retiring NYT editor charges "liberal bias"

[monovillage]

You have to be an ignorant fool or a liar to deny that there is media bias in the mainstream media. Once again it's pointed out by none other then a retiring New York Times editor.

In his final column for the Times, Brisbane wrote that his fellow staffers "share a kind of political and cultural progressivism" that "virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times." Brisbane even argued that Times reporters covered some liberal causes, like gay marriage and the Occupy movement, "more like causes than news subjects."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media...itor-progressive-worldview-bleeds-133188.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/o...-the-times-transforms.html?_r=4&smid=tw-share

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/08/nyts-abramson-rebuts-brisbane-charge-133211.html

Of course there's the rush by other editors to make the claim made famous by Bart Simpson.

“I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, there's no way you can prove anything!”

Face it, even an editor to the "paper of record" admits it's filled with progressive, biased pukes. Live with it.

 

[Rainsford]

Charges of "liberal biased" aimed at the media have always seemed to me like a convenient excuse to ignore stories and facts that some conservatives would rather not have to deal with. This seems pretty likely since the right has also managed to detect "liberal bias" in schools and science. Taken together, those charges of bias seem to very conveniently allow conservatives to think whatever they want without pesky experts or facts getting in the way. If liberal bias exists the way some conservatives say it does, it's truly the most fortunate circumstance in the history of political debate.

As for this particular case, I can't help but noticing that this one person in the media (who OF COURSE conservatives are going to believe while ignoring everyone else in the media who isn't saying what they want to hear) is able to make his charge on the pages of the "liberal media" titan he's railing against. If the NYT is biased, they're not doing a very good job of it...

One thing that's not really debatable though is that journalists in general DO tend to be more liberal than conservative (which is stupidly taken as proof of bias by people who don't understand the word "professionalism"). Given the importance of the news media in a democracy...you have to wonder, where are all the conservatives? For all the right-wing complaints about bias in the media, I can't help but noticing that the main conservative contribution to the media are organizations like Fox News that end up far surpassing any claims of bias against the "liberal" mainstream media.

 

[monovillage]

Charges of "liberal biased" aimed at the media have always seemed to me like a convenient excuse to ignore stories and facts that some conservatives would rather not have to deal with. This seems pretty likely since the right has also managed to detect "liberal bias" in schools and science. Taken together, those charges of bias seem to very conveniently allow conservatives to think whatever they want without pesky experts or facts getting in the way. If liberal bias exists the way some conservatives say it does, it's truly the most fortunate circumstance in the history of political debate.

As for this particular case, I can't help but noticing that this one person in the media (who OF COURSE conservatives are going to believe while ignoring everyone else in the media who isn't saying what they want to hear) is able to make his charge on the pages of the "liberal media" titan he's railing against. If the NYT is biased, they're not doing a very good job of it...

One thing that's not really debatable though is that journalists in general DO tend to be more liberal than conservative (which is stupidly taken as proof of bias by people who don't understand the word "professionalism"). Given the importance of the news media in a democracy...you have to wonder, where are all the conservatives? For all the right-wing complaints about bias in the media, I can't help but noticing that the main conservative contribution to the media are organizations like Fox News that end up far surpassing any claims of bias against the "liberal" mainstream media.

I'm more willing to believe this editor of the New York Times that's retiring and finally gets to point out the progressive bias in his own newspaper. I think someone once remarked that you'd have to be stupid to believe that the New York Times was biased. Here's proof that it is, the only ones that are stupid are the ones that continue to deny it.

 

[Jhhnn]

You desperately misrepresent what he said, which won't be obvious to non-subscribers to the NYT.

For those who are, this should be a direct link-

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/o...the-times-transforms.html?ref=thepubliceditor

The fact that the NYT would print it says a lot about their credibility. I don't think that would happen on your fave media outlet, Fox...

 

[Balt]

You quoted only a small part of the entire article, which leaves out the context.

In short, he seems to be saying that a lot of The Times has been wrapped up in the "Twitterverse", which means they are focusing more on things that are popular in the social media circle. This is indeed regrettable, since the social media circle also finds people like Kim Kardashian to be very interesting. I'm not sure that it represents a true liberal bias, however.

In any case, the media is more likely to give attention to any group that is challenging the status quo. Supporting the status quo isn't really newsworthy, in most cases.

 

[Moonbeam]

Facts have a liberal bias. Anybody speaking the truth is a liberal. All the scientific data speaks of the fact that conservatives are creating their own delusional reality to compete with the one that is real. Any attempt to pierce this delusion with more facts will only strengthen the delusion. The conservative mind has gone off the rails and become insane. It is a very very very big problem. The paranoid mind devoid or real threat turns to eat its friends. We are all in great danger but nobody seems to want to see it.

 

[monovillage]

You desperately misrepresent what he said, which won't be obvious to non-subscribers to the NYT.

For those who are, this should be a direct link-

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/o...the-times-transforms.html?ref=thepubliceditor

The fact that the NYT would print it says a lot about their credibility. I don't think that would happen on your fave media outlet, Fox...

You lying sack of garbage, all 3 links are there, I posted them.

When The Times covers a national presidential campaign, I have found that the lead editors and reporters are disciplined about enforcing fairness and balance, and usually succeed in doing so. Across the paper’s many departments, though, so many share a kind of political and cultural progressivism — for lack of a better term — that this worldview virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times.

As a result, developments like the Occupy movement and gay marriage seem almost to erupt in The Times, overloved and undermanaged, more like causes than news subjects.

 

[cybrsage]

Facts have a liberal bias. Anybody speaking the truth is a liberal. All the scientific data speaks of the fact that conservatives are creating their own delusional reality to compete with the one that is real.

Liar. Provide proof.

 

[Matt1970]

Facts have a liberal bias.

Cherry picked facts can have whatever bias the journalist sees fit. Liberal or Conservative.

Anybody speaking the truth is a liberal. All the scientific data speaks of the fact that conservatives are creating their own delusional reality to compete with the one that is real. Any attempt to pierce this delusion with more facts will only strengthen the delusion. The conservative mind has gone off the rails and become insane. It is a very very very big problem. The paranoid mind devoid or real threat turns to eat its friends. We are all in great danger but nobody seems to want to see it.

The rest of this sounds like the rantings of a 5 year old and should be treated as such. Moonbeam, any time you are actually ready to start getting involved with facts, we will be here waiting. You linking to an op-ed piece from a Political Commentator about how someone has a brain defect is not getting involved with facts.

 

[DominionSeraph]

You have to be an ignorant fool or a liar to deny that there is media bias in the mainstream media.

Regardless of whether your links attest to this, what's your point?

Do you expect the reporters of the mainstream media to act as though pi = 3?
That the Earth is flat?
That the Sun and all the planets revolve around the Earth?
Do you believe the reporters of the mainstream media should arbitrarily attribute things to an invisible man who lives in the sky who tells people to kill?
Do you believe the reporters of the mainstream media should arbitrarily attribute things to sorcery and witchcraft?
Should reporters promote selling your soul to Satan as a practical means to success?
Should they believe and report that the government is putting mind control chemicals aboard commercial jetliners and dumping it into the atmosphere based on nothing but unsupported assertion?
Should they report as though snakes can talk, and demand that the government put together an official religious task force to investigate just what these reptiles' apparent conspiracy of silence is hiding?


Facts are interpreted on a conceptual framework of how the world works. The mainstream media just uses an educated framework. Yes, conservatives are ignorant, superstitious, and stupid, so this isn't the conservative framework. <--- THIS ISN'T AN ARGUMENT AGAINST THE VALIDITY OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA'S FRAMEWORK.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

You have to be an ignorant fool or a liar to deny that there is media bias in the mainstream media. Once again it's pointed out by none other then a retiring New York Times editor.



http://www.politico.com/blogs/media...itor-progressive-worldview-bleeds-133188.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/o...-the-times-transforms.html?_r=4&smid=tw-share

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/08/nyts-abramson-rebuts-brisbane-charge-133211.html

Of course there's the rush by other editors to make the claim made famous by Bart Simpson.

Face it, even an editor to the "paper of record" admits it's filled with progressive, biased pukes. Live with it.

Clearly a single data point (hes in the in house critic btw aka thats his job) disproves the numerous studies showing this not to be true.

Confirmation bias is confirmed, thanks for playing the game.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Regardless of whether your links attest to this, what's your point?

Do you expect the reporters of the mainstream media to act as though pi = 3?
That the Earth is flat?
That the Sun and all the planets revolve around the Earth?
Do you believe the reporters of the mainstream media should arbitrarily attribute things to an invisible man who lives in the sky who tells people to kill?
Do you believe the reporters of the mainstream media should, willy-nilly, attribute things to sorcery and witchcraft?
Should reporters promote selling your soul to Satan as a practical means to success?
Should they believe and report that the government is putting mind control chemicals aboard commercial jetliners and dumping it into the atmosphere based on nothing but unsupported assertion?
Should they report as though snakes can talk, and demand that the government put together an official religious task force to investigate just what these reptiles' apparent conspiracy of silence is hiding?


Facts are interpreted on a conceptual framework of how the world works. The mainstream media just uses an educated framework. Yes, conservatives are ignorant, superstitious, and stupid, so this isn't the conservative framework. <--- THIS ISN'T AN ARGUMENT AGAINST THE VALIDITY OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA'S FRAMEWORK.

Indeed, the scientific methond doesnt care about fairness, which is why denoting creationism as an "alternate theory" is pure bollocks.

 

[monovillage]

Clearly a single data point (hes in the in house critic btw aka thats his job) disproves the numerous studies showing this not to be true.

Confirmation bias is confirmed, thanks for playing the game.

Show me your studies baby. In a more serious note, show me the study/studies you are citing.

 

[Moonbeam]

Liberals and conservatives here, the blind shouting at the deaf. They can't hear you!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by Moonbeam
Facts have a liberal bias. Anybody speaking the truth is a liberal. All the scientific data speaks of the fact that conservatives are creating their own delusional reality to compete with the one that is real.

Liar. Provide proof.

Simply look at your own posts.

All the proof the world needs to see.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Simply look at your own posts.

All the proof the world needs to see.

Much like your post with half truths and flat out lies eh?

 

[umbrella39]

As per usual reality and truth has a liberal bias to the idiots who are always wrong on all issues! Get over it.. time has passed u by and has deemed you pathetically paranoid and willing to lie to prove how wrong u always are.

 

[Jhhnn]

I do like the way that the OP puts <liberal bias> in quotation marks, as if the author of the article actually used the term. He didn't.

 

[Moonbeam]

I believe that what is called liberal bias by the right is the result of the fact that journalists are liberals because journalism is an attempt to get to unbiased facts which is actually a liberal trait. Fox Fantasy is where you find the conservative take on journalism, support for an altered reality that has no relationship to fact.

It is, of course, quite sad that conservatives demonize real journalism, the fourth pillar of our society, because by doing so they close one of the last doors they had to reality. When the tribalistic drive to win that conservatives excel at becomes divorced from reality they may win but the nation loses. Conservatives are in desperate need of liberal thinking.

 

[Jhhnn]

I believe that what is called liberal bias by the right is the result of the fact that journalists are liberals because journalism is an attempt to get to unbiased facts which is actually a liberal trait. Fox Fantasy is where you find the conservative take on journalism, support for an altered reality that has no relationship to fact.

It is, of course, quite sad that conservatives demonize real journalism, the fourth pillar of our society, because by doing so they close one of the last doors they had to reality. When the tribalistic drive to win that conservatives excel at becomes divorced from reality they may win but the nation loses. Conservatives are in desperate need of liberal thinking.

You realize that you'll never reach the True Believers, I hope. There's a sort of mental trapdoor on the path to becoming one, so once they fall through, they're gone, beyond reason, caught in self reinforcing denial.

The best one can hope for is to deter others from going that way...

 

[dmcowen674]

Much like your post with half truths and flat out lies eh?

Links, proof?

 

[Moonbeam]

You realize that you'll never reach the True Believers, I hope. There's a sort of mental trapdoor on the path to becoming one, so once they fall through, they're gone, beyond reason, caught in self reinforcing denial.

The best one can hope for is to deter others from going that way...

Conservatives may understand liberals better than we do them but if you take the example here, we have delusional people who are delusional for the sake of the team. This is a strong survival mechanism when the team is under attack from a foreign enemy, and extremely dangerous when the other is ones fellow Americans. The only people who are going to be able to see these facts are liberals because they are open to fact, so the only ones who are going to be able to seek any solutions to this will also have to be liberals.

What we know is that a fool convinced against his will, somebody beaten by argument, is of the same opinion still. What remains, then, is to consider other tactics. So I believe that there are other ways to reach the blind than by argument and one way some experts suggest is by stories. Conservatives are in fact rather good at this, themselves. It's still a problem, of course, if the their stories are delusions. At any rate, the primary task as I see it now and recently, is to reduce the worship of demonetization between American teams. We need good sportsmanship which is also under assault. We need, I think, to institute and enforce all our ancient wisdom regarding gentelmanly debate, with respect for differing opinion. At stake, I believe, is the viability of our society.

 

[Greenman]

Regardless of whether your links attest to this, what's your point?

Do you expect the reporters of the mainstream media to act as though pi = 3?
That the Earth is flat?
That the Sun and all the planets revolve around the Earth?
Do you believe the reporters of the mainstream media should arbitrarily attribute things to an invisible man who lives in the sky who tells people to kill?
Do you believe the reporters of the mainstream media should arbitrarily attribute things to sorcery and witchcraft?
Should reporters promote selling your soul to Satan as a practical means to success?
Should they believe and report that the government is putting mind control chemicals aboard commercial jetliners and dumping it into the atmosphere based on nothing but unsupported assertion?
Should they report as though snakes can talk, and demand that the government put together an official religious task force to investigate just what these reptiles' apparent conspiracy of silence is hiding?


Facts are interpreted on a conceptual framework of how the world works. The mainstream media just uses an educated framework. Yes, conservatives are ignorant, superstitious, and stupid, so this isn't the conservative framework. <--- THIS ISN'T AN ARGUMENT AGAINST THE VALIDITY OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA'S FRAMEWORK.

Why even spout this foolishness? Do you really think claims of mental superiority are how you win a debate? Your argument is based on stupidity and bigotry, and it comes from a fellow with some very serious issues. I witnessed the freak show you posted at the other place, I know what you are.

 

[Matt1970]

Links, proof?

http://forums.anandtech.com/search.php?searchid=513629

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Links, proof?

All anyone needs to do to see these half truths and flat out lies is click on your username and click the "find more posts by dmcowen674" and they will find plenty.