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Carmen813

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This is a good interview, and people should listen to it to hear both sides of the story. Then you can base your opinion on Rev. Wright.

If you take only what sound clips and sound bites the media chooses to give you, than you are living in Plato's Cave, watching the shadows and believing them to be truth. I suggest you try to turn around and see where those shadows are coming from.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Here is another great quote by Wright
We cannot see how what we are doing is the same thing al-Qaeda is doing under a different color flag, calling on the name a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem!
Obama is doomed.

Right or wrong people will remember the sound bites and forget the 'context.'
Just ask John ?I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.? Kerry if you don't believe me.
Yes, sound bites and comments taken out of context.

Personally, I don't give a damn about Wright, or Hage for that matter. (I didn't even know who Hegee was until you people started talking about him, which reminds me - you libs must make it a hobby to find nutty preachers that most of us - 99% of America - couldn't care less about.)

But this Wright fellow is Obama's worst nightmare. While I personally couldn't care less, it's obvious some do; even if it moves the general election only a few points that's likely to be important.

I tuned in a local talk show when the Wright thing was at it's apex. Mind you this show is located in the county next to me, and is as Dem as my county is Repub. My gawd, so many callers were so concerned about this matter. I think it's hurt Obama in the primary, and will do so in the general election too.

My take on Wright is that he is arrogant, selfish and foolish.

His words were taken of context in the soundbites of "G*d D*mn America" etc? Of course, but the idiot can't see that that is going to happen again with his comments here? How foolish and arrogant. He thinks he can get away from this interview without leaving ammo behind for Obama's opponents. Not a chance.

So he was hurt by the unflattering & unfair portrait of him in the first "soundbite" piece? Big F'ing deal. He needed to lay low and wait until after the primary or general election until defending himself. But no, he had to do it now. All this IMO is bringing the whole matter back to the limelight when Obama needs to move on. How selfish.

If, and it's still a big "IF", Obama somehow doesn't win the general election it will be Wright's fault. How ironic that a black preacher espousing how whitey holds back the black man and oppresses him is responsible for the defeat of the first serious black candidate. He preaches empowerment of the black man, but is responsible for the exact opposite. This man's life work will end up being one huge negative for his fellow black neighbors.

And just to think, many have worried that Obama may be assasinated by some white racist. The assasin might to turn out to be a black preacher, and it was Obama's political career that was murdered.

He needs to stfu and stay out of politics.

Fern

well said :thumbsup:

wright screwed it all up for obama....especially after Obama doesn't throw Wright under the bus, then Wright comes back and says "obama was just being a politician"...precisely at the time obama doesn't need wright back in the race, wright brings up the one thing that obama can't afford to have brought up, that he's "just another politician" - his whole campaign is that he's a different kind of candidate, one that doesn't engage in these kinds of politics

it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now.
 

Jhhnn

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Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
We can face that fact, it still doesn't change our beliefs. It has nothing to do with your psychobabble.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Moonbeam

I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
We can face that fact, it still doesn't change our beliefs. It has nothing to do with your psychobabble.
I think the problem is that most aren't facing that fact. They talk about how they don't like Bush either but are now pushing to elect McCain, a man who has pledged to take an almost identical policy approach.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Moonbeam

I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
We can face that fact, it still doesn't change our beliefs. It has nothing to do with your psychobabble.
I think the problem is that most aren't facing that fact. They talk about how they don't like Bush either but are now pushing to elect McCain, a man who has pledged to take an almost identical policy approach.
Exactly. I remember thinking back in 2001, well these guys are not going to do what their base thinks with the big deficits and such, and what will their base do next election?

The only thing I saw the party can do is to say 'the next guy will be better'; will the base fall for that? Will they turn against politics?

The thing they should do - get informed and agree with liberal policies seems 'off the table'.

Of course this is the same crowd who thought the problem with Viet Nam was not staying.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
We can face that fact, it still doesn't change our beliefs. It has nothing to do with your psychobabble.
Which beliefs are those?
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
We can face that fact, it still doesn't change our beliefs. It has nothing to do with your psychobabble.
Which beliefs are those?

that a socialist approach to health care, increased spending on social programs and increased taxes are NOT the way to get things done?
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
Wrong. If you are referring to me in any way, you could not be more WRONG!!!

I do NOT want Hillary to get the Dem nomination, IMO she's the biggest phony and liar I've ever seen. Not to mention her other bad attributes I will not enumerate here.

Obama is a person one can like, even if they disagree with his policies. I have always enjoyed watching him speak/answering questions; he's actually thinking about what he's saying instead of some g'd d'mned canned response like Hillary. I think he's the smartest person that we've seen in politics for a long time.

While I think Hillary is an easier opponent for the Repubs, I'd still rather see Obama, the better person, get the Dem nomination. I think we'll have a much more intelligent and classier campaign than the inevitable mud fests the Clintons enjoy so much.

Fern

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
We can face that fact, it still doesn't change our beliefs. It has nothing to do with your psychobabble.
If you have faced the fact that you elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US, and I hope you say just that to be perfectly clear we're on the same page, then you are not among those whose self hate is blinding them, but that would not imply, however, you have the psychological tools to evaluate my explanation. When your beliefs allow you to vote for a fool like Bush and then you find only disillusionment, you need to stop and ask yourself what makes you so blind. You need to reach out for new understanding and here I am with it. I offer a technique and a theory which explains the insanity of the human condition a ToE regarding human behavior a truth, the closer you get to it, the more it pushes you away.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
Wrong. If you are referring to me in any way, you could not be more WRONG!!!

I do NOT want Hillary to get the Dem nomination, IMO she's the biggest phony and liar I've ever seen. Not to mention her other bad attributes I will not enumerate here.

Obama is a person one can like, even if they disagree with his policies. I have always enjoyed watching him speak/answering questions; he's actually thinking about what he's saying instead of some g'd d'mned canned response like Hillary. I think he's the smartest person that we've seen in politics for a long time.

While I think Hillary is an easier opponent for the Repubs, I'd still rather see Obama, the better person, get the Dem nomination. I think we'll have a much more intelligent and classier campaign than the inevitable mud fests the Clintons enjoy so much.

Fern

yep, this is the antithesis of the some of those on the left's "win at any cost" way of thinking, and is the reason for the divide in the democrat party. Vote for who you feel is the best candidate, and let the results speak for themselves. voting for who you think should win is a sure way to lose, as evidenced by the election in '04

that said, I think some on the right are in for a surprise should obama get the chance to debate mccain
 

RKDaley

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
Wrong. If you are referring to me in any way, you could not be more WRONG!!!
Fern, I believe Jhhnn was referring to daveymark's post.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
Wrong. If you are referring to me in any way, you could not be more WRONG!!!

I do NOT want Hillary to get the Dem nomination, IMO she's the biggest phony and liar I've ever seen. Not to mention her other bad attributes I will not enumerate here.

Obama is a person one can like, even if they disagree with his policies. I have always enjoyed watching him speak/answering questions; he's actually thinking about what he's saying instead of some g'd d'mned canned response like Hillary. I think he's the smartest person that we've seen in politics for a long time.

While I think Hillary is an easier opponent for the Repubs, I'd still rather see Obama, the better person, get the Dem nomination. I think we'll have a much more intelligent and classier campaign than the inevitable mud fests the Clintons enjoy so much.

Fern
One of the reasons I objected to his broad brush comment about the right wing. I believe that many many people on the right are every bit as interested in the good as Obama or me and that people of good will on both sides can talk and learn from each other.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
Wrong. If you are referring to me in any way, you could not be more WRONG!!!
Fern, I believe Jhhnn was referring to daveymark's post.

Nope, apparently it's referring to anyone who leans to the right who voices an opinion on obama.

if that's true, he's wrong no matter who his fallacy-filled generalization was directed towards. ironic, then, that the terms "spin factor and hypocrisy " are being used....
 

Jhhnn

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
Wrong. If you are referring to me in any way, you could not be more WRONG!!!
Fern, I believe Jhhnn was referring to daveymark's post.

Nope, apparently it's referring to anyone who leans to the right who voices an opinion on obama.

if that's true, he's wrong no matter who his fallacy-filled generalization was directed towards. ironic, then, that the terms "spin factor and hypocrisy " are being used....

Fallacy-filled? Really? What fallacies would you care to reference, specifically? That hell would freeze over before you, Fern, or any of the other "right leaning" posters here would vote for either Dem? Or my objection to your characterization of "everybody" rooting for Hillary as the "underdog"?

And your most recent generalization is a giggle, the "win at any cost" reference, which just shows that Hillary is, as I've often claimed, more like the Repubs than most Dems... If nothing else, her being on the gooey end of so many rightwing slime attacks has taught her that it often works...
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
We can face that fact, it still doesn't change our beliefs. It has nothing to do with your psychobabble.
Which beliefs are those?

that a socialist approach to health care, increased spending on social programs and increased taxes are NOT the way to get things done?
In other words, you don't see tens of millions without health care as a problem; you don't see our nation's worst-in-the-developed-world statistics in many areas as a problem needing any action; and you are in favor of all of the growth of the nation after inflation going to a very small percent, with none to the bottom 80% and little to most even above that line, and you are in favor of continuing our huge deficits. Those are the results of your 'beliefs'.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
We can face that fact, it still doesn't change our beliefs. It has nothing to do with your psychobabble.
Which beliefs are those?

that a socialist approach to health care, increased spending on social programs and increased taxes are NOT the way to get things done?
In other words, you don't see tens of millions without health care as a problem; you don't see our nation's worst-in-the-developed-world statistics in many areas as a problem needing any action; and you are in favor of all of the growth of the nation after inflation going to a very small percent, with none to the bottom 80% and little to most even above that line, and you are in favor of continuing our huge deficits. Those are the results of your 'beliefs'.
Hmmm, I state my opinion that liberal "solutions" to certain problems don't work, and you retort that how I don't see the problems to begin with.

obfuscation ftl.

you've failed in your generalizations of my "beliefs" by completely veering off track.

Despite what you'd like to think, most of us agree on the problems facing the country. what we don't agree on is how to fix those problems.

you need to deal with that before attempting to engage in any sort of discussion.
 

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I just watched this week's Realtime, and Bill Maher looked right into the camera and said, "Reverend Wright, you are a dick" for saying Obama responded as a politican (Obama could've thrown him under the bus and didn't, at his own expense), and for doing the interview now instead of after the campaign.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
We can face that fact, it still doesn't change our beliefs. It has nothing to do with your psychobabble.
Which beliefs are those?
that a socialist approach to health care, increased spending on social programs and increased taxes are NOT the way to get things done?
So why do you support the Republican party that does all 3? Seriously. That's why I asked the question, because I expected exactly this kind of answer.

Socialized healthcare? MMA 2003
'nuff said on that...

Increased spending on "social" programs? So what you're saying is that spending government money inside the US is wrong, but $3 trillion in Iraq is okay? And I'm not talking about social programs in Iraq, I'm talking about the traitorously needless war period. If you actually walked your talk, you'd be paying for it while letting those of us who opposed it all along not have be burdened with your mistake. But that would defeat the purpose of your own brand of socialism, now wouldn't it?

Increased taxes? A comment like that is the kind that can make me become abusive. Every dollar of deficit costs us considerably more than if we'd just paid the taxes in the first place. Once again, socialism on your part... but this time the cost is pushed off onto our grandchildren's children.

Take your deluded doublethinks and pay for them yourself.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
We can face that fact, it still doesn't change our beliefs. It has nothing to do with your psychobabble.
Which beliefs are those?

that a socialist approach to health care, increased spending on social programs and increased taxes are NOT the way to get things done?
In other words, you don't see tens of millions without health care as a problem; you don't see our nation's worst-in-the-developed-world statistics in many areas as a problem needing any action; and you are in favor of all of the growth of the nation after inflation going to a very small percent, with none to the bottom 80% and little to most even above that line, and you are in favor of continuing our huge deficits. Those are the results of your 'beliefs'.
Wrong argument, Craig. It's not that these "right-wingers" you hate are opposed to socialism. Quite the opposite, they love it and support it every chance they get. It's just not your particular brand of socialism is all.
 

tweaker2

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i chuckled when i read about how some see the pbs presentation of wright as a political maneuver to brighten up his image.

so here we have enemies of obama cherry-picking some of rev. wright's words and putting them in obama's mouth for no other reason than to paint obama with the same brush made of innuendo and scandal. repeat - for nother reason.

then along comes pbs (and others) to show what wright is really made of, and now pbs is being accused of coming to wright's (and obama's) rescue?

geez...i guess the rumors and innuendo about wright (and obama) is a lot more truthy than the truth itself. it's amazing how, for those hoping for self-fulfilling rumors and innuendo, these bits of carefully clipped history can be taken as the sum truth of a man and when faced with facts that discredit said rumors, the accusations are then used as evidence of its own validity.

one evening i was watching cspan as call-in's were being taken on the subject of obama's credentials. one woman (listed as a republican) stated matter of factly that she would not vote for a muslim for president. when told straight out by the host of the program that obama was not muslim but was a christian, she flat out refused to believe that and gave as evidence and justification for her opinion that "that's not what she heard". the host repeated again that it was a fact that obama was a christian and she still didn't/couldn't/wouldn't believe it because the rumor justified her dislike for him and she couldn't let go of it.

i see the same behaviour in this thread and in this forum all the time.

 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Best part about all of this is the raving and gnashing of teeth by parties who'll never vote for either Dem candidate... but they needed some excuse to carry on about Obama, and they've already got Hillary zeroed in...

The spin factor and hypocrisy are reaching incredible heights, like this-

"it throws a whole kink in things and explains why Hillary is the underdog everyone is rooting for now."

Everybody meaning the rightwing, huh? They've been rooting for her all along... She's who they want to run against in November, and no other...
I think it's only the sick segment of the right wing who can't face the fact their lack of judgment elected the biggest fool in history as Pres of the US. They have to remain delusional or feel terrible self hate, which, of course, they already feel.
We can face that fact, it still doesn't change our beliefs. It has nothing to do with your psychobabble.
Which beliefs are those?
that a socialist approach to health care, increased spending on social programs and increased taxes are NOT the way to get things done?
So why do you support the Republican party that does all 3?
Link to where I've stated such?

*crickets*

you've failed once again in your assumptions and generalizations.

next time when you flamebait, try to be a little more prepared.
 

lopri

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John McCain joined the party. Interestingly he justifies his participation on Obama's opinion. How pathetic.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/..._for_Wright_issue.html

So according to McCain, it's OK to do anything as long as Obama says fine. Then maybe McCain should start by reading Obama's books and following through what he learns from that experience. :laugh:

However, it once again previews things to come this fall. Obama better be well prepared.
 

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Here is another great quote by Wright
We cannot see how what we are doing is the same thing al-Qaeda is doing under a different color flag, calling on the name a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem!
Obama is doomed.

Right or wrong people will remember the sound bites and forget the 'context.'
Just ask John ?I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.? Kerry if you don't believe me.
Yes, sound bites and comments taken out of context.

Personally, I don't give a damn about Wright, or Hage for that matter. (I didn't even know who Hegee was until you people started talking about him, which reminds me - you libs must make it a hobby to find nutty preachers that most of us - 99% of America - couldn't care less about.)

But this Wright fellow is Obama's worst nightmare. While I personally couldn't care less, it's obvious some do; even if it moves the general election only a few points that's likely to be important.

I tuned in a local talk show when the Wright thing was at it's apex. Mind you this show is located in the county next to me, and is as Dem as my county is Repub. My gawd, so many callers were so concerned about this matter. I think it's hurt Obama in the primary, and will do so in the general election too.

My take on Wright is that he is arrogant, selfish and foolish.

His words were taken of context in the soundbites of "G*d D*mn America" etc? Of course, but the idiot can't see that that is going to happen again with his comments here? How foolish and arrogant. He thinks he can get away from this interview without leaving ammo behind for Obama's opponents. Not a chance.

So he was hurt by the unflattering & unfair portrait of him in the first "soundbite" piece? Big F'ing deal. He needed to lay low and wait until after the primary or general election until defending himself. But no, he had to do it now. All this IMO is bringing the whole matter back to the limelight when Obama needs to move on. How selfish.

If, and it's still a big "IF", Obama somehow doesn't win the general election it will be Wright's fault. How ironic that a black preacher espousing how whitey holds back the black man and oppresses him is responsible for the defeat of the first serious black candidate. He preaches empowerment of the black man, but is responsible for the exact opposite. This man's life work will end up being one huge negative for his fellow black neighbors.

And just to think, many have worried that Obama may be assasinated by some white racist. The assasin might to turn out to be a black preacher, and it was Obama's political career that was murdered.

He needs to stfu and stay out of politics.

Fern
While I do think that Wright is about the worst thing that could have happened to Obama's campaign (other than him actually being a muslim...) I do think its too late and the genie is out the bottle. Throwing Wright under the bus (as others suggested) was impossible and would have made Obama look ridiculous and dishonest (Wright did marry the Obama's and baptized their kids.) Wright is never going to go away even if the campaign kidnaps him and stuffs him into the darkest corner of Cheney's "undisclosed location." The less respectable R's will hammer on this endlessly into the fall. That's why I don't agree with the various pundits that see this as horrible for Obama's campaign. It will never stop to be a constantly talked about issue.

I think these appearances are necessary. As long as Wright exists as a myth, people can assign whatever deep-seated fear or internet rumor to him unchallenged. Once he 's out and talks to the public and is more humanized, its harder to assign things to him without reason. (And by humanized I don't mean a PR fluff campaign, but to make him more corporeal.)

If he's real, people can agree or disagree. He can still be a giant douche, but its harder for him to exist as the "big black angry bogeyman" which certain Obama opponents are dying to paint Obama as (and as shown here in PA, does have a pull with a certain % of the voters.)

A couple interviews on 60mins and Fox News Sunday (into the lions den) could go a long way as making him just some dicky guy, and and more easily dismissed in support for Obama. No doubt its a risky strategy, and many will disagree, but I don't see any other way.
 

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