deficit talk was tied directly to the war(s)

Otherwise the whole premise is BS because eveyone (but extreme partisan hacks) knows and admits the huge bailouts begining in 2008 and still continuing today is what is motivating such an uproar.

FFS, the American people are accustomed to some level of deficit spending. We've had few years (2 since 1968) WITHOUT a deficit according to this CBO Chart. (See the 3rd column, IMO any SSA surplus shouldn't offset (regular) budget deficits.) Even so, the fact that the budget defict has grown so rapidly to the trillion dollar level so fast, with nothing but more big spending proposals in sight, has people in the streets. The idea that if people didn't complain loudly about $X deficits they can't complain about one 300% or 400% higher is absurd.

Besides, Pelosi & Co set themselves up for this by campaigning on deficits in 2006, instead of lowering it's exploded.

Fern

Shhh... the libs here can't handle the facts so they will continue to spout their lie that Conservatives didn't say a thing for 8 years.

8 years...GOP was hijacked. "Real Conservatives" did nothing about it.

so sad...GOP is still hijacked.

lol. Yeah, we did "nothing"... only a clueless/blind partisan would say nothing was done.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Shhh... the libs here can't handle the facts so they will continue to spout their lie that Conservatives didn't say a thing for 8 years.

lol...you.

fucking neocon.

Do you even know what a neocon is? Silly libs...

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


lol. Yeah, we did "nothing"... only a clueless/blind partisan would say nothing was done.

lol!

you said "we" like YOU represent "conservatives" or "moderates"

LOL!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


lol. Yeah, we did "nothing"... only a clueless/blind partisan would say nothing was done.

lol!

you said "we" like YOU represent "conservatives" or "moderates"

LOL!

lol, I am solidly Conservative. I never said I "represent" them. However, since I am one of them I did what I could within the party structure to try to change things. That ended over a year ago when the party showed it was going to forgo Conservatism and become a Dem-lite party not only in action but in stance.

My sig link shows I'm not the only one who's left the party establishment and plan to do something about it. But keep up with the BS if you wish...

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


lol. Yeah, we did "nothing"... only a clueless/blind partisan would say nothing was done.

lol!

you said "we" like YOU represent "conservatives" or "moderates"

LOL!

lol, I am solidly Conservative. I never said I "represent" them. However, since I am one of them I did what I could within the party structure to try to change things. That ended over a year ago when the party showed it was going to forgo Conservatism and become a Dem-lite party not only in action but in stance.

My sig link shows I'm not the only one who's left the party establishment and plan to do something about it. But keep up with the BS if you wish...

You and Sarah Palin are making a difference, right? :laugh:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Honestly, drifting left is the ONLY thing that will get me to vote republican again. Hell, the ONLY reason I voted republican to begin with was for fiscal conservativism...and look where that got us, double the national debt...yeah, Bush was a great president. :roll:

I don't give a shit about abortion (actually, I support it), I don't give a shit about stem cell research, I don't give a shit about the whole "right to life" agenda, and I sure as shit don't care about religion.

I want a responsible government that doesn't represent corporations and big money. I want a government that doesn't saddle our country with massive debt. I want a government that regulates industry and doesn't allow corruption.

Basically, I'm fucked...I'm sure as hell not voting along party lines, and I'm sure as hell not following the conservative blowhards who aim to destroy this country by opposing our President.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, drifting left is the ONLY thing that will get me to vote republican again. Hell, the ONLY reason I voted republican to begin with was for fiscal conservativism...and look where that got us, double the national debt...yeah, Bush was a great president. :roll:
I don't give a shit about abortion (actually, I support it), I don't give a shit about stem cell research, I don't give a shit about the whole "right to life" agenda, and I sure as shit don't care about religion.
I want a responsible government that doesn't represent corporations and big money. I want a government that doesn't saddle our country with massive debt. I want a government that regulates industry and doesn't allow corruption.
Basically, I'm fucked...I'm sure as hell not voting along party lines, and I'm sure as hell not following the conservative blowhards who aim to destroy this country by opposing our President.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

As I posted earlier, the "Conservatives" need to dump their Theocratic wing and return to the Conservatism of Barry Goldwater to stand a chance of again attracting enough voters to carry a national election. Fiscal conservatism can be a winner, but religious dogmatism in American politics loses more voters than it attracts.

 

[JSt0rm]

social conservatives need to go. Only then will the republicans be back. It won't happen though Look at cad, hes mad social conservative neocon pos.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, drifting left is the ONLY thing that will get me to vote republican again. Hell, the ONLY reason I voted republican to begin with was for fiscal conservativism...and look where that got us, double the national debt...yeah, Bush was a great president. :roll:

I don't give a shit about abortion (actually, I support it), I don't give a shit about stem cell research, I don't give a shit about the whole "right to life" agenda, and I sure as shit don't care about religion.

I want a responsible government that doesn't represent corporations and big money. I want a government that doesn't saddle our country with massive debt. I want a government that regulates industry and doesn't allow corruption.

Basically, I'm fucked...I'm sure as hell not voting along party lines, and I'm sure as hell not following the conservative blowhards who aim to destroy this country by opposing our President.

So, socially liberal, fiscally conservative? Sound about right?

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Just wanted to comment that evidence doesn't support you. Republicans approval ratings are at all time lows, despite it seeming like they are "winning." The vast majority of Americans don't think Republicans have the answers, regardless of what they think about Democrats. Fact is, less than 25% of this country is as far right as the Republican party is trying to become.

It hardly seems like the Republican party is "winning." With only 20% of Americans willing to identify themselves as Republicans these days, I'd hardly claim that as a "win" in any sense of the word.

I meant that a lot of media coverage seems to portray them as winning, or gaining ground, or whatever, but polls don't support that idea.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Honestly, drifting left is the ONLY thing that will get me to vote republican again. Hell, the ONLY reason I voted republican to begin with was for fiscal conservativism...and look where that got us, double the national debt...yeah, Bush was a great president. :roll:

I don't give a shit about abortion (actually, I support it), I don't give a shit about stem cell research, I don't give a shit about the whole "right to life" agenda, and I sure as shit don't care about religion.

I want a responsible government that doesn't represent corporations and big money. I want a government that doesn't saddle our country with massive debt. I want a government that regulates industry and doesn't allow corruption.

Basically, I'm fucked...I'm sure as hell not voting along party lines, and I'm sure as hell not following the conservative blowhards who aim to destroy this country by opposing our President.

So, socially liberal, fiscally conservative? Sound about right?

In other words....

A Blue Dog! Though a libertarian might work too...

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Shhh... the libs here can't handle the facts so they will continue to spout their lie that Conservatives didn't say a thing for 8 years.

lol...you.

fucking neocon.

Do you even know what a neocon is? Silly libs...

Sadly, yes, I know what neo-conservatism is. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell about them is actually conservative. Foreign policy isn't, domestic policy isn't, and Constitutional interpretation isn't.

Then again, maybe I should just break up their acronym to get a better understanding. Neo-Con. New Con. Ah, I get it now.

 

[trenchfoot]

Eight years of Bush Inc. with all stock in it owned by rich corporate profiteers, and look what happened to our country.

Why oh why would anyone want a repeat of that by re-installing the same behind-the-scene puppet masters with the same ideology and the same agenda via a "New and Improved" repub party that only looks different from but still carries the stench of the old.

The folks who control the repub party will never relinquish control of it, as they have all the money and power to keep that party in their hands.

Their only problem is in figuring out how to go about manipulating things to get another stooge back in the White House, of which, I assume, from their point of view, is inevitable.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
Eight years of Bush Inc. with all stock in it owned by rich corporate profiteers, and look what happened to our country.

Why oh why would anyone want a repeat of that by re-installing the same behind-the-scene puppet masters with the same ideology and the same agenda via a "New and Improved" repub party that only looks different from but still carries the stench of the old.

The folks who control the repub party will never relinquish control of it, as they have all the money and power to keep that party in their hands.

Their only problem is in figuring out how to go about manipulating things to get another stooge back in the White House, of which, I assume, from their point of view, is inevitable.

I'm not so sure real Americans would put up with another Bush.

We'll see as we watch what people do with the out of control Republicans now.

Rush, Levin and Beck have had their asses handed to them. Hannity has been laying low.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

The first great 20th-century Republican president, Theodore Roosevelt, supported a strong central government that emphasized the shared values and ideals of the nation's millions of citizens. He denounced the harm done by "the trusts" - big corporations. He made it his mission to conserve vast tracts of wilderness and forest.

The last successful one, Ronald Reagan, liked to remind people (especially the press) he was a lifelong New Dealer who voted four times for Franklin D. Roosevelt. The consensus forged by Buckley in the 1960s gained strength through two decisive acts: first, Buckley denounced right-wing extremists, such as the members of the John Birch Society, and made sure when he did it to secure the support of conservative Republicans like Reagan, Barry Goldwater, and Sen. John Tower. This pulled the movement toward the center.

Second: Buckley saw that the civil disturbances of the late 1960s (in particular urban riots and increasingly militant anti-Vietnam protests) posed a challenge to social harmonies preferred by genuine conservatives and genuine liberals alike. When the Democrat Daniel Patrick Moynihan called on liberals to join with conservatives in upholding "the politics of stability," Buckley replied that he was ready to help. He placed the values of "civil society" (in Burke's term) above those of his own movement or the GOP.

Today we see very little evidence of this. Our two-party system in fact consists of periods of alternating one-party rule - there is a polaraized majority party and a minority party. In the 1980s, Republicans grasped (and Democrats did not) that new entrepreneurial energies had been unleashed, and also that the Cold War could be brought to a conclusion through strong foreign policy.

The Democrats now dominate our heliocentric system, first on the economic stimulus, and now on the issue of health-care reform. These are both entirely Democratic initiatives. The Republicans, so intent on thwarting Obama, have vacated the field, and left it up to the majority party to accept the full burden of legislating us into the future.

If the Democrats succeed, Republicans will be tagged as the party that declined even to help repair a broken system and extend fundamental, logical extensions of Social Security and Medicare, to some 46 million people who now don't have them.

This could marginalize them even further. Rush Limbaugh's stated hope that Obama will fail seems to have become GOP doctrine. This is the attitude not of conservatives, but of radicals, who deplore the very possibility of a virtuous government.

 

[Lemon law]

I am not sure I buy the concept of the hidden forces that control the republican party. But if I did, I would have to question what the GOP is now worth, because they allowed GWB&co to totally wreck then GOP, and if the GOP loses any more ground in 2010, the "hidden forces" would be better off building a new party rather than trying to
resurrect a basket case like the GOP.

 

[blackangst1]

I agree with the article, but unfortunately it is parroting a myth regarding the Bush Medicaid increase. It's been Snoped. The increase was actually signed by Clinton.

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[DealMonkey]

I disagree with the topic title of this thread. It should be, "The Right is Revolting."

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I agree with the article, but unfortunately it is parroting a myth regarding the Bush Medicaid increase. It's been Snoped. The increase was actually signed by Clinton.

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No, you're thinking of the wrong thing.

Medicare Drug Benefit May Cost $1.2 Trillion
Estimate Dwarfs Bush's Original Price Tag

Wednesday, February 9, 2005; Page A01
The White House released budget figures yesterday indicating that the new Medicare prescription drug benefit will cost more than $1.2 trillion in the coming decade, a much higher price tag than President Bush suggested when he narrowly won passage of the law in late 2003.

The projections represent the most complete picture to date of how much the program will cost after it begins next year. The expense of the new drug benefit has been a source of much controversy since the day Congress approved it, with Democrats and some Republicans complaining that the White House has consistently low-balled the expected cost to the government.