Restaurant refused to serve trump supporter

[Jhhnn]

So (hypothetically) if a black person wearing Hillary regalia walks into a restaurant and said regalia makes people uncomfortable, the owner of said restaurant (who has Gary Johnson signs posted) is entitled to ask the Hillary supporter to leave and should fear no consequences?

No legal consequences.

 

[glenn1]

No legal consequences.

The racists appreciate your dismantling of a core element of the Civil Rights Act 1964.

 

[Jhhnn]

You're giving him too much credit for intelligence, you gotta hit him over the head with a brick for him to get it. He probably doesn't even remember how much he screamed about it when Ari Fleischer said the exact same damn thing and he thought it was Un-American. Oh the cows the left had when he said "all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do."

I have no idea what you think you're talking about.

 

[Painman]

So we should believe w/o thinking because... it feels good, or what?

I'm pretty sure it felt good to be a national socialist when Hitler was rebuilding Germany.

>Invoking Hitler

...And I want you to think about WHERE you blew it.

In a thread about public accommodation.

 

[Jhhnn]

The racists appreciate your dismantling of a core element of the Civil Rights Act 1964.

So desperately twisted. It's not about race per se but rather about political speech.

 

[zinfamous]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2472185

Oh, the hypocrisy!

LOL! 😀

not really the same. Both are stupid (the vendors), imo.

Difference between these is one douchenozzle claimed "god commanded him" (apparently his god is interested in politics) to strand a lady on the side of a road.

In the other, douchnozzles told a lady to go eat somewhere else ostensibly because of her advertising that she clearly doesn't like the people serving her food. I didn't read the article, but was that the only reason she was kicked out? Still, it's dumb, but I wonder if she was being belligerent.

 

[Jhhnn]

>Invoking Hitler



...And I want you to think about WHERE you blew it.

In a thread about public accommodation.

It probably felt just as good for righties when GWB created the Gitmo prison, too. They believed in it right away.

The fact remains that believing in Trump is believing in bigotry whether the believer knows it or not. Expecting not to be called out for it is foolishness.

 

[glenn1]

So desperately twisted. It's not about race per se but rather about political speech.

"I'm sorry Ms. Rosa Parks, but you'll need to go to the back of the bus because of your political speech."

 

[FerrelGeek]

Eskimospy: They will reap the consequences.

You: They should fear no consequences?

Why are you acting like he said the opposite of what he actually said?

I'm just making sure all points are clarified. My whole point through this thread is that if we take the point that the opinion may carry consequences, then so be it as long as it is enforced equally. Sheik got my point. I'm just digging a bit deeper here to see what people think when the lines between opinion and civil rights get thin. It's in that area that the attempt to let someone have the consequences for their opinion might blow up in their face even though that wasn't even remotely their intent.

As for my view, if someone doesn't want my business because of a stance I make (or because I'm a straight white guy), fine, you don't get my money and I'll make sure that my family and friends know what happened and give them the choice to not patronize the place. You see, I also believe that the owner can face the consequences for their opinions as well. Fairness all around, sir. 🙂

 

[Painman]

It probably felt just as good for righties when GWB created the Gitmo prison, too. They believed in it right away.

The fact remains that believing in Trump is believing in bigotry whether the believer knows it or not. Expecting not to be called out for it is foolishness.

>Implying I'm a Trump supporter

 

[fskimospy]

Great, and since what 95% of blacks are Democrats that works out pretty tidily.

I encourage them to try that and see what happens! Again you act like those sort of excuses haven't been tried in the past. Judges aren't as stupid as you seem to think they are.

 

[glenn1]

I encourage them to try that and see what happens! Again you act like those sort of excuses haven't been tried in the past. Judges aren't as stupid as you seem to think they are.

Yes, I realize your expectation is that this will only be applied against what you consider to be the "correct" set of terrible opinions, but in real life we know how that works.

 

[Pens1566]

OP is a moron, and apparently not the only one in this thread. The owner is well within their rights. It always amazes me what people on here get confused when it comes to issues like this.

 

[TheGardener]

thread title is incorrect:

Should be "restaurant refused to serve racist, self centered asshole" 😉

oh and posting in a TH thread.

Hope the tug jobs are going well for you.

I guess that equal protection under the law thing should be universally thrown out. In your world having separate water fountains is a good thing. And to think that Martin Luther King Jr put his life on the line, so people like you could take us back 50 years.

 

[TheGardener]

OP is a moron, and apparently not the only one in this thread. The owner is well within their rights. It always amazes me what people on here get confused when it comes to issues like this.

Gee that not what liberals were complaining about when a Philly restaurateur put up a sign saying he refused to serve anyone not speaking English. Funny thing though, he served them anyway.

There are laws for people. Then there's laws for Hillary. I guess you must be one of the lucky connected people. Funny how the Conservatives here espouse equality, and the Liberals here really only want equality for people they deem acceptable.

 

[Jhhnn]

OP is a moron, and apparently not the only one in this thread. The owner is well within their rights. It always amazes me what people on here get confused when it comes to issues like this.

They're not confused, just dishonest.

 

[raildogg]

As always, some animals are just more equal than others. Had she been wearing a gay pride shirt and hat, it would be a hate crime to throw her out.

Either we have laws requiring public accommodation and enforce them, or we don't. But if we are to have them, then they should be enforced fairly and impartially.

This is true on many levels. There is so much hypocrisy in our "culture" that one can't keep up.

The PC "culture" has become tyrannical in many ways, TBH.

 

[werepossum]

The 14th amendment applies to the government, not private business. It has nothing to do with this.

Hmm, let's see what the Amendment says.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

There are laws requiring businesses to serve protected classes. Those laws provide zero protection against the exact same discrimination for those outside those protected classes. That is exactly the same as claiming that gay people weren't being discriminated against because straight people couldn't marry someone of the same sex either.

Yep, who do you think will make greater use of fskimospy's "opinion = no service", people righteously refusing service to some Trump supporter, or bigots using it to wholesale deny service to blacks, gays, and any other targeted group? For every baker that you force to make a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage there will be hundreds of blacks being turned away not because of their race but instead for their "opinions." Which opinion doesn't even really matter. Hell, something like "nice weather today isn't it?" is an opinion.

You'd think that's what would happen, but in fact we're simply moving toward a society where the law means different things for different people. Honestly, that's how we started. All men are created equal - but not you, you're colored. We had a brief fling flirting with actually living up to our professed ideals; that's now long over.

This is true on many levels. There is so much hypocrisy in our "culture" that one can't keep up.

The PC "culture" has become tyrannical in many ways, TBH.

Amen, brother. It's like we have to discriminate against someone, for some reason, or we'll burst.

 

[agent00f]

Hmm, let's see what the Amendment says.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

There are laws requiring businesses to serve protected classes. Those laws provide zero protection against the exact same discrimination for those outside those protected classes. That is exactly the same as claiming that gay people weren't being discriminated against because straight people couldn't marry someone of the same sex either.


You'd think that's what would happen, but in fact we're simply moving toward a society where the law means different things for different people. Honestly, that's how we started. All men are created equal - but not you, you're colored. We had a brief fling flirting with actually living up to our professed ideals; that's now long over.


Amen, brother. It's like we have to discriminate against someone, for some reason, or we'll burst.

The protected classes were created as a reaction to systemic crimes of discrimination.

Always funny though when the people who were/are all for discriminating against others cry like a little bitch when they experience slightest bit themselves.

 

[woolfe9998]

This case and the tow truck case - tbh given how divisive our political culture is these days, I'm surprised we haven't heard more anecdotes of this nature. And I'll be surprised if we don't hear about more in the future. IMO both cases are a tempest in a teapot. They don't prove much of anything, or matter much at all. IMO of course.

 

[MongGrel]

>Invoking Hitler

...And I want you to think about WHERE you blew it.

In a thread about public accommodation.

Fail

"I'm sorry Ms. Rosa Parks, but you'll need to go to the back of the bus because of your political speech."

More Fail, for several reasons

OP is a *****, and apparently not the only one in this thread. The owner is well within their rights. It always amazes me what people on here get confused when it comes to issues like this.

Some people just seem clueless on many issues, of course.

 

[agent00f]

The circumstances are obviously not equivalent to segregation, but segregation-minded sorts lack the perspective to grasp that.

The equivalent to this would be a white business refusing service to someone wearing a "white people are rapists and we want a wall to separate them" t-shirt. If the message of a customer's manner of dress clearly offends the owners, they have every right to refuse service.

 

[umbrella39]

OP is a moron, and apparently not the only one in this thread. The owner is well within their rights. It always amazes me what people on here get confused when it comes to issues like this.

Yep, though it hasn't stopped some desperate flailing attempts to create false equivalences and bullshit but, but, but Hillary tripe. Again, political affiliation is not a protected class no matter how badly the usual suspects here are trying to claim that if a Hillary supporter was denied things would be different. This is why they are low information fucktards...

 

[Texashiker]

Hey Whats up TH? How are the pooches (Dogs)

They are doing great. Well fed and fully vaccinated.

The 14th amendment applies to the government, not private business. It has nothing to do with this.

Eskimospy?

 

[IronWing]

Eskimospy?

Turns out that he wasn't really an Eskimo spy.

Fanatical Meat, on the other hand, is the real McCoy.