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Republicans storm impeachment inquiry deposition in House intelligence hearing room

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crashtech said:
I've lived through two different impeachment scandals, and it's remarkable to me that the unprecedented nature of this inquiry gives nobody here pause. I'm convinced that everyone who has responded to me is completely sold on the necessity for secrecy, and thanks for responding. Still, I'm as troubled by the nature of the alleged malfeasance as I am by the response to it. History may indicate that it took a secret alliance of intelligence agencies and Congress to restrain an out of control POTUS, but it shouldn't be difficult for an objective mind to see that the optics of such a spectacle are less than optimal.
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I don't know why you are bothered by Democrats in the House operating under the same rules established by Republicans in the House for Benghazi
 
crashtech said:
I've lived through two different impeachment scandals, and it's remarkable to me that the unprecedented nature of this inquiry gives nobody here pause. I'm convinced that everyone who has responded to me is completely sold on the necessity for secrecy, and thanks for responding. Still, I'm as troubled by the nature of the alleged malfeasance as I am by the response to it. History may indicate that it took a secret alliance of intelligence agencies and Congress to restrain an out of control POTUS, but it shouldn't be difficult for an objective mind to see that the optics of such a spectacle are less than optimal.
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Neither of the previous 2 impeachments involved the Foreign Emoluments Clause portion of the United States Constitution either.

Edit: Why do you insist that these hearings be public when they could involve sensitive information? It's not like you can go and retroactively classify testimony that is televised to the world.
 
HomerJS said:
I don't know why you are bothered by Democrats in the House operating under the same rules established by Republicans in the House for Benghazi
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Why wouldn't such things bother a rational person? Benghazi never got my attention because it wasn't a matter of grave domestic import.
 
crashtech said:
It's not obvious that this distinction requires entirely closed-door proceedings.
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Then every investigation in this country should be out in front of the public for all to see and hear, the consequences of witnesses being murder or intimidated be damned.
 
crashtech said:
Why wouldn't such things bother a rational person? Benghazi never got my attention because it wasn't a matter of grave domestic import.
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Then perhaps you have a way to mitigate the problems highlighted by many here so there is no need for closed door hearings.

BTW - Public hearings will happen. That being said I fail to see the problem.
 
crashtech said:
Why do only they matter? What about everyone else with misgivings?
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You will have to wait until the Impeachment hearings that will begin once the investigation is completed.

Do you want District Attornies to start going before Grand Juries looking for an indictment while they are still investigating the crimes of the accused just because the case is a high profile case as well?
 
Well, I figured it would be tough to keep up with all who disagree. It's not really going to be possible to address everyone, but I appreciate the responses and I do read and think about them. Once upon a time a great empire claimed that the end justified the means, I hope our country does not follow that path. That said, true justice should be the goal of all, I'm not an enemy of that. Just a curious onlooker.
 
kage69 said:
Gaetz still dancing for Il Douche?

Seems to me some people should have been arrested there. There should be something to pay for such behavior, something more than the shame of being hypocritical jackasses.
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I bet all that really saved them from arrest was the pure shock factor of supposedly honourable high level elected officials storming in like it was normal.

Had this been a bunch of maga hat wearing tards we’d be laughing at all the tazings.
 
crashtech said:
Well, I figured it would be tough to keep up with all who disagree. It's not really going to be possible to address everyone, but I appreciate the responses and I do read and think about them. Once upon a time a great empire claimed that the end justified the means, I hope our country does not follow that path. That said, true justice should be the goal of all, I'm not an enemy of that. Just a curious onlooker.
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Unprecedented? How exactly? In both previous examples that you lived through there was a special prosecutor. Did you get incensed that you were not in those grand jury rooms? That special prosecutor than wrote a report. That report was then given to the House, who then voted on impeachment which was then sent to the Senate who started the trial. This process is not even close to be being over. After the depositions, the matter will be sent to the Judiciary committee or a Select committee of both Democrats and Republicans which will probably call the witnesses to testify in public. Then the full house will get to vote then the senate will hold a hearing where they can again call whatever witnesses they want.

You call it secret? To whom? There are Republicans on the committee as well. And ask yourself why haven't the Republicans leaked anything that's helped their cause? No, it's not because they don't leak, it's because all the testimony has been damning. So, instead they make ridiculous arguments about process.

Secondly, ask yourself, why isn't there a DOJ investigation or why hasn't been a special prosecutor been named? Do you think this warrants it?

True justice should always be the goal but a Great Empire requires an Educated people.
 
rommelrommel said:
I bet all that really saved them from arrest was the pure shock factor of supposedly honourable high level elected officials storming in like it was normal.

Had this been a bunch of maga hat wearing tards we’d be laughing at all the tazings.
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You do realize that you misspoke?? The word "honorable" was used! Any Republican who backs Trump or does Trumps bidding has no honor!! In fact asllot of those who tried to storm the hearing, drank the koolaid and as such are not responsible for their less than honorable actions!
 
JEDIYoda said:
You do realize that you misspoke?? The word "honorable" was used! Any Republican who backs Trump or does Trumps bidding has no honor!! In fact asllot of those who tried to storm the hearing, drank the koolaid and as such are not responsible for their less than honorable actions!
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hey, I did say supposedly lol
 
DarthKyrie said:
Then every investigation in this country should be out in front of the public for all to see and hear, the consequences of witnesses being murder or intimidated be damned.
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grand juries are secret for a reason, the accused can confront the accuser in the trial. same with impeachment, the house investigation is equivalent to the grand jury and the trial take place in the senate.
 
It's really something that a loudmouth POS POTUS with virtually no allies in the DC Establishment would require this. It's weird, but everyone seems to be drinking it up. Call me jaded, it smacks of some kind of weird showmanship that can more easily result in nothing because of all the secrecy. "We tried," they'll say. But the reasons for failure will remain secret?
 
dawp said:
grand juries are secret for a reason, the accused can confront the accuser in the trial. same with impeachment, the house investigation is equivalent to the grand jury and the trial take place in the senate.
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I know this and they should remain secret which was the point of that post. If you read my posts before that I was also explaining how the investigation leading up to an Impeachment hearing is like a criminal investigation. The investigation leads to going before a Grand Jury, the HoR in the case of impeachment, in order to get an indictment to bring the case to trial in a court of law, but that court is the Senate in Impeachment.
 
JEDIYoda said:
That's easy for you to say -- your not a witness!!
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I know this, please read my posts before this where I was explaining how Impeachment is similar to bringing a case to court and the person I was conversing with still insisted that it should be completely public because Trump and his followers' feels were hurt.

In other words, I wasn't the one that was implying what I wrote in the post of mine you quoted being how investigations should work just because it is a high profile investigation.
 
DarthKyrie said:
Neither of the previous 2 impeachments involved the Foreign Emoluments Clause portion of the United States Constitution either.

Edit: Why do you insist that these hearings be public when they could involve sensitive information? It's not like you can go and retroactively classify testimony that is televised to the world.
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Clarification: these are not "hearings." They are depositions.
 
DarthKyrie said:
I know this and they should remain secret which was the point of that post. If you read my posts before that I was also explaining how the investigation leading up to an Impeachment hearing is like a criminal investigation. The investigation leads to going before a Grand Jury, the HoR in the case of impeachment, in order to get an indictment to bring the case to trial in a court of law, but that court is the Senate in Impeachment.
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I realize that after posting but decided to leave it unchanged in case crashtech was still confused.
 
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