retiring NYT editor charges "liberal bias"

[PokerGuy]

At an Obama fundraiser last June, Les Moonves (head of the CBS news division) stated the obvious by saying, "ultimately journalism has changed...partisanship is very much a part of journalism now."

What the heck would he know, he's just the head of the news division for CBS. Obviously there is no such thing as media bias, many people in the know here on ATPN have said so.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What the heck would he know, he's just the head of the news division for CBS. Obviously there is no such thing as media bias, many people in the know here on ATPN have said so.

Liberals can look at Fox News and clearly see conservative media bias...yet, are totally blind when it comes to liberal media bias. I've never understood this.

I have a theory...one's ability to detect opposing ideological media bias is directly proportional to the degree of one's own ideological bias.

 

[Moonbeam]

Liberals can look at Fox News and clearly see conservative media bias...yet, are totally blind when it comes to liberal media bias. I've never understood this.

By the way, I would love to share your delusion that liberals and conservatives share equal bias, but neuroscience says otherwise. Liberals have different problems. They get outraged by conservative intransigence and stupidity which isn't stupidity at all. It's an adaptive mechanism which, in the right circumstances, has great survival value. But because conservatives have become so insane and maladaptive to the actual conditions, they forget this in their rage.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Not exactly, this story shows clear media bias in the New York Times. I have no problem pointing out the bias of Fox News. My main problem is with people that refuse to admit there is bias in the media and that for the mainstream media it basically favors the Democratic Party. It's not exactly an earthshaking claim.

It does not show clear bias, it shows us what a paid critic thinks. Compare that to a true scientific study with clear methodology explained.

I agree with you on the larger point, that we all approach things with some sort of bias, but Im ok with that as long as what is reported is accurate.

The mainstream media may favor some issues, say like gay marriage, but that does not mean it is favouring the party which adopts that particular cause.

Simply put, the NYT doesnt favour gay rights because its supported by the DNC, it supports on its own merits, and it just so happens that the 2 major parties take opposite sides of this issue.

 

[monovillage]

It does not show clear bias, it shows us what a paid critic thinks. Compare that to a true scientific study with clear methodology explained.

What study? What methodology? All you posted or linked to was wiki. You fail.

I agree with you on the larger point, that we all approach things with some sort of bias, but Im ok with that as long as what is reported is accurate.

The mainstream media may favor some issues, say like gay marriage, but that does not mean it is favouring the party which adopts that particular cause.

Simply put, the NYT doesnt favour gay rights because its supported by the DNC, it supports on its own merits, and it just so happens that the 2 major parties take opposite sides of this issue.

I favor gay marriage, if the only bias from the mainstream press was gay marriage my confirmation bias wouldn't allow me to notice it.

 

[Moonbeam]

What study? What methodology? All you posted or linked to was wiki. You fail.



I favor gay marriage, if the only bias from the mainstream press was gay marriage my confirmation bias wouldn't allow me to notice it.

I'm afraid you only think you are a conservative. You may just have a liberal brain that's not firing on all cylinders.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

By the way, I would love to share your delusion that liberals and conservatives share equal bias, but neuroscience says otherwise. Liberals have different problems. They get outraged by conservative intransigence and stupidity which isn't stupidity at all. It's an adaptive mechanism which, in the right circumstances, has great survival value. But because conservatives have become so insane and maladaptive to the actual conditions, they forget this in their rage.

Did I say liberals and conservatives share equal bias? Please don't misrepresent what I'm saying. Also, please take a good look at yourself and your motives before accusing others of self-delusion.

 

[Moonbeam]

Did I say liberals and conservatives share equal bias? Please don't misrepresent what I'm saying. Also, please take a good look at yourself and your motives before accusing others of self-delusion.

Well, if you don't want me to misrepresent what you are saying, don't misrepresent what you are saying:

"Liberals can look at Fox News and clearly see conservative media bias...yet, are totally blind when it comes to liberal media bias. I've never understood this."

This is a claim of total blindness. Thus, unless conservatives are not totally blind, liberals are even more blind than conservatives. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you meant that liberals and conservatives are equally totally blind. If you want to claim that conservatives aren't totally blind and are less biased then liberals, fine. This would still imply by your theory that liberals are more adapt at detecting conservative bias that conservatives are at detecting liberal bias:

"I have a theory...one's ability to detect opposing ideological media bias is directly proportional to the degree of one's own ideological bias."

Then again, you probably didn't say what you really meant because what I think you really mean is that ideologues don't detect better, but imagine they detect better, opposing bias.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

"I have a theory...one's ability to detect opposing ideological media bias is directly proportional to the degree of one's own ideological bias."

Then again, you probably didn't say what you really meant because what I think you really mean is that ideologues don't detect better, but imagine they detect better, opposing bias.

Are you trying to say that an ideologues perception that Fox News has a conservative bias is not reality...but just the product of their imagination?

 

[Moonbeam]

Are you trying to say that an ideologues perception that Fox News has a conservative bias is not reality...but just the product of their imagination?

No, I am saying that everybody is biased, liberals by reality and conservatives by an imaginary reality, that these are the facts based on neurological research. The problem, of course, is that bias refers to deviation from truth and truth is a liberal thing, it is what is in fact real. Liberals are reality based but conservatives just claim to be.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

No, I am saying that everybody is biased, liberals by reality and conservatives by an imaginary reality, that these are the facts based on neurological research. The problem, of course, is that bias refers to deviation from truth and truth is a liberal thing, it is what is in fact real. Liberals are reality based but conservatives just claim to be.

OK...I'll bite...what is this neurological research you have that proves your superiority over conservatives like me in matters of truth and bias?

 

[PokerGuy]

OK...I'll bite...what is this neurological research you have that proves your superiority over conservatives like me in matters of truth and bias?

Why are you arguing with a certified clown?

 

[thraashman]

Liberals can look at Fox News and clearly see conservative media bias...yet, are totally blind when it comes to liberal media bias. I've never understood this.

I have a theory...one's ability to detect opposing ideological media bias is directly proportional to the degree of one's own ideological bias.

I think it's more of a case of levels of bias and intentional bias. Fox News is, as an organization, intentionally very biased. They try to claim otherwise, but don't try to hide the bias in the least. Most other news organizations are not biased as an organization, but people's personal bias will tend to slip through regardless. There is a larger amount of liberal minded people in the media, and personal bias does sometimes slip through. But most media organizations are not intentionally trying to be partisan. Except one, Fox.

The problem is that there are organization that have statistically the lowest bias, and the current right will scream bias because they've come to believe anything that doesn't fall lock step with their viewpoint is highly biased. It's this victim syndrome that's become very prevalent with the current GOP and it's downright silly.

Basically asking a liberal to see liberal bias in media when compared to Fox News is like expecting me to notice the firecracker near my foot when there's a cruise missile exploding 200 feet to my right.