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Rescuers reach snow cave on Mt Hood

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Originally posted by: chrisms
Originally posted by: ktehmok
Originally posted by: MX2times
Originally posted by: Fmr12B
My precious tax dollars hard at work trying to save these idiots. If these fools are found alive I hope the Govt. puts them on a monthly payment plan for this stunt!
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I have to agree w/ Fmr12B there. These idiots tried to climb a mountain in the middle of the god damn winter...If any of them live, they need to repay all the money that was pissed away searching for their sorry asses.
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Say that until you know someone who gets lost while trying to take the scenic route with their family or takes an opportunity to enjoy the outdoors. They were experienced and could've been expected to handle the conditions, but the worst happened. Your tax dollars are wasted on much worse than this.

It's so easy to say "screw them" when it is an anonymous stranger. This could happen to anyone who isn't a hermit.
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Being lost taking a scenic route is completely different than trying to a climb a mountain in the middle of December, with sub-freezing temperatures and winds blowing north of 100mph.

That's not to say I don't hope the other two are alive still. What they did though is naive at best and moronic at worst.
 
Originally posted by: rbV5
I don't think the beacons would have done much good, at least for this climber, today was the first day they actually made it to the summit. A beacon definately would have led them to the other 2 right now though.
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My point about the emergency beacons wasn't that they would've been found in that storm, my point was that it was stupid and reckless to go up there in the winter without that critical piece of equipment. The chances of getting in trouble up there are pretty good and they showed a disregard for themselves and for potential rescuers by thinking they were too good to have beacons on them.

A large part of why they've been up there as long as they have is that the rescuers didn't know where they were. They had been up on that mountain for several days before the storm hit on thursday and the rescue teams had already had a few chances to look before that. Beacons certainly would have tipped the scales in their favor in the first several days.

Edit: even if this was the first day they could get up to that elevation, they still put rescuers in extreme danger. They've been out there hunting for those guys for a week. It's dangerous work. If they knew exactly where the climbers were, they wouldn't have risked their lives searching the whole damn mountain/trail.
 
I think it's safe to say that the dead body was a result of hypothermia. Death is never pleasant and there was sufferring, but there are worse ways to go. I've had symptoms of hypothermia before and I become unable to concentrate, confused and somewhat euphoric.


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"Reports of people who have died or come close to death with hypothermia describe them as becoming colder and increasingly numb, then drifting slowly off into oblivion. Some are described as having hallucinations before becoming unconscious, others of becoming "giggly" and regressing to a child-like state.

It's always struck me that while getting cold is uncomfortable and unpleasant - there are worse ways to go...."




 
Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Edit: even if this was the first day they could get up to that elevation, they still put rescuers in extreme danger.
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But isn't that what a "rescuer" does?

If a rescuer wasn't putting themself in danger and rescuing somebody, what would they be? Unemployed.

 
Originally posted by: uberman
I think it's safe to say that the dead body was a result of hypothermia. Death is never pleasant and there was sufferring, but there are worse ways to go. I've had symptoms of hypothermia before and I become unable to concentrate, confused and somewhat euphoric.


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"Reports of people who have died or come close to death with hypothermia describe them as becoming colder and increasingly numb, then drifting slowly off into oblivion. Some are described as having hallucinations before becoming unconscious, others of becoming "giggly" and regressing to a child-like state.

It's always struck me that while getting cold is uncomfortable and unpleasant - there are worse ways to go...."
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Good Read. Thx for the Link.
 
Originally posted by: confused1234
what the climbers did in the first place was a dumb idea. it was suicidal for them to go climbing mt. hood in the middle of december, but they did it anyway. just another example of people trying to be macho and thinking there invincible. this would almost be as stupid as trying to swim a couple miles in the ocean during a hurricane
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QFMFT
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Edit: even if this was the first day they could get up to that elevation, they still put rescuers in extreme danger.
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But isn't that what a "rescuer" does?

If a rescuer wasn't putting themself in danger and rescuing somebody, what would they be? Unemployed.
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When people choose have a hobby that's inherently dangerous, without taking the steps to assure that people rescuing them will be able to find them faster and locate them (not waste time and resources searching places that they are not), they should not expect people, even rescuers who do it for a living, to endanger their own lives to save them. They knew what they got themselves into when they started this hobby. They do not have the right to cause injury or death to ANYONE just so they can get the thrill of doing something they chose to do knowing it was dangerous and potentially deadly to themselves. Playing russian roulette should endanger ONLY the one holding the gun. While it's sad that one or more of them died, these guys knowingly put themselves in this situation, knowing how dangerous the mountain is in the winter and chose not to equip themselves with the necessary basic equipment.

And why on earth would I feel sorry that a rescuer would be out of a job if people took responsibility for their dangerous hobbies and no longer needed rescuing? I mean, jesus, we pay a LOT of money when stunts like this happen and none of these guys is even from Oregon. There should be a requirement for people who do stupid crap like this to carry their own insurance policy that would reimburse the state for the money that shouldn't have needed to be spent in the first place.
 
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