Research shows that worshipped World War 2 hero orchestrated Genocide

[Infohawk]

have you heard of Burma. There is no fucking way the japanese could have brought in their artillery and heavy weapons through the maze of forests, swamps and rivers and attacked India, yet that fucker Churchill bought all the food from the market, shipped all the food to the UK that was produced in Bengal [It was a bumper harvest that year] and yet 4 million people died according t British estimates.

just fyi, the germans built massive barges and were ready to Invade when they reduced the RAF to dust. The dumbass Hitler made Goerring shift to attacking cities instead of RAF airfields. you dont know your history. Go read a basic WW2 history book.

I do know my history which is why I know very few forces have successfully invaded Britain. Just because you saw a Discovery documentary on Operation Sealion doesn't mean it was actually ever a threat. And again, Churchill sacrificed Londoners too as part of a bigger strategy.

 

[freegeeks]

have you heard of Burma. There is no fucking way the japanese could have brought in their artillery and heavy weapons through the maze of forests, swamps and rivers and attacked India, yet that fucker Churchill bought all the food from the market, shipped all the food to the UK that was produced in Bengal [It was a bumper harvest that year] and yet 4 million people died according t British estimates.

just fyi, the germans built massive barges and were ready to Invade when they reduced the RAF to dust. The dumbass Hitler made Goerring shift to attacking cities instead of RAF airfields. you dont know your history. Go read a basic WW2 history book.

which book did you read? The Germans did not built massive barges. most of their invasion fleet where unpowered river barges that had to be towed and could only be used if the Channel was really calm. There was not only the RAF but also the Home Fleet that would steam into the channel and coastal artillery. Most military historians agree that operation sealion was a dud, even if the Germans would had some kind of air superiority. They simple didn't had the naval resources to do a large invasion.

 

[CanOWorms]

Imagine that, Churchill put Britain first during a time of full scale world war and impending invasion by a foreign power. OH NOES!!!

It's not about putting Britain first. It's about his racial prejudices and his thwarting of plans and attempts to stop the famine.

In addition, the British were foreign, invading power in their colonies.

 

[CanOWorms]

War is hell!

I dont believe it is a good thing to starve people to death. Maybe the British mistreated lots of people living in colonial areas.

Remember that the British were almost bombed to death by Germany. Bombs fell from the sky killing many innocent civilians. You have to see this in the light of reality.

During WWII the USA dropped Napalm burning many Japanese homes. It was a crude napalm, but it would still burn down existing structures. When you are fighting people who want you dead, you just need to do what is necessary. We have not had to fight a real war in a long time so you probably cant fathom what it is like. The USA has very seldom fought our enemies on our own soil. The last time this occurred in a real way is during the revolutionary war.

During war food sometimes gets scarce. Maybe they knew they would have to give up their territory and be overrun so they left no food for the Japanese. The Japanese would have stolen all the natives food and starved them to death. That is what the Japanese did in China and that is what the Japanese did in Korea. This must have been a tough decision to make. The Japanese were ruthless animals. They fed candy laced with opium to children and made toys that blew up. Never forget the brutality of the Japanese.

Food was NOT scarce. That's the issue. He was hoarding food, including for economic reasons he was planning for AFTER the war. He knew how to easily stop the genocide, requested offers to stop it, but refused to do so because of his ego and racism.

Never forget the brutality of the British.

 

[Infohawk]

Never forget the brutality of the British.

Is it true what I hear about India being a peaceful egalitarian utopia before the British invasion?

 

[CanOWorms]

COW has admitted to Indian roots?

Wow, you seem shocked that someone is not white! I have to admit it as if it's a horrible thing?

 

[cirrrocco]

I do know my history which is why I know very few forces have successfully invaded Britain. Just because you saw a Discovery documentary on Operation Sealion doesn't mean it was actually ever a threat. And again, Churchill sacrificed Londoners too as part of a bigger strategy.

Discovery Channel..hahaha good one. The vikings invaded, the norse invaded. a bunch of shitty sailors from thousands of years ago have invaded the island. It is no big feat for the germans.

Yeah he should have not given them food and killed them. That would have been the best strategy to stave off invasion. yet they lived and the UK/US were running convoys to bring in food to that shitty little island.

 

[CanOWorms]

guys and gals, you are trying to have a discussion with lunatic Canoworms and his sidekick RabidMongoose. He starts these kinds of threads all the time and if you don't 200% agree with their point of view, then they label you as a racist. This stuff has been going on for years, just do a search on his posts. They both have some weird obsession about Europe. The funny thing is that Canoworms has Indian roots and he still chooses to study and live in the equally evil country of the USA (atrocities against the Indians for example). It's not the first time that I see this kind of mentality, they glorify their "home" country as heaven on earth but when they have the chance, they will have a one-way plane ticket to one of those "evil" countries. I guess it must not be so bad here (USA or Europe) after all.....

Sorry, I don't think that if you disagree with me then you're a racist. However, people who tend to deny genocides do tend to be bigoted against the victims.

Also, what do you mean by "home" country?

Also, please don't put the USA and Europe in the same category.

 

[CanOWorms]

Well it makes perfect sense. He's obviously got some personal baggage to deal with.

Wow...

Perhaps you should consider that you have your own baggage to deal with?

 

[Infohawk]

Wow, you seem shocked that someone is not white! I have to admit it as if it's a horrible thing?

I've already said there's nothing wrong with being Indian or having Indian roots. But in your case it explains your obsession nicely. Obviously you have ancestral wounds from the British and you are unable to think about them rationally. Do you have similar issues with the Mogul invaders? (Or maybe you're Muslim?)

 

[CanOWorms]

have you heard of Burma. There is no fucking way the japanese could have brought in their artillery and heavy weapons through the maze of forests, swamps and rivers and attacked India, yet that fucker Churchill bought all the food from the market, shipped all the food to the UK that was produced in Bengal [It was a bumper harvest that year] and yet 4 million people died according t British estimates.

just fyi, the germans built massive barges and were ready to Invade when they reduced the RAF to dust. The dumbass Hitler made Goerring shift to attacking cities instead of RAF airfields. you dont know your history. Go read a basic WW2 history book.

Brown people are just worth less than white people in their mind. That's what it really boils down to.

 

[Infohawk]

Discovery Channel..hahaha good one. The vikings invaded, the norse invaded. a bunch of shitty sailors from thousands of years ago have invaded the island. It is no big feat for the germans.

Yeah he should have not given them food and killed them. That would have been the best strategy to stave off invasion. yet they lived and the UK/US were running convoys to bring in food to that shitty little island.

Apparently it was a big feat for the Germans! They didn't do it in WW1 or WW2. LOL. And you calling Britain a shitty little island obviously speaks to your bias. And if the UK is a shitty little island that doesn't say much for the countries they invaded.

 

[CanOWorms]

Is it true what I hear about India being a peaceful egalitarian utopia before the British invasion?

No, but it did have a bigger economy with respect to the world, had a higher life expectancy, experienced less famines, etc. It could be a utopia compared to what the British brought since they were so extreme, but not a utopia compared to other situations.

Is it true what I hear about the British bringing a peaceful egalitarian utopia to so-called savages?

 

[Infohawk]

Is it true what I hear about the British bringing a peaceful egalitarian utopia to so-called savages?

It must kill you that the USA was primarily founded by the British...

 

[CanOWorms]

I've already said there's nothing wrong with being Indian or having Indian roots. But in your case it explains your obsession nicely. Obviously you have ancestral wounds from the British and you are unable to think about them rationally. Do you have similar issues with the Mogul invaders? (Or maybe you're Muslim?)

I suggest the same for you: ancestral ties to Churchill/UK/Europe explains your obsession nicely as well, too. You take it to such an extreme that you deny a holocaust. My criticisms stimulate ancestral wounds for yourself making you unable to think about them rationally.

I have no ties to India nor do I care for the country itself. I still talk about Africa, other Asian countries, etc. quite often. It's simply coincidence and easy to talk about since there's so much scholarship coming out on the British atrocities there. I don't have Indian pride like your worship of White Power.

 

[CanOWorms]

It must kill you that the USA was primarily founded by the British...

It must kill you that the USA won independence from the British...

 

[Infohawk]

It must kill you that the USA won independence from the British...

Of course not I'm American... but I recognize that US democracy is based on Western European thought and law and was founded by Europeans. But look, it's confirmed for me that you are just a wounded little child with a simplistic view of the world. Your team (whether its India or the USA) is always right and the opposing team is always wrong.

 

[freegeeks]

It must kill you that the USA won independence from the British...

It must kill you that you are filled with all this internet rage and hatred and people here expose you for the lunatic that you are

 

[CanOWorms]

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/09/churchills-secret-war-rape-of-india.html
churchill's secret war: the rape of india during world war ii

This is a blog post with an article with some more details from the book. I don't understand how anyone can deny the genocide with some of these more detailed facts.

Winston Churchill—protector of the British Empire, loyal ally to the United States…and brutal war criminal? History often turns a blind eye to the most calamitous events, hiding heinous deeds under the guise of brilliant genius or bravery. However, once we are no longer obstructed by bias or hindsight, the ugly truth of even our most beloved historical figures is illuminated.

In Churchill’s Secret War: The British Empire and the Ravaging of India During World War II (Basic Books; August 10, 2010) Madhusree Mukerjee offers a meticulously researched account of Churchill’s questionable decisions and destructive actions that led to the death of some three million Indians during WWII. While previous accounts of the war have overlooked the famine in the Indian province of Bengal, Mukerjee sheds light on the avoidable devastation that was justified as a means to defeat the Axis powers and maintain colonial control over India. When the United Kingdom entered the Second World War in September 1939, so did India as its longtime colonial claim. A common imperialistic theme, the British envisioned their rule abroad in South Asia as benefiting an inferior civilization.

Such entrenched condescension certainly shaped Winston Churchill’s perception of India and its people. Harboring intense racist sentiments, Churchill exclaimed to a close advisor in 1943, “I hate Indians. They are beastly people with a beastly religion.” Words aside, Churchill’s actions more than illustrated his disregard for Indian lives, as he in effect caused the death of millions by callously refusing them shipments of wheat and rice.

Due to myriad factors associated with the United Kingdom’s – and Churchill’s – wartime aspirations, adequate provisions were withheld from India in the summer and fall of 1943. While all of the contributing forces cannot be identified, Mukerjee asserts three main explanations for the UK’s inaction: · However excessive, British officials were determined to accrue 27 million tons of civilian imports for the UK during 1943. Churchill had an aversion to austerity when it came to his people, so he did not want to impose restraints on the quantity and variety of food available. He also built up the supply of provisions to protect against inevitable post-war economic shocks. ·

Churchill was also committed to maintaining a stockpile of food for the Balkans. These reserves were meant to feed the Greeks and Yugoslavs that the UK intended to liberate, so shiploads of wheat from Australia passed by famine-stricken India en route for storage.

· Ego. Churchill wanted to avoid the embarrassment of admitting to American officials that he controlled enough resources, in terms of ships and grain, to relieve a colony imperiled by hunger. Had adequate relief been sent, Mukerjee writes, it “would have proved to Americans what they had suspected all along: the British had extracted a lot more shipping than they really needed.” Regardless of the specific rationale, it is certain that some three million people died in a man-made famine.

In addition to outlining why the famine broke out, Mukerjee also provides a broader overview of India’s internal divisions along primarily religious lines, while situating the famine in the larger context of India’s fight for independence. Churchill sought to exacerbate the rift between the country’s Hindu and Muslim populations in an effort to divide and conquer, but the discord (heightened by the turmoil of war – particularly the famine) eventually led to violence that expedited the UK’s disengagement with India.

While independence was won following bloodshed, Hindu leader Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi had previously endeavored to end British rule peacefully through the Quit India campaign. On the other side, Muhammad Ali Jinnah of the Muslim League sought to establish an autonomous nation for India’s minority Muslim population – Pakistan – and achieved that end in 1947.

As Mukerjee writes, “So it was that WWII sowed the seeds both for the independence of India and for its division.” Considering the human toll of the Bengal famine and the impact that it had on India’s post-war composition, it is hard to believe that it has until now been largely overlooked by history. More shocking still is the exposure of Winston Churchill’s complicity in the death of so many Indian people. A humane and richly detailed account of this gruesome chapter in India’s history, CHURCHILL’S SECRET WAR is essential reading for anyone seeking to uncover one of history’s buried truths.

# # # ABOUT THE AUTHOR Madhusree Mukerjee won a Guggenheim fellowship to write her previous book, The Land of Naked People. She has served on the board of editors of Scientific American. She lives near Frankfurt, Germany.

Churchill's ego and racism led to the genocide.

 

[Infohawk]

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/09/churchills-secret-war-rape-of-india.html
churchill's secret war: the rape of india during world war ii

This is a blog post with an article with some more details from the book. I don't understand how anyone can deny the genocide with some of these more detailed facts.



Churchill's ego and racism led to the genocide.

Simple question: do you think this would have happened if there had been no war with Germany and Japan?

 

[CanOWorms]

Of course not I'm American... but I recognize that US democracy is based on Western European thought and law and was founded by Europeans.

Unfortunately, your loyalty seems to be for Europe over America.

I recognize that US democracy was founded on some Western European thought and law, but has changed since then to a different entity influenced by many others.

But look, it's confirmed for me that you are just a wounded little child with a simplistic view of the world. Your team (whether its India or the USA) is always right and the opposing team is always wrong.

The same to you. Only a child would deny this atrocity.

 

[cirrrocco]

Is it true what I hear about India being a peaceful egalitarian utopia before the British invasion?

yup with 25 percent of the worlds GDP. Look, no country was an utopia during the dark ages, but India and China were doing pretty well. The euro trash came in and killed people by the millions. The problem is that I dont see that in the books when I grew up. All i see is some mythical stories about how europeans dropped in there and did a lot of good things , taught the natives engrish , built roads etc etc. I dont see the negative attributes and dont see the numbers.4 million people dead and there is no mention of it in UK texts. I dont give a fuck about the 2'nd world war and yet I see stories of 6 million jews killed or how the americans saved the world and only 416,000 died. That is nothing compared to the 8.8 Million Soviet soldiers who died.. There is not a lot of difference between 4 and 6 million and it is shocking to see the alacrity with which you pass it under the carpet.

 

[CanOWorms]

It must kill you that you are filled with all this internet rage and hatred and people here expose you for the lunatic that you are

I'm still waiting for a scanned copy of your passport. You promised that like 5 years ago and I'm still waiting.

 

[CanOWorms]

Simple question: do you think this would have happened if there had been no war with Germany and Japan?

It was happening for centuries all over the world before the war with Germany and Japan. Do you really not know the history of colonialism?

 

[Infohawk]

Unfortunately, your loyalty seems to be for Europe over America.

I recognize that US democracy was founded on some Western European thought and law, but has changed since then to a different entity influenced by many others.



The same to you. Only a child would deny this atrocity.

Don't you think it's a little hypocritical when you claim other people say that non-Europeans are not real Americans, but then you question a poster's loyalty because you assume they're of European stock? Doesn't that make you a bigot?

I am American yet I already pointed out in this thread that America was founded on the genocide of the native Americans. I actually look at the facts and not just ask whether they are on my team or not.